Ping Fortenberry

In article , Dave LaCourse
wrote:

Found out some details today.

We get about a ton of food each month from MEFAP (Mass Emergency Food
Availability Program), but that will soon be cutting back. The State
is already in a billion dollar deficit with more to follow. We get 14
cases of ten various items (from a list of about 20). That is from
the Lowell Food Bank which is a State run facility. We also get about
another ton of food for which we pay $0.17/pound. Our money comes
from two $5000 private grants, and about $20K from two churches, and
some money from fund raisers (auction, sponsored foot race, etc.).

The local supermarkets give us yesterday's pastries/breads, and old
fruit and vegetables which we have to package.

Our expenses are mortgage on the building, expenses for the 12 pass
van, heat and electricity, etc. Only one person is paid - the
Director and then she is only a part-time employee, and doesn't make
very much for all she has to go through each week.

Our cubbards are getting very bare because of the State's cutbacks and
a slight increase in clients.

this all sounds crazy to me. What's going on? Banks being nationalized,
people who haven't made proper provision for the future being given
handouts?

Do you want a socialist (Obama?) for your next president or don't you?
I think Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan would have been horrified
by what's happening to private banks in the US at the moment.

the market is the only thing that works. We all know that. At times,
companies fail. That's part of the normal working of the market.

Only commies want handouts to people who, let's face it, have made bad
decisions about employment or about savings. If you get rid of moral
risk (which requires that people who have made bad decisions should get
hurt) then you destroy the very market which has made our great country
wealthy.

There are a lot of people out there who hate America, and want to
destroy it. They are those who will cry fire in a crowded theatre, and
will call for handouts when there's a blip in the market.

The American way has made us rich: it requires that a few people who
have made bad choices will suffer if the majority are going to flourish
(and if those that flourish are going to be lean and fit). It also
requires that we don't hand out taxpayers' money to people who have
made bad choices.

What's happening now is socialism. If I'd known that George W Bush was
a commie, I wouldn't have voted for him last time round.

Lazarus

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
news:141020082339500453%lazaruscooke@britishlibrar y.invalid...
There are a lot of people out there who hate America, and want to
destroy it. They are those who will cry fire in a crowded theatre, and
will call for handouts when there's a blip in the market.


this group would, seemingly, include most elected officials, not to mention
about half of Wall Street. Who the hell wouldn't want private profits and
nationalized risk?

The American way has made us rich: it requires that a few people who
have made bad choices will suffer if the majority are going to flourish
(and if those that flourish are going to be lean and fit).

huh?? This sounds like a cross between Dr. Phil and Richard Simmons, with a
dose or two of blotter acid thrown in.

Tom

In article , Tom Littleton
wrote:

Who the hell wouldn't want private profits and
nationalized risk?

So how far do you take it?

Jack-booted Europeans trampling across the plains of Montana?

In many places in Europe, any bum who's voluntarily chosen NOT to take
out insurance can just roll up at a hospital, and get treated for tens
of thousands of dollars-worth of treatment paid for by hard-working
taxpayers. this is what clinton and obama are secretly trying to
impose upon us.

If poor people go without eating for a week they won't die. They may
even be healthier after a hungry weekend, and start thinking about what
jobs they're really prepared to do.

Do people like Dave de la Course want us to pay for people wh own a
television set? Why haven't they sold it?

L

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:08:44 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

Do people like Dave de la Course want us to pay for people wh own a
television set? Why haven't they sold it?

Lazarus, I am the biggest capitalist you will ever find. I am not a
bleeding heart liberal, and socialism is the worst of all the isms.

BUT, some people fall through the cracks in the floor in our country.
They receive assistance (it is some times my job to check what and how
much assistance they get), but without the food given to them at the
various food pantries in the area, they would be hungry. Is their
cheating amongst them? Bet your bippy there is. But it is not my job
to punish them for their cheating. I believe they will some day reap
what they sow. But in the mean time, I have no qualms about helping
someone who needs a hand-out, who needs help getting past a bad period
in their life, who needs just a few groceries and a warm blanket to
stave off the cold while they are homeless. You would do the same if
you saw them.

Dave

On Oct 15, 12:24*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:

I have no qualms about helping
someone who needs a hand-out, who needs help getting past a bad period
in their life, who needs just a few groceries and a warm blanket to
stave off the cold while they are homeless. *You would do the same if
you saw them.

Dave

Sorry Dave but that's socialist talk.

Are you a socialist or aren't you?

Are you American or aren't you?

L

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:49:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Oct 15, 12:24*am, Dave LaCourse wrote:

I have no qualms about helping
someone who needs a hand-out, who needs help getting past a bad period
in their life, who needs just a few groceries and a warm blanket to
stave off the cold while they are homeless. *You would do the same if
you saw them.

Dave

Sorry Dave but that's socialist talk.

Are you a socialist or aren't you?

Are you American or aren't you?

L

That's not socialist talk. That is caring for your fellow man.

And Americans have been caring about their fellow man a helluva lot in
my 71 years on this earth. We have given trillions of dollars to
undeveloped nations (oooops, sorry, make that third world nations),
our men and women have given their lives in foreign lands fighting for
others.

Dave

On Oct 15, 2:31*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:


That's not socialist talk. *That is caring for your fellow man. *

And Americans have been caring about their fellow man a helluva lot in
my 71 years on this earth. *We have given trillions of dollars to
undeveloped nations (oooops, sorry, make that third world nations),
our men and women have given their lives in foreign lands fighting for
others. *

Dave

Sad that you apparently believe that. The illegal war you started
contributed considerably to all your other problems. Even a
significant percentage of the money and resources wasted on that war,
and still being wasted as a result of it, would have solved many of
your problems with regard to your fellow citizens who are in dire
straits.

Many are still not clear that it was all about oil, and had nothing to
do with helping anybody at all.

The stupidity and arrogance of your leaders, and their willingness and
ability to manipulate you, along with your willingness to be
manipulated, or the inability to even perceive it, is what caused
your problems, and it will doubtless continue to do so.

Your problems will increase as your population increases, and there is
little doubt that your descendants will curse you.

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
news:151020080008445138%lazaruscooke@britishlibrar y.invalid...
In article , Tom Littleton
wrote:

Who the hell wouldn't want private profits and
nationalized risk?

So how far do you take it?

Jack-booted Europeans trampling across the plains of Montana?

In many places in Europe, any bum who's voluntarily chosen NOT to take
out insurance can just roll up at a hospital, and get treated for tens
of thousands of dollars-worth of treatment paid for by hard-working
taxpayers. this is what clinton and obama are secretly trying to
impose upon us.

If poor people go without eating for a week they won't die. They may
even be healthier after a hungry weekend, and start thinking about what
jobs they're really prepared to do.

Do people like Dave de la Course want us to pay for people wh own a
television set? Why haven't they sold it?

L

.....ok, Lazarus, I get the sarcasm now. I still stand by my description of
that one paragraph, but now understand the style to be intentional.
vbg Tom

Lazarus Cooke wrote:

this all sounds crazy to me. What's going on? Banks being nationalized,
people who haven't made proper provision for the future being given
handouts?

Do you want a socialist (Obama?) for your next president or don't you?
I think Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan would have been horrified
by what's happening to private banks in the US at the moment.

the market is the only thing that works. We all know that. At times,
companies fail. That's part of the normal working of the market.

Only commies want handouts to people who, let's face it, have made bad
decisions about employment or about savings. If you get rid of moral
risk (which requires that people who have made bad decisions should get
hurt) then you destroy the very market which has made our great country
wealthy.

There are a lot of people out there who hate America, and want to
destroy it. They are those who will cry fire in a crowded theatre, and
will call for handouts when there's a blip in the market.

The American way has made us rich: it requires that a few people who
have made bad choices will suffer if the majority are going to flourish
(and if those that flourish are going to be lean and fit). It also
requires that we don't hand out taxpayers' money to people who have
made bad choices.

What's happening now is socialism. If I'd known that George W Bush was
a commie, I wouldn't have voted for him last time round.

LOL !! I couldn't bring myself to snip nary a word.

A most beautiful piece of satire, sir. One of the funniest things
I've read on roff in quite awhile.

--
Ken Fortenberry