OT Joe's not a plumber

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:02:08 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must* have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

Oh, well, then, if the Toledo plumber's licensing bureau says Joe isn't
a licensed plumber and Joe isn't making over 161 grand, then that puts
an entirely different light on Obama's whole proposed taxation scheme.
See, all of those economists who've said that his plans were completely
unrealistic didn't have all the facts. But I'm sure that now that they
understand this one guy isn't actually going to be personally affected
by Obama's plans, they'll soon come around and see that Obama really
will be able to pay X amount of stuff domestically with 1/2 X dollars
while simultaneously paying off the US national debt and buying the
world a Coke and dinner at their choice of The French Laundry or Louis
XV...

Sheesh,
R

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:54:34 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:58:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"

wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
. ..
In yet another embarrassment to the McCain campaign it turns
out they didn't vet Joe the Plumber any better than they vetted
their dimbulb Veep candidate.

Joe Wurzelbacher is a registered Republican and McCain supporter
but he's not a plumber. Turns out he's the sole employee of Al
Newell who owns Newell Plumbing and Heating in Toledo, Ohio.
Joe made about $40K in 2006 according to divorce records and a
lien was slapped on his house for, get this, failure to pay
taxes.

So contrary to what that old gasbag McCain was grumping about
at the debate Joe is no danger of owning a plumbing business,
earning $250K a year or having his taxes raised by Obama.

And I haven't even mentioned this jewel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2WX2...eature=related

McCain's presidential campaign is the largest organization he
has ever tried to run. And he has screwed it up royally. It's
getting to the point now where I hope he can just slip quietly
away and keep a shred of dignity intact.

--
Ken Fortenberry

How many plumbers and carpenters are licensed? Very few. If he is
working
for a licensed contractor, he does not need a license. If the jobs are
less
than $400 in most states, even the ower does not need a contractors
license.

Looks like you are wrong...and here's a source that you'll believe ;-)

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...er-owes-taxes/

I am not wrong. You do not need a contractors license to owe back taxes.
And you do not need a license to be a plumber if you work for another
person, who should have a license if he bids jobs over $500. He may or
may
not be a journeyman plumber. Depends on his skills.
http://www.cslb.ca.gov/GeneralInformation/FAQs/
Is the Calif state contractors license board. If you are going to bid a
big
job, you should get a contractors license. Not that hard. If you have
the
experience requirement, and sign up with Contractors License Schools and
they will teach you to pass the tests. About $500 and you have to post a
$2k bond.

Amazing. Assuming you actually read what was at the link I provided - from
your favorite/only news source - you clearly failed to comprehend it.

"Joe The Plumber" (who isn't actually Joe - or a plumber - or in any
position
to actually buy his boss's business) does not live in California. Your
local
regulations don't apply, and the local regulations stipulate he *must*
have a
license to work as a plumber or an apprentice plumber where he lives in
Toledo.

So, you are wrong.

/daytripper

I read the article. Some guy says he has to be licensed apprentice or
journeyman. What license is that? Is every carpenter licensed? Calif is
very strict on licenses and if you are an employee of a licensed
constractor, you work under his license. Maybe Ohio is even more in the
pocket of the construction unions.

On Oct 20, 12:29*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Well that is bull****. Most of the actual physical work of plumbing on
commercial, and much residential in California is done by illegals,
right out in the open. A journeyman for example carries a spraycan of
paint. Everywhere he paints a red spot gets drilled with a certain
sized hole, everywhere green, another pipe size. An illegal with the
right size drill bit comes along and drills the hole. Pipe pulling,
cutting etc is organized similarly to make use of unskilled, bargain
wages illegal labor. Its different, ie regulated, in San Francisco/
Bay Area to a large extent.

Bill, you just must not get out much. Electrical work is usually
organized in the same way to use illegal immigrant labor. Unless
things have changed in the last year or so, it would be false to say
that California restricted work to licenced plumbers, quite the
opposite.

Dave

"DaveS" wrote in message
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On Oct 20, 12:29 am, "Calif Bill" wrote:

Well that is bull****. Most of the actual physical work of plumbing on
commercial, and much residential in California is done by illegals,
right out in the open. A journeyman for example carries a spraycan of
paint. Everywhere he paints a red spot gets drilled with a certain
sized hole, everywhere green, another pipe size. An illegal with the
right size drill bit comes along and drills the hole. Pipe pulling,
cutting etc is organized similarly to make use of unskilled, bargain
wages illegal labor. Its different, ie regulated, in San Francisco/
Bay Area to a large extent.

Bill, you just must not get out much. Electrical work is usually
organized in the same way to use illegal immigrant labor. Unless
things have changed in the last year or so, it would be false to say
that California restricted work to licenced plumbers, quite the
opposite.

Dave

No it is not bullship. The journeyman or the illegal, neither need a
license. The Contractor is the one required to be licensed. Same in Ohio
http://www.com.state.oh.us/dic/diclicreq.htm

I was the one who said Joe did not require a license, as he supposedly
worked for a licensed Contractor.