And no, it isn't maudlin...

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
I really wanted to believe in the promise of Obama, ...
Why are you insulting us ? Do you really think anyone
here is stupid enough to believe that nonsense ?

Sheesh.

Hmmm...I asked every Obama supporter I know, and I know a fair amount,
to give me a pitch, and to a person, including those here on ROFF, I got
nothing but parroting of Obama's claims. ...

Bull****. You were given plenty, you just refused to listen
to any of it. This silly, non-partisan nonsense you peddle
here is just a stale old comedy routine. I'm not laughing.

And to top it off, the guy who claims to able to put the financial
system back on track just spent !!__600 mil__!! of OPM to attempt to win
a job that, had he been anything remotely close to "the real deal," he
should have been able to have for the asking.

Yeah right, a black guy asks politely, "Can I be your next president ?"
and the whole country rises up and acclaims it so. Done deal. How'd
that work out down there in Mississippi ? LOL !! As for the 600 mil,
that's less than Americans spend in a year on potato chips. And the
average Obama donation per person who donated was $87. Small change
indeed to run the rat****ers off.

Plus, given his positive
media coverage, even a "sorta-kinda deal" should have had this thing
completely sewn up 15 minutes after the GOP convention.

Hope and change, my ass,

Tee hee. You sound positively perturbed. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:43:17 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
I really wanted to believe in the promise of Obama, ...
Why are you insulting us ? Do you really think anyone
here is stupid enough to believe that nonsense ?

Sheesh.

Hmmm...I asked every Obama supporter I know, and I know a fair amount,
to give me a pitch, and to a person, including those here on ROFF, I got
nothing but parroting of Obama's claims. ...

Bull****. You were given plenty, you just refused to listen
to any of it. This silly, non-partisan nonsense you peddle
here is just a stale old comedy routine. I'm not laughing.

OK. Rub my nose in it. Quote your previous posts where you cited
objective "_facts and figures_" as to why any claim by Obama is the
clearly correct position.

And to top it off, the guy who claims to able to put the financial
system back on track just spent !!__600 mil__!! of OPM to attempt to win
a job that, had he been anything remotely close to "the real deal," he
should have been able to have for the asking.

Yeah right, a black guy asks politely, "Can I be your next president ?"
and the whole country rises up and acclaims it so.

The whole country, huh? In his and your wildest wet dreams, he _might_
get 1/3 of the whole country merely voting for him, and he'll be lucky
if 10% of it is as blindly partisan as you are. Hell, his surrogates
are already lowering expectations on what he'll do and who he'll do it
for (and no, the 250K to 200k to 120K shtick isn't the only thing to
which I refer).

Done deal. How'd that work out down there in Mississippi ? LOL !!

Yeah, that's real non-partisan, bring-the-country-together just oozing
all over...and that's yet another reason I've decided what I have about
Obama, and I can tell you that _many_ others, black and white, and
reached the same conclusion. The whole arrogant, self-absorbed attitude
of Obama and many of his supporters. I find it pretty funny when snotty
"liberals" think nothing of disparaging decent people they perceive as
somehow inferior, yet get all a-tizzy and start screaming "RACIST!" if
someone else disparages "a person of color"...

As for the 600 mil,
that's less than Americans spend in a year on potato chips.

Oh, well, then, that makes it OK...

And the
average Obama donation per person who donated was $87.

Non sequitur. IAC, the "average donation size" is meaningless without
knowing the _accurate_ mins, maxs, and numbers. Under your example, if
he only took a few bribes disguised as contributions and a whole bunch
of $5.00 donations, all would be well.

Small change indeed to run the rat****ers off.

Oh, has he pledged to not accept the job if elected? He is a rat****er,
he's just riding in on a bunch of jackasses rather than an elephant...

Plus, given his positive
media coverage, even a "sorta-kinda deal" should have had this thing
completely sewn up 15 minutes after the GOP convention.

Hope and change, my ass,

Tee hee. You sound positively perturbed. ;-)

Nope, because like I've said several times, no matter who wins, I'll do
just fine, and unlike hypocrites like your boy, I don't make nonsensical
claims about how I put everything and everyone before my family and
myself - I freely admit that, while I would much rather help all I can,
whomever I can, if it comes down to it, it's family and friends first,
and nothing but a sincere "good luck" to the rest.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Hmmm...I asked every Obama supporter I know, and I know a fair amount,
to give me a pitch, and to a person, including those here on ROFF, I got
nothing but parroting of Obama's claims. ...
Bull****. You were given plenty, you just refused to listen
to any of it. This silly, non-partisan nonsense you peddle
here is just a stale old comedy routine. I'm not laughing.

OK. Rub my nose in it. Quote your previous posts where you cited
objective "_facts and figures_" as to why any claim by Obama is the
clearly correct position.

You want me to proclaim Obama the messiah ? If the only pitch
anyone could give you which would be convincing is that *any*
claim by Obama is the *clearly correct position*, then yeah,
roff has failed you. Nobody ever claimed any such thing, but
you were given volumes explaining why many of us consider Obama
the best candidate left in the race.

And to top it off, the guy who claims to able to put the financial
system back on track just spent !!__600 mil__!! of OPM to attempt to win
a job that, had he been anything remotely close to "the real deal," he
should have been able to have for the asking.
Yeah right, a black guy asks politely, "Can I be your next president ?"
and the whole country rises up and acclaims it so.

The whole country, huh? In his and your wildest wet dreams, he _might_
get 1/3 of the whole country merely voting for him, and he'll be lucky
if 10% of it is as blindly partisan as you are.

So, it's a damn good thing he ran such an organized, well-disciplined,
brilliant campaign. I though you said he shouldn't have had to
run a campaign at all. Are you flipping or flopping ? ;-)

Done deal. How'd that work out down there in Mississippi ? LOL !!

Yeah, that's real non-partisan, bring-the-country-together just oozing
all over...and that's yet another reason I've decided what I have about
Obama, and I can tell you that _many_ others, black and white, and
reached the same conclusion.

I have never claimed to be non-partisan. I'm a partisan Democrat
and it would be extremely silly for me to claim otherwise. And when
the votes are counted and Mississippi goes for Obama I will ooze
apologies to the good folks of Mississippi from my ice bound winter
home in Hades.

Hope and change, my ass,
Tee hee. You sound positively perturbed. ;-)

Nope, because like I've said several times, no matter who wins, I'll do
just fine, and unlike hypocrites like your boy, I don't make nonsensical
claims about how I put everything and everyone before my family and
myself - I freely admit that, while I would much rather help all I can,
whomever I can, if it comes down to it, it's family and friends first,
and nothing but a sincere "good luck" to the rest.

Ah, a Libertarian. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:38:45 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Hmmm...I asked every Obama supporter I know, and I know a fair amount,
to give me a pitch, and to a person, including those here on ROFF, I got
nothing but parroting of Obama's claims. ...
Bull****. You were given plenty, you just refused to listen
to any of it. This silly, non-partisan nonsense you peddle
here is just a stale old comedy routine. I'm not laughing.

OK. Rub my nose in it. Quote your previous posts where you cited
objective "_facts and figures_" as to why any claim by Obama is the
clearly correct position.

You want me to proclaim Obama the messiah ? If the only pitch
anyone could give you which would be convincing is that *any*
claim by Obama is the *clearly correct position*, then yeah,
roff has failed you. Nobody ever claimed any such thing, but
you were given volumes explaining why many of us consider Obama
the best candidate left in the race.

Again, cite any post of yours in which you provided objective _facts and
figures_. Hell, until I corrected you, you liked to tout the "fact"
that he was "the editor" of the Harvard Law Review, which you somehow
decided made him a good choice for POTUS. Hell, Antonin Scalia and John
Roberts were editors, too, so naturally, they are, in your mind, among
the great Supreme Court justices...BTW, Ginsberg and IIRC, either or
both of Breyer and Souter were also editors.

You also touted his legal ability, when in fact, even a merely competent
non-partner-track associate at a moderate civil firm would have had more
legal experience in a year or two than he has had in nearly 15 years
since law school.

Further, you give no importance to Wright - if he's so "on top of
things," give a reasonable defense to Obama being _very_ closely
associated with him for 20 years and calling Wright his spiritual
advisor up until the moment after the **** hit the fan with the videos.

And then, there's the whole public campaign funds lie. He said he'd go
the public funds route and then, when he realized he was better off
without them, he promptly declined. And that isn't a case of a changing
positions in a matter of national interest because of new and better
information, it was a matter of changing positions because it was better
for Obama.

And to top it off, the guy who claims to able to put the financial
system back on track just spent !!__600 mil__!! of OPM to attempt to win
a job that, had he been anything remotely close to "the real deal," he
should have been able to have for the asking.
Yeah right, a black guy asks politely, "Can I be your next president ?"
and the whole country rises up and acclaims it so.

The whole country, huh? In his and your wildest wet dreams, he _might_
get 1/3 of the whole country merely voting for him, and he'll be lucky
if 10% of it is as blindly partisan as you are.

So, it's a damn good thing he ran such an organized, well-disciplined,
brilliant campaign.

Horse****. He ran a spendthrift, wasteful and pandering campaign
designed solely to con those he could and damage those he couldn't. Like
I said, he's just another Clinton...the really sad thing is that many
will see that as a good thing.

I though you said he shouldn't have had to
run a campaign at all. Are you flipping or flopping ? ;-)

I didn't say he shouldn't have had to run a campaign, I said that if he
was anything remotely close to what you (and he) seem to think he is, he
wouldn't have needed 600 mil of OPM...it costs a whole lot more to sell
stuff to folks when the product isn't worth a **** - ask GM...

Done deal. How'd that work out down there in Mississippi ? LOL !!

Yeah, that's real non-partisan, bring-the-country-together just oozing
all over...and that's yet another reason I've decided what I have about
Obama, and I can tell you that _many_ others, black and white, and
reached the same conclusion.

I have never claimed to be non-partisan. I'm a partisan Democrat
and it would be extremely silly for me to claim otherwise. And when
the votes are counted and Mississippi goes for Obama I will ooze
apologies to the good folks of Mississippi from my ice bound winter
home in Hades.

Here's the funny thing - I know lots of folks throughout the South, and
of all races/skin colors, that would have voted for a decent Democrat
and, like me, would have truly loved to see an Obama that lived up to
even just most of the hype. Unfortunately, he doesn't come remotely
close. Hell, I know a lot of middle-aged and older black folks that are
voting McCain because Chuck Taylor (a white Dem) didn't support Obama
(or McCain, either) and for them, basically, a decent old white man that
they feel they know is better than "some uppity-assed Northern oreo that
seems like a real shuck-n-jiver" that don't...granted, you see a lot of
blacks who are supporting Obama based on his skin, but for me, that's
just as racist and wrong as NOT voting for him because of his skin.

Hope and change, my ass,
Tee hee. You sound positively perturbed. ;-)

Nope, because like I've said several times, no matter who wins, I'll do
just fine, and unlike hypocrites like your boy, I don't make nonsensical
claims about how I put everything and everyone before my family and
myself - I freely admit that, while I would much rather help all I can,
whomever I can, if it comes down to it, it's family and friends first,
and nothing but a sincere "good luck" to the rest.

Ah, a Libertarian. ;-)

Nope, a realist.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
You want me to proclaim Obama the messiah ? If the only pitch
anyone could give you which would be convincing is that *any*
claim by Obama is the *clearly correct position*, then yeah,
roff has failed you. Nobody ever claimed any such thing, but
you were given volumes explaining why many of us consider Obama
the best candidate left in the race.

Again, cite any post of yours in which you provided objective _facts and
figures_. Hell, until I corrected you, you liked to tout the "fact"
that he was "the editor" of the Harvard Law Review, which you somehow
decided made him a good choice for POTUS.

What is it that you think you "corrected" ? Obama was the president
of the _Law Review_ which made him "the" editor-in-chief with
supervisory responsibility over the entire staff of editors. And
I didn't tout that as reason enough to make him president only
reason enough to assume that he's way smarter than that moron
Sarah Palin.

You want "facts and figures" ? Well, go ahead and cite some. Why
on earth are you voting for the "realist" candidate.

--
Ken Fortenberry