DJIA up sharply, anticipating Obama victory

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:45:45 -0800, rw
wrote:


The free market has spoken. :-) If McCain wins watch it drop.


If Obama wins, with his tax **** including more taxes on capital
gains, watch the Dow drop. Who the hell wants to invest if the gov is
going to take more money from you. The raise in today's market has
absolutely nothing to do with the election. I mean, even an asshole
like you should know that...... well, on second thought, perhaps not.

Idiot!

SPROING!

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Nov 4, 1:34*pm, rw wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:45:45 -0800, rw
wrote:

The free market has spoken. :-) If McCain wins watch it drop.

If Obama wins, with his tax **** including more taxes on capital
gains, watch the Dow drop. *Who the hell wants to invest if the gov is
going to take more money from you. *The raise in today's market has
absolutely nothing to do with the election. *I mean, even an asshole
like you should know that...... well, on second thought, perhaps not.

Idiot!

SPROING!

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Actually I think with the Democrats in power, with their superior
policies, prosperity is just around the corner. I volunteer at my
local Chamber. You know, passing out drinks, office supplies, etc and
9 out of 10 tell me that the Republicans have treated them like ****.
Most say they feel a lot better with the Ds at the helm, you know,
steering a true course.

Dave

On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, DaveS wrote:

prosperity is just around the corner.

If that's so, then IMO it's a looooong corner...

I don't envy the people who win their elections. They will face
monumental challenges. From the prez right down to the new school
board member who is finding out the district is heavily invested in
CDOs. I think we are living right now in "history" unlike any since
WWII. We should all pray that those elected will be up to the task and
will honorably attack the great challenges ahead. If they don't, if it
ends up as petty politics as usual, or worse, then God help us all...

Jon.

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, DaveS wrote:

prosperity is just around the corner.

If that's so, then IMO it's a looooong corner...

I don't envy the people who win their elections. They will face
monumental challenges. From the prez right down to the new school
board member who is finding out the district is heavily invested in
CDOs. I think we are living right now in "history" unlike any since
WWII. We should all pray that those elected will be up to the task and
will honorably attack the great challenges ahead. If they don't, if it
ends up as petty politics as usual, or worse, then God help us all...

Jon.

Wish I had said that. Thanks, Jon.

I love this country dearly. I hope and pray for her prosperity and
safety. I hope and pray that the discord, the disharmony of the last
eight years will end. I have never experienced as much hate from my
fellow citizens except when in uniform during the 60s.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:


On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, DaveS wrote:


prosperity is just around the corner.

If that's so, then IMO it's a looooong corner...

I don't envy the people who win their elections. They will face
monumental challenges. From the prez right down to the new school
board member who is finding out the district is heavily invested in
CDOs. I think we are living right now in "history" unlike any since
WWII. We should all pray that those elected will be up to the task and
will honorably attack the great challenges ahead. If they don't, if it
ends up as petty politics as usual, or worse, then God help us all...

Jon.


Wish I had said that. Thanks, Jon.

I love this country dearly. I hope and pray for her prosperity and
safety. I hope and pray that the discord, the disharmony of the last
eight years will end. I have never experienced as much hate from my
fellow citizens except when in uniform during the 60s.

Dave



strident disagreement and principled argument does not equal hate dave...

unfortunately, our culture has become one mired in blame and namecalling
- especially our political culture. nc's own jesse helms and his
brigade of ****stirrers are largely to blame, but so are each of us who
has allowed our human weakness, shallowness, and selfishness to win out
over our ability to think and care about our fellow citizens.

this is a monumentally historic moment and election...i'm not sure many
have really appreciated the uniqueness of this election, despite the
record turnout.

jeff

On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:57:02 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:


On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, DaveS wrote:


prosperity is just around the corner.

If that's so, then IMO it's a looooong corner...

I don't envy the people who win their elections. They will face
monumental challenges. From the prez right down to the new school
board member who is finding out the district is heavily invested in
CDOs. I think we are living right now in "history" unlike any since
WWII. We should all pray that those elected will be up to the task and
will honorably attack the great challenges ahead. If they don't, if it
ends up as petty politics as usual, or worse, then God help us all...

Jon.


Wish I had said that. Thanks, Jon.

I love this country dearly. I hope and pray for her prosperity and
safety. I hope and pray that the discord, the disharmony of the last
eight years will end. I have never experienced as much hate from my
fellow citizens except when in uniform during the 60s.

Dave



strident disagreement and principled argument does not equal hate dave...

unfortunately, our culture has become one mired in blame and namecalling
- especially our political culture. nc's own jesse helms and his
brigade of ****stirrers are largely to blame, but so are each of us who
has allowed our human weakness, shallowness, and selfishness to win out
over our ability to think and care about our fellow citizens.

this is a monumentally historic moment and election...i'm not sure many
have really appreciated the uniqueness of this election, despite the
record turnout.

jeff

Congrats, Jeff. Let us now hope that no gun toting nut kills Obama.
The thought of Biden as potus is a scarey one.

Again, Congrats. I can live with the results. My big loss, however,
is that a dear friend, Sonny Parente lost his bid to the Massachusetts
House. He would have made a great rep.

Take care.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:57:02 -0500, jeff miller
wrote:


Dave LaCourse wrote:


On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:21:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:



On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, DaveS wrote:



prosperity is just around the corner.

If that's so, then IMO it's a looooong corner...

I don't envy the people who win their elections. They will face
monumental challenges. From the prez right down to the new school
board member who is finding out the district is heavily invested in
CDOs. I think we are living right now in "history" unlike any since
WWII. We should all pray that those elected will be up to the task and
will honorably attack the great challenges ahead. If they don't, if it
ends up as petty politics as usual, or worse, then God help us all...

Jon.


Wish I had said that. Thanks, Jon.

I love this country dearly. I hope and pray for her prosperity and
safety. I hope and pray that the discord, the disharmony of the last
eight years will end. I have never experienced as much hate from my
fellow citizens except when in uniform during the 60s.

Dave



strident disagreement and principled argument does not equal hate dave...

unfortunately, our culture has become one mired in blame and namecalling
- especially our political culture. nc's own jesse helms and his
brigade of ****stirrers are largely to blame, but so are each of us who
has allowed our human weakness, shallowness, and selfishness to win out
over our ability to think and care about our fellow citizens.

this is a monumentally historic moment and election...i'm not sure many
have really appreciated the uniqueness of this election, despite the
record turnout.

jeff


Congrats, Jeff. Let us now hope that no gun toting nut kills Obama.
The thought of Biden as potus is a scarey one.

Again, Congrats. I can live with the results. My big loss, however,
is that a dear friend, Sonny Parente lost his bid to the Massachusetts
House. He would have made a great rep.

Take care.

Dave



thanks...but i did nothing to garner congrats. i think we all won on
this one. it's going to be interesting.

jeff

On Nov 4, 6:57*pm, jeff miller wrote:
strident disagreement and principled argument does not equal hate dave...

unfortunately, our culture has become one mired in blame and namecalling
- especially our political culture. *nc's own jesse helms and his
brigade of ****stirrers are largely to blame, but so are each of us who
has allowed our human weakness, shallowness, and selfishness to win out
over our ability to think and care about our fellow citizens.

this is a monumentally historic moment and election...i'm not sure many
have really appreciated the uniqueness of this election, despite the
record turnout.


There's a lot of blame to go around; but I'd lay a lot of it on the
traditional media in general and the right wing talk show hosts in
particular. I've even seen it spill into at least one political
blog. It is unfortunate that controversy sells advertising. Whether
it's circulation, Neilson ratings, or site hits, hate sells. There's
no profit in being calm, reasonable, and intelligent.

To be sure, many of these attitudes were pre-existing conditions; but
it is imho a disturbingly dark spot on the media and those who profit
from it that so much effort was spent in tearing down candidates and
their supporters and so little on an unbiased examination of the
issues.

While I understand that my personal bias makes me see the Obama
victory from a particular pov, I nonetheless agree that it is a
monumentally different election both for it's cultural aspect as well
as its rejection of the negative politics of Lee A****er and Karl
Rove. Despite despicably vile accusations of being unpatriotic, anti-
American, terrorist sympathizer, Muslim extremist, and a dozen other
smears, Sen. Obama held firm to a message of hope and progress and
encouraging all Americans to see the best in each other, not the
worst. That such a message could succeed when delivered by a black
man in America transcends the mere fact that he is the first African-
American POTUS candidate.

I surely know that many here and in real life disagree with me; but
last night was a great moment for this country. It could, if the
lessons are learned, show us a new way forward in the way we interact
with each other politically, socially, and personally. I'm damned
proud of my country this morning.

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:03:57 -0800 (PST), rb608
wrote:

On Nov 4, 6:57*pm, jeff miller wrote:
strident disagreement and principled argument does not equal hate dave...

unfortunately, our culture has become one mired in blame and namecalling
- especially our political culture. *nc's own jesse helms and his
brigade of ****stirrers are largely to blame, but so are each of us who
has allowed our human weakness, shallowness, and selfishness to win out
over our ability to think and care about our fellow citizens.

this is a monumentally historic moment and election...i'm not sure many
have really appreciated the uniqueness of this election, despite the
record turnout.


There's a lot of blame to go around; but I'd lay a lot of it on the
traditional media in general and the right wing talk show hosts in
particular. I've even seen it spill into at least one political
blog. It is unfortunate that controversy sells advertising. Whether
it's circulation, Neilson ratings, or site hits, hate sells. There's
no profit in being calm, reasonable, and intelligent.

To be sure, many of these attitudes were pre-existing conditions; but
it is imho a disturbingly dark spot on the media and those who profit
from it that so much effort was spent in tearing down candidates and
their supporters and so little on an unbiased examination of the
issues.

While I understand that my personal bias makes me see the Obama
victory from a particular pov, I nonetheless agree that it is a
monumentally different election both for it's cultural aspect as well
as its rejection of the negative politics of Lee A****er and Karl
Rove. Despite despicably vile accusations of being unpatriotic, anti-
American, terrorist sympathizer, Muslim extremist, and a dozen other
smears, Sen. Obama held firm to a message of hope and progress and
encouraging all Americans to see the best in each other, not the
worst. That such a message could succeed when delivered by a black
man in America transcends the mere fact that he is the first African-
American POTUS candidate.

I surely know that many here and in real life disagree with me; but
last night was a great moment for this country. It could, if the
lessons are learned, show us a new way forward in the way we interact
with each other politically, socially, and personally. I'm damned
proud of my country this morning.

Man, the echoes in here are startling!

/daytripper (or maybe they're just in my head ;-)

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:03:57 -0800 (PST), rb608
wrote:

Whether
it's circulation, Neilson ratings, or site hits, hate sells. There's
no profit in being calm, reasonable, and intelligent.

There's profit in it for Obama.

To be sure, many of these attitudes were pre-existing conditions; but
it is imho a disturbingly dark spot on the media and those who profit
from it that so much effort was spent in tearing down candidates and
their supporters and so little on an unbiased examination of the
issues.

It's not the media's fault, it's the citizen's fault. Nothing is
Bush's fault either. Everything bad that's happened to this country
is ultimately the responsibility and fault of the citizenship. I
don't mean that completely literally - I'm not trying to be
controversial by saying we brought 9/11 on ourselves. (Having said
that, Bush has created a very bad situation for us in the world.)

I laugh every time I hear someone complain about bad service, and then
buy their products from Best Buy because it has the lowest price. And
I laugh every time I hear someone complain about politicians, and then
vote based on how the politicians play the game and how the media
paints the pictures.

The National Enquirer exists for a reason.

I surely know that many here and in real life disagree with me; but
last night was a great moment for this country. It could, if the
lessons are learned, show us a new way forward in the way we interact
with each other politically, socially, and personally.

Well, I hope so.