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On Jan 1, 7:47*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Well Dave we are soon going to get to the second phase. You see when
you starve an animal, it gets angry, and then it bites. Allot of this
is about Olmert, already in legal trouble over corruption in Israel,
and condemned by combat soldier groups IN ISRAEL for the mismanagement
of the recent Israeli defeat in Lebanon at the hands of Hezbollah, so
Olmert and some others are trying to maintain the myth of Israeli
military invincibility.

Hamas has nothing in the air to take on the Israeli 300+ fighters and
ground attack planes, nor can the Arab world deter the minimum of 100
to max 400 nukes estimated the Israelis have, so Hamas' armed wing is
waiting. Hamas is in tunnels and bunkers 20 meters down, waiting for
the Israeli ground assault. They will follow the same plan that
Hezbollah developed for Lebanon.

Hamas will let the Israeli ground attack, tanks and APCs, pass, on
into the densest built-up areas, where the tanks will be in single and
double echelon. And then Hamas will use tactics like so . . . they
will cripple one of the vehicles back in the line, and then take on
the individual vehicles in detail (example, rpgs to screw up the
automated turret defense guns, then something to cook the tank etc
etc.). As the Israelis retreat/reposition Hamas will attrit them using
roadside munitions etc.. Hamas is likely to use the same cellular C&C
structure of small, independent units, empowered with prepositioned
munitions, and independent tasking and decision authority. It will be
bloody, and count on the Israelis using white phosphorus and DU. But
say what you will, the IDF reservists are not the USMC, and the IDF
ground will have high casualties.

Maybe a high causality, second defeat will pull down the Israeli
rightwingers. I doubt it. I worry that in a full bore defeat, the
Israelis will use one of their nukes, like they almost did once befor.

Israel needs to make peace with its neighbors and recognize the right
of Palestine to exist as a nation within the pre-1967 borders. If
Israel continues to hold the Palestinians captive within an expanded
Israel, the simple arithmetic of birthrates will ultimately eliminate
the reality of a majority Jewish State. People who "support Israel"
thru blind acceptance of rightwing Israeli actions and tactics, no
matter how stupid or short sighted, need to consider the long term
outcomes.

David

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:45:24 -0800 (PST), DaveS
wrote:

On Jan 1, 7:47*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Well Dave we are soon going to get to the second phase. You see when
you starve an animal, it gets angry, and then it bites. Allot of this
is about Olmert, already in legal trouble over corruption in Israel,
and condemned by combat soldier groups IN ISRAEL for the mismanagement
of the recent Israeli defeat in Lebanon at the hands of Hezbollah, so
Olmert and some others are trying to maintain the myth of Israeli
military invincibility.

Hamas has nothing in the air to take on the Israeli 300+ fighters and
ground attack planes, nor can the Arab world deter the minimum of 100
to max 400 nukes estimated the Israelis have, so Hamas' armed wing is
waiting. Hamas is in tunnels and bunkers 20 meters down, waiting for
the Israeli ground assault. They will follow the same plan that
Hezbollah developed for Lebanon.

Hamas will let the Israeli ground attack, tanks and APCs, pass, on
into the densest built-up areas, where the tanks will be in single and
double echelon. And then Hamas will use tactics like so . . . they
will cripple one of the vehicles back in the line, and then take on
the individual vehicles in detail (example, rpgs to screw up the
automated turret defense guns, then something to cook the tank etc
etc.). As the Israelis retreat/reposition Hamas will attrit them using
roadside munitions etc.. Hamas is likely to use the same cellular C&C
structure of small, independent units, empowered with prepositioned
munitions, and independent tasking and decision authority. It will be
bloody, and count on the Israelis using white phosphorus and DU. But
say what you will, the IDF reservists are not the USMC, and the IDF
ground will have high casualties.

Maybe a high causality, second defeat will pull down the Israeli
rightwingers. I doubt it. I worry that in a full bore defeat, the
Israelis will use one of their nukes, like they almost did once befor.

Israel needs to make peace with its neighbors and recognize the right
of Palestine to exist as a nation within the pre-1967 borders. If
Israel continues to hold the Palestinians captive within an expanded
Israel, the simple arithmetic of birthrates will ultimately eliminate
the reality of a majority Jewish State. People who "support Israel"
thru blind acceptance of rightwing Israeli actions and tactics, no
matter how stupid or short sighted, need to consider the long term
outcomes.

David


Wow. You seem to be celebrating Israels defeat and death before it
happens. Will you open a bottle of bubbly, have your far left friends
over and celebrate. I'd feed 'em matza balls and Mogan David wine.
That should get some chuckles out of your anti-Israeli crowd.

It is a two way street, David. All the Palestinians have to say is,
"Yes, Israel has a right to exist," and there will be no more war.
Until they do, the fighting and dying will continue. The Arabs REFUSE
to accept Israel. So, now what? Nuclear war with Iran? Count on it
if something isn't done. I pray Obama can bring some sense to both
sides, but until he does, I will pray that Israel exist and thrive.
If the outside world punches her, she will punch back.

Go Israel, Survive

Dave, RWC