And he forgot to report that dollar bill he found, too...

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:29:55 GMT, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
I have to wonder if the "media" is having
buyers' remorse about Obama...

given the fresh set of approval numbers, it is VERY clear that the public
isn't. As one observer noted:"he spent a lot of political capital on the
stimulus package, and yet, seems to have more capital now than a month
ago.".
Tom

I'm not sure what you mean - his approval numbers have dipped a bit from about
70% to about 60% and his disapproval numbers have grown from 20ish% to 30ish% at
a steadily-increasing rate, while, undeservedly IMO, Congress' approval numbers
have actually increased.

IAC, I suspect that many (totally unrealistically) expected Obama to instantly
make everything perfect, and now that it _appears_ to the hoi polloi that it is
actually getting worse, they are beginning to feel somehow "cheated." I think
"the media" is in front of this, and given their role in getting him...oops -
Him...elected, they are trying to get in front of the probable downturn in
public opinion.

TC,
R

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:50:41 -0800 (PST), riverman wrote:

On Mar 4, 1:42*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:59:29 -0800 (PST), wrote:

**** that - just nominate the entire Clinton Administration and assorted
hangers-on, and voila! *


Actually, I like the Officially Stated Policy: raise taxes on the
entire Bush Administration and assorted hangers-on.

Well, it seems they are the only ones of the last two that actually pays them,
so I guess it has that going for it...

HTH,
R

:-)

--riverman

wrote in message
...
I'm not sure what you mean - his approval numbers have dipped a bit from
about
70% to about 60% and his disapproval numbers have grown from 20ish% to
30ish%

apparently, this weeks numbers took an upward turn.
Tom

Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Double sheesh is right. I mean this is nickel and dime bull****
that would never be an issue in real life being magnified under
the microscopic lens of a "gotcha" press. The guy made an honest
mistake on his taxes, a fairly trivial honest mistake, and it
would never have been brought to light had he not consented to
be a candidate for public service.

Double sheesh again,

Bull on the trivial ****. They have accountants. One talk show host made a
mistake on his taxes. Claimed interest on more than a million $$ mortgage.
Cost him the extra tax, interest and an $80,000 penalty. Geitner owed over
$120k in extra taxes for failure to report income. No penalty. Seems as if
none of these slimeballs get penalized. ...

Apparently you are not familiar with the Ron Kirk article we're
talking about and would rather keep on beating the dead horse of
Geithner/Daschle. The Ron Kirk "tax scandal" is nickel and dime
bull****, do try to keep up Mr. Bill.

As far as the Geithner/Daschle brouhaha is concerned they both
self-reported their errors to the IRS and paid the taxes and
interest in full. Do you know anyone who self-reported underpayment
who was then forced to pay a penalty ?

I got penalized for $250 for
underpayment of estimated taxes the year they took 28% of my stock option
money as I was getting laid off. Paid $80k more that year than I had ever
paid in taxes. Got a penalty. It is not trivial with this level of public
"servant"

You got a penalty because the IRS caught you. Next time you cheat on
your taxes try reporting it to the IRS *before* they catch you and
I'll bet you won't get the penalty.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mar 4, 7:30*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Don't get too excited. Ignore the harpies. Considering the last 8
years, during which almost everyone of ROFFs Rush-loven, right-wing
suck-ups had zip to say, nay even praise for all the lying, cheating,
stealing, corruption, war profiteering, waste of young soldier's
blood, trashing of real heroism, defense of traitors and spies,
defense of Whitehouse use of on-call male prostitutes, support for
slavery in Saipan sweatshops, violation of the Constitution, and long
protection of right-wing congressional sexual predators, . . . what
do you expect from these folks? A normal range of political opinion?
NFW. You are dealing with folks who are able to throat the big turd of
the Bush years with relish, wipe their chin and ask for more.

Just accept that folks so civically whacked they cannot integrate
experience with their fantasy life . . . will either shut the **** up
out of common decency or shame, or constantly natter on over any
tidbit, no matter how trivial, that will justify their failure to
treat the responsibilities of their citizenship and voting franchise
with the respect that these adult responsibilities deserve. If these
folk choose to **** into the wind just let em. Bed-wetters thrive on
denial.

Just be thankful that enough of the moderates and independents had had
enough of the nonsense and corruption, and decided with their vote to
try a new direction. The challenge now is to govern responsibly,
restore the Constitution, rebuild America's industrial economy,
encourage real enterprise and scientific innovation, reform the
Nation's health care system, and rebuild our military's capabilities
to protect our country's valid national interests.

Dave

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:48:02 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.. .
wrote:
Sheesh....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504345,00.html

Sheesh again,

Double sheesh is right. I mean this is nickel and dime bull****
that would never be an issue in real life being magnified under
the microscopic lens of a "gotcha" press. The guy made an honest
mistake on his taxes, a fairly trivial honest mistake, and it
would never have been brought to light had he not consented to
be a candidate for public service.

Double sheesh again,

--
Ken Fortenberry

Bull on the trivial ****. They have accountants. One talk show host made
a
mistake on his taxes. Claimed interest on more than a million $$
mortgage.
Cost him the extra tax, interest and an $80,000 penalty. Geitner owed
over
$120k in extra taxes for failure to report income. No penalty. Seems as
if
none of these slimeballs get penalized. I got penalized for $250 for
underpayment of estimated taxes the year they took 28% of my stock option
money as I was getting laid off. Paid $80k more that year than I had ever
paid in taxes. Got a penalty. It is not trivial with this level of
public
"servant"

Bill, I'd agree wholeheartedly on most thus far, but not Ron Kirk on
taxes.
Apparently, he never even touched the speaking fees, but rather, they went
directly to Austin College. The claim is that he should have taken the
fees as
income and then donated them, taking a deduction. And yes, I understand
there
is a difference, but geez Louise on a donkey, the guy never had so much as
a
nickel of the money, so to make the guy take money only to donate it is,
IMO,
just so much IRSBS. As to the Mavs tickets, I have no idea whether 1% OR
100%
were used as actual/"legit" business entertainment, but if it is
acknowledged
that at least 60% were and that the rest were simply a lack of proper
record-keeping as to everything from the shoe size to the blood type of
everyone
present, I'd be willing to allow that the bulk of it is as legit as it
ever
gets.

The bottom line is that here is guy that actually is a pretty fair choice
supported by the bulk of both parties, and now the media and right-wing
wackos
are painting him with, at best, the same brush as Timmy and Tommy, who
actually
deserved to be painted with a tar mop...right before a generous
application of
shredded fiberglass...and carpet tacks, silicone caulk, boiled eggs and
cabbage...

TC,
R.

Then he needs a better tax man. Joe Louis had IRS problems for the same
exact reason. He did charity fights and the purses were donated 100% to the
charity. He was charged with them as income and then a deduction. You
think that the tax guy would know the rules? A mistake, but the rest of the
people get penalized for errors.

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Double sheesh is right. I mean this is nickel and dime bull****
that would never be an issue in real life being magnified under
the microscopic lens of a "gotcha" press. The guy made an honest
mistake on his taxes, a fairly trivial honest mistake, and it
would never have been brought to light had he not consented to
be a candidate for public service.

Double sheesh again,

Bull on the trivial ****. They have accountants. One talk show host
made a mistake on his taxes. Claimed interest on more than a million $$
mortgage. Cost him the extra tax, interest and an $80,000 penalty.
Geitner owed over $120k in extra taxes for failure to report income. No
penalty. Seems as if none of these slimeballs get penalized. ...

Apparently you are not familiar with the Ron Kirk article we're
talking about and would rather keep on beating the dead horse of
Geithner/Daschle. The Ron Kirk "tax scandal" is nickel and dime
bull****, do try to keep up Mr. Bill.

As far as the Geithner/Daschle brouhaha is concerned they both
self-reported their errors to the IRS and paid the taxes and
interest in full. Do you know anyone who self-reported underpayment
who was then forced to pay a penalty ?

I got penalized for $250 for underpayment of estimated taxes the year
they took 28% of my stock option money as I was getting laid off. Paid
$80k more that year than I had ever paid in taxes. Got a penalty. It is
not trivial with this level of public "servant"

You got a penalty because the IRS caught you. Next time you cheat on
your taxes try reporting it to the IRS *before* they catch you and
I'll bet you won't get the penalty.

--
Ken Fortenberry

According to the rules, I should not have had to pay. As I paid more than
the previous year. It is not nickel and dime stuff, it is both a sign of
those in power seem to think they are exempt from the rules the rest of us
have to follow. Which is true with a lot of the rules Congress passes.
They exempt Congress. And also a sign that the IRS code is way to confused.
Ask the IRS a question and it is extremely possible that the answer is
wrong, or will be answered 180 degrees out by the next agent.

"DaveS" wrote in message
...
Just be thankful that enough of the moderates and independents had had
enough of the nonsense and corruption, and decided with their vote to
try a new direction. The challenge now is to govern responsibly,
restore the Constitution, rebuild America's industrial economy,
encourage real enterprise and scientific innovation, reform the
Nation's health care system, and rebuild our military's capabilities
to protect our country's valid national interests.

no small order there, Dave......
Tom

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:48:02 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Sheesh....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504345,00.html

Sheesh again,
Double sheesh is right. I mean this is nickel and dime bull****
that would never be an issue in real life being magnified under
the microscopic lens of a "gotcha" press. The guy made an honest
mistake on his taxes, a fairly trivial honest mistake, and it
would never have been brought to light had he not consented to
be a candidate for public service.

Double sheesh again,

--
Ken Fortenberry
Bull on the trivial ****. They have accountants. One talk show host made
a
mistake on his taxes. Claimed interest on more than a million $$
mortgage.
Cost him the extra tax, interest and an $80,000 penalty. Geitner owed
over
$120k in extra taxes for failure to report income. No penalty. Seems as
if
none of these slimeballs get penalized. I got penalized for $250 for
underpayment of estimated taxes the year they took 28% of my stock option
money as I was getting laid off. Paid $80k more that year than I had ever
paid in taxes. Got a penalty. It is not trivial with this level of
public
"servant"

Bill, I'd agree wholeheartedly on most thus far, but not Ron Kirk on
taxes.
Apparently, he never even touched the speaking fees, but rather, they went
directly to Austin College. The claim is that he should have taken the
fees as
income and then donated them, taking a deduction. And yes, I understand
there
is a difference, but geez Louise on a donkey, the guy never had so much as
a
nickel of the money, so to make the guy take money only to donate it is,
IMO,
just so much IRSBS. As to the Mavs tickets, I have no idea whether 1% OR
100%
were used as actual/"legit" business entertainment, but if it is
acknowledged
that at least 60% were and that the rest were simply a lack of proper
record-keeping as to everything from the shoe size to the blood type of
everyone
present, I'd be willing to allow that the bulk of it is as legit as it
ever
gets.

The bottom line is that here is guy that actually is a pretty fair choice
supported by the bulk of both parties, and now the media and right-wing
wackos
are painting him with, at best, the same brush as Timmy and Tommy, who
actually
deserved to be painted with a tar mop...right before a generous
application of
shredded fiberglass...and carpet tacks, silicone caulk, boiled eggs and
cabbage...

TC,
R.

Then he needs a better tax man. Joe Louis had IRS problems for the same
exact reason. He did charity fights and the purses were donated 100% to the
charity. He was charged with them as income and then a deduction. You
think that the tax guy would know the rules? A mistake, but the rest of the
people get penalized for errors.



The real bottom line is the double standards by which liberals are
judged vs. the way conservatives are judged. If these picks were for
the previous administration, they would have been prosecuted and sent to
jail. There would have been no end of harsh criticism in the press.

Peaceful Bill wrote:

The real bottom line is the double standards by which liberals are
judged vs. the way conservatives are judged. If these picks were for
the previous administration, they would have been prosecuted and sent to
jail. There would have been no end of harsh criticism in the press.

You're talking from where most people do their farting again, Mr. Jelly.
Nobody, liberal or conservative, who makes trivial, honest mistakes on
their tax returns goes to jail.

I wonder what kind of bull**** you'd be spewing if it was a liberal
Senator who was caught doing the wide stance tap dance in the Men's
room. You'd be screaming for jail time wouldn't you ?

--
Ken Fortenberry