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Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the governor of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real, with power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy to oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
...
James Ehlers notes:
Perhaps where you live there are not real threats to fishing, but there
in
many places in this country, including movements to ban catch and release
fly fishing.


I am perfectly aware of such movements. At present, few regard them with
any
seriousness whatsoever, despite the fact that Bambi has aired for close to
three generations. Hyperbolic overreaction is the only thing that could
make
such movements blossom into a true threat, as the public could then
develop the
idea that outdoorsmen(and women) are as irrational as the opposition.
Tom

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:43:47 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the governor of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real, with power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy to oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net


What about the governor of Wisconsin? He has turned back two attempts by
the rat *******s in the GOP to privitize hundreds, perhaps thousands of
miles of trout streams. If you are talking about the concealed weapons
veto, we've gotten along just fine for 130 years here without concealed
weapons being legal. Every police chief and the vast majority of the county
Sherriffs were against that bill. Our governor was the Attorney General for
the state, a very successful one I might add, for many years and I trust
his opinions on law enforcement issues a lot more than you or the GOP
sleeze bags that were pushing this bill. The same sleeze bags were behind
the stream privitization bill, I might add.

g.c.

Mr. Cleveland,
Before we engage in meaningless banter, can we clarify the fact that you are
Democrat?

For the record, and it is a public one, despite people like Mr. Williams
that attempt to smear people by aligning them with the R party, I have no
party affiliation, in fact helping two Rs and two Ds to statewide office
last cycle.

I am an issues man. Apparently you are a party man. Is that correct?

WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population, is
that correct?

Your governor is a danger to hunting and fishing rights, regardless of party
tag.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:43:47 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the governor
of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real, with
power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the
lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy to
oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net


What about the governor of Wisconsin? He has turned back two attempts by
the rat *******s in the GOP to privitize hundreds, perhaps thousands of
miles of trout streams. If you are talking about the concealed weapons
veto, we've gotten along just fine for 130 years here without concealed
weapons being legal. Every police chief and the vast majority of the
county
Sherriffs were against that bill. Our governor was the Attorney General
for
the state, a very successful one I might add, for many years and I trust
his opinions on law enforcement issues a lot more than you or the GOP
sleeze bags that were pushing this bill. The same sleeze bags were behind
the stream privitization bill, I might add.

g.c.

"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
et...


WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population, is
that correct?


Hoo boy! We got us a live one here! Oh, this is gonna be SUCH fun!
Listen, I gotta go do the family Thanksgiving thing for a few hours, but I
promise I'll be back this evening. Don't you go anywhere till I get back,
O.K.?

Wolfgang

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:12:49 -0600, "Wolfgang"
wrote:


"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
. net...


WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population, is
that correct?


Hoo boy! We got us a live one here! Oh, this is gonna be SUCH fun!
Listen, I gotta go do the family Thanksgiving thing for a few hours, but I
promise I'll be back this evening. Don't you go anywhere till I get back,
O.K.?

Wolfgang



--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:01:09 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Mr. Cleveland,
Before we engage in meaningless banter, can we clarify the fact that you are
Democrat?

For the record, and it is a public one, despite people like Mr. Williams
that attempt to smear people by aligning them with the R party, I have no
party affiliation, in fact helping two Rs and two Ds to statewide office
last cycle.

I am an issues man. Apparently you are a party man. Is that correct?

WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population, is
that correct?

Your governor is a danger to hunting and fishing rights, regardless of party
tag.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:43:47 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the governor
of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real, with
power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the
lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy to
oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

You are an idiot.
Governor Doyle was the Attorney General who represented the state in some
of their many cases *against* the Indians in federal court. He lost. It
had nothing to do with "political correctness". It had to do with the
federal courts believing that when the treaties in question gave Indians
hunting and fishing rights over such and such an area, that that is what
the treaties meant. Go figure. This didn't please a lot of people (for a
few years the boat landings were crowded with creeps waving signs with
phrases on them like; "Spear Timber N*****, Not Walleyes) but it has been
upheld all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. So what are you going to do?
It is pretty much a non-issue in the state now, no more pickets at the boat
landings. There are still plenty of walleye, the negative effects have been
minimal to non-existant. In fact the Lac du Flambeau band has a hatchery
that stocks millions of walleye and musky fry in the public waters of the
state.

g.c.

What about the governor of Wisconsin? He has turned back two attempts by
the rat *******s in the GOP to privitize hundreds, perhaps thousands of
miles of trout streams. If you are talking about the concealed weapons
veto, we've gotten along just fine for 130 years here without concealed
weapons being legal. Every police chief and the vast majority of the
county
Sherriffs were against that bill. Our governor was the Attorney General
for
the state, a very successful one I might add, for many years and I trust
his opinions on law enforcement issues a lot more than you or the GOP
sleeze bags that were pushing this bill. The same sleeze bags were behind
the stream privitization bill, I might add.

g.c.

Mr. Cleveland,
Yes, I am suppose I am an idiot for even thinking that people with a common
interest could work together. Apparently, you have no ties to the guides or
lodges that have lost business because your Governor, and or legislature for
that matter, does not fight for its RIGHT to administer fish and game
regulations in your state.

Just admit your political bias rather than assail me for suggesting your
governor should not play the victim role.

Your right. I am an idiot for even responding to you, given it has even
been 10 years since I have had any connection to Wisconsin.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net





"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:01:09 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Mr. Cleveland,
Before we engage in meaningless banter, can we clarify the fact that you
are
Democrat?

For the record, and it is a public one, despite people like Mr. Williams
that attempt to smear people by aligning them with the R party, I have no
party affiliation, in fact helping two Rs and two Ds to statewide office
last cycle.

I am an issues man. Apparently you are a party man. Is that correct?

WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population, is
that correct?

Your governor is a danger to hunting and fishing rights, regardless of
party
tag.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:43:47 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the governo
r
of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real, with
power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the
lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy to
oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

You are an idiot.
Governor Doyle was the Attorney General who represented the state in some
of their many cases *against* the Indians in federal court. He lost. It
had nothing to do with "political correctness". It had to do with the
federal courts believing that when the treaties in question gave Indians
hunting and fishing rights over such and such an area, that that is what
the treaties meant. Go figure. This didn't please a lot of people (for a
few years the boat landings were crowded with creeps waving signs with
phrases on them like; "Spear Timber N*****, Not Walleyes) but it has been
upheld all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. So what are you going to do?
It is pretty much a non-issue in the state now, no more pickets at the
boat
landings. There are still plenty of walleye, the negative effects have
been
minimal to non-existant. In fact the Lac du Flambeau band has a hatchery
that stocks millions of walleye and musky fry in the public waters of the
state.

g.c.

What about the governor of Wisconsin? He has turned back two attempts
by
the rat *******s in the GOP to privitize hundreds, perhaps thousands of
miles of trout streams. If you are talking about the concealed weapons
veto, we've gotten along just fine for 130 years here without concealed
weapons being legal. Every police chief and the vast majority of the
county
Sherriffs were against that bill. Our governor was the Attorney General
for
the state, a very successful one I might add, for many years and I
trust
his opinions on law enforcement issues a lot more than you or the GOP
sleeze bags that were pushing this bill. The same sleeze bags were
behind
the stream privitization bill, I might add.

g.c.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:22:01 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Mr. Cleveland,
Yes, I am suppose I am an idiot for even thinking that people with a common
interest could work together. Apparently, you have no ties to the guides or
lodges that have lost business because your Governor, and or legislature for
that matter, does not fight for its RIGHT to administer fish and game
regulations in your state.

Just admit your political bias rather than assail me for suggesting your
governor should not play the victim role.

Your right. I am an idiot for even responding to you, given it has even
been 10 years since I have had any connection to Wisconsin.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



Name one guide or lodge that has been put out of busness by the ruling.
Wisconsin fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. Our appeals were lost
by unanimous opinions on every count.

You don't know anything about our state.

g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:01:09 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Mr. Cleveland,
Before we engage in meaningless banter, can we clarify the fact that you
are
Democrat?

For the record, and it is a public one, despite people like Mr. Williams
that attempt to smear people by aligning them with the R party, I have no
party affiliation, in fact helping two Rs and two Ds to statewide office
last cycle.

I am an issues man. Apparently you are a party man. Is that correct?

WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population, is
that correct?

Your governor is a danger to hunting and fishing rights, regardless of
party
tag.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:43:47 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the governo
r
of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real, with
power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the
lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy to
oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

You are an idiot.
Governor Doyle was the Attorney General who represented the state in some
of their many cases *against* the Indians in federal court. He lost. It
had nothing to do with "political correctness". It had to do with the
federal courts believing that when the treaties in question gave Indians
hunting and fishing rights over such and such an area, that that is what
the treaties meant. Go figure. This didn't please a lot of people (for a
few years the boat landings were crowded with creeps waving signs with
phrases on them like; "Spear Timber N*****, Not Walleyes) but it has been
upheld all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. So what are you going to do?
It is pretty much a non-issue in the state now, no more pickets at the
boat
landings. There are still plenty of walleye, the negative effects have
been
minimal to non-existant. In fact the Lac du Flambeau band has a hatchery
that stocks millions of walleye and musky fry in the public waters of the
state.

g.c.

What about the governor of Wisconsin? He has turned back two attempts
by
the rat *******s in the GOP to privitize hundreds, perhaps thousands of
miles of trout streams. If you are talking about the concealed weapons
veto, we've gotten along just fine for 130 years here without concealed
weapons being legal. Every police chief and the vast majority of the
county
Sherriffs were against that bill. Our governor was the Attorney General
for
the state, a very successful one I might add, for many years and I
trust
his opinions on law enforcement issues a lot more than you or the GOP
sleeze bags that were pushing this bill. The same sleeze bags were
behind
the stream privitization bill, I might add.

g.c.

Mr. Cleveland,
Then I invite you to educate me rather than attack me. There are others
that feel differently than you do.


--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:22:01 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Mr. Cleveland,
Yes, I am suppose I am an idiot for even thinking that people with a
common
interest could work together. Apparently, you have no ties to the guides
or
lodges that have lost business because your Governor, and or legislature
for
that matter, does not fight for its RIGHT to administer fish and game
regulations in your state.

Just admit your political bias rather than assail me for suggesting your
governor should not play the victim role.

Your right. I am an idiot for even responding to you, given it has even
been 10 years since I have had any connection to Wisconsin.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



Name one guide or lodge that has been put out of busness by the ruling.
Wisconsin fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. Our appeals were
lost
by unanimous opinions on every count.

You don't know anything about our state.

g.c.

"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:01:09 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Mr. Cleveland,
Before we engage in meaningless banter, can we clarify the fact that
you
are
Democrat?

For the record, and it is a public one, despite people like Mr.
Williams
that attempt to smear people by aligning them with the R party, I have
no
party affiliation, in fact helping two Rs and two Ds to statewide
office
last cycle.

I am an issues man. Apparently you are a party man. Is that correct?

WI is the same state that allows for political correctness reasons the
Native American population to plunder the spawning walleye population,
is
that correct?

Your governor is a danger to hunting and fishing rights, regardless of
party
tag.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net




"George Cleveland" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 15:43:47 GMT, "Outdoors Magazine"
wrote:

Tom,
Please define "who?" Are you familar with the politics of the
governo
r
of
NJ? WI? US Senator Schumer? Feinstein? These people are real,
with
power,
money and agenda counter that of ours.

The threat is real. If you would like me to fax you a copy of the
lawsuit
in NJ to recall all fishing and hunting licenses I would be happy
to
oblige.
Just send me your number directly to my email.

Happy Thanksgiving.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

You are an idiot.
Governor Doyle was the Attorney General who represented the state in
some
of their many cases *against* the Indians in federal court. He lost.
It
had nothing to do with "political correctness". It had to do with the
federal courts believing that when the treaties in question gave
Indians
hunting and fishing rights over such and such an area, that that is
what
the treaties meant. Go figure. This didn't please a lot of people (for
a
few years the boat landings were crowded with creeps waving signs with
phrases on them like; "Spear Timber N*****, Not Walleyes) but it has
been
upheld all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. So what are you going to
do?
It is pretty much a non-issue in the state now, no more pickets at the
boat
landings. There are still plenty of walleye, the negative effects have
been
minimal to non-existant. In fact the Lac du Flambeau band has a
hatchery
that stocks millions of walleye and musky fry in the public waters of
the
state.

g.c.

What about the governor of Wisconsin? He has turned back two
attempts
by
the rat *******s in the GOP to privitize hundreds, perhaps thousands
of
miles of trout streams. If you are talking about the concealed
weapons
veto, we've gotten along just fine for 130 years here without
concealed
weapons being legal. Every police chief and the vast majority of the
county
Sherriffs were against that bill. Our governor was the Attorney
General
for
the state, a very successful one I might add, for many years and I
trust
his opinions on law enforcement issues a lot more than you or the
GOP
sleeze bags that were pushing this bill. The same sleeze bags were
behind
the stream privitization bill, I might add.

g.c.

"Outdoors Magazine" wrote in message
et...
Mr. Cleveland,
Yes, I am suppose I am an idiot for even thinking that people with a
common
interest could work together. Apparently, you have no ties to the guides
or
lodges that have lost business because your Governor, and or legislature
for
that matter, does not fight for its RIGHT to administer fish and game
regulations in your state.

Just admit your political bias rather than assail me for suggesting your
governor should not play the victim role.

Your right.

do you actually hold yourself out as being connected to the writing of
english manuscripts for public consumption?
if so, i consider such a position to be far less defensible than to
posit that the freaking earth is flat.

wayno (but please, don't stop)