Ron Silver, RIP

A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. Was
he right or wrong?

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

R

wrote:
A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. Was
he right or wrong?

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ? And why would roff need either of those lessons ?

At any rate, he was a good actor.

Alav ha-shalom.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:35:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. Was
he right or wrong?

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. And neither happened with Silver. He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

And why would roff need either of those lessons ?

At any rate, he was a good actor.

Alav ha-shalom.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20046.html, for one.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. And neither happened with Silver. ...

"I'm a 9/11 Republican."
-- Ron Silver

He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

His main point of contention with the Dems, the one he himself cited,
was that Dems were soft on terrorism. I don't know where you come up
with hypocrisy either Dem or GOP.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:17:01 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. And neither happened with Silver. ...

"I'm a 9/11 Republican."
-- Ron Silver

FWIW -

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/01/mo...eleb.html?_r=1

He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

His main point of contention with the Dems, the one he himself cited,
was that Dems were soft on terrorism. I don't know where you come up
with hypocrisy either Dem or GOP.

"Even though I am a well-recognized liberal on many issues confronting our
society today, I find it ironic that many human rights advocates and outspoken
members of my own entertainment community are often on the front lines to
protest repression, for which I applaud them but they are usually the first ones
to oppose any use of force to take care of these horrors that they
catalogue repeatedly." - Ron Silver at the GOP Convention

"Mr. Silver said he admired Senator Kerry, whom he described as honorable, but
added he did not think the candidate represents the rank and file of the
Democratic Party, most of whom, he said, 'I think are Howard
Dean-Kucinich-Sharpton-Michael Moore people,' the kind of people 'who like the
projection of American force for humanitarian reasons, so they'll support
Clinton's intervention in Bosnia, but they don't like it in support of our own
defense.'" (From the NYT article, above)

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?
Nope. And neither happened with Silver. ...
"I'm a 9/11 Republican."
-- Ron Silver

FWIW -

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/01/mo...eleb.html?_r=1
He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."
His main point of contention with the Dems, the one he himself cited,
was that Dems were soft on terrorism. I don't know where you come up
with hypocrisy either Dem or GOP.

"Even though I am a well-recognized liberal on many issues confronting our
society today, I find it ironic that many human rights advocates and outspoken
members of my own entertainment community are often on the front lines to
protest repression, for which I applaud them but they are usually the first ones
to oppose any use of force to take care of these horrors that they
catalogue repeatedly." - Ron Silver at the GOP Convention

"Mr. Silver said he admired Senator Kerry, whom he described as honorable, but
added he did not think the candidate represents the rank and file of the
Democratic Party, most of whom, he said, 'I think are Howard
Dean-Kucinich-Sharpton-Michael Moore people,' the kind of people 'who like the
projection of American force for humanitarian reasons, so they'll support
Clinton's intervention in Bosnia, but they don't like it in support of our own
defense.'" (From the NYT article, above)

All those quotes and nary a mention of hypocrisy. I don't know
why you'd want to put words in a dead guy's mouth or why you think
there's a lesson there roff needs to learn. Appears to me that 9/11
had a very profound effect on the late Mr. Silver causing him to
abandon his principles in favor of rabid warmongering. We don't need
that lesson, we've got ~^beancounter^~.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mar 16, 9:40*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:35:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry





wrote:
wrote:
A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. *Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? *No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. *Was
he right or wrong? *

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. *And neither happened with Silver. *He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

And why would roff need either of those lessons ?

At any rate, he was a good actor.

Alav ha-shalom.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20046.html, for one.


And http://www.onejerusalem.org/ for another. Read the comments and
articles...any of them.

--riverman

On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:

On Mar 16, 9:40*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:35:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry





wrote:
wrote:
A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. *Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? *No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. *Was
he right or wrong? *

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. *And neither happened with Silver. *He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

And why would roff need either of those lessons ?

At any rate, he was a good actor.

Alav ha-shalom.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20046.html, for one.


And http://www.onejerusalem.org/ for another. Read the comments and
articles...any of them.

I just went to the site, clicked on his obit there, and saw "0" comments. IAC,
I'm not sure of your point. I don't deny he was a supporter of Israel and other
Jewish causes.

TC,
R

--riverman

On Mar 17, 12:24*am, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Mar 16, 9:40*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:35:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. *Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? *No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. *Was
he right or wrong? *

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. *And neither happened with Silver. *He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

And why would roff need either of those lessons ?

At any rate, he was a good actor.

Alav ha-shalom.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20046.html, for one.

Andhttp://www.onejerusalem.org/for another. Read the comments and
articles...any of them.

I just went to the site, clicked on his obit there, and saw "0" comments. *IAC,
I'm not sure of your point. *I don't deny he was a supporter of Israel and other
Jewish causes.

TC,
R

I meant to read the comments after the news articles and in the forum
section. "Supporter" is a mild understatement.... words such as
'radical', 'virulent' and 'extreme' come to mind.

--riverman

On Mar 16, 9:24*am, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:09:29 -0700 (PDT), riverman wrote:
On Mar 16, 9:40*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:35:36 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
A little lesson for ROFF....

Here was a guy who, for many years, honestly adhered to one political philosophy
and in a short period of time, did an about-face. *Does it matter from which he
came to which he went? *No, not in my opinion because he, from all I could tell,
put some thought into his decision, weighing the good (and the bad) in the
former and the good (and the bad) in latter, and made a personal decision. *Was
he right or wrong? *

Yeah, probably....

IAC, RIP Ron...

What's the lesson ? Is it that 9/11 scared the liberal out of a
Jewish guy or that the GOP is a better friend to Israel during
turbulent times ?

Nope. *And neither happened with Silver. *He still believed in and supported
many "liberal" causes and organizations, but if you will, apparently found the
hypocrisy in the Dem party and its "circles" to be less than that of the GOP and
its "circles."

And why would roff need either of those lessons ?

At any rate, he was a good actor.

Alav ha-shalom.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20046.html, for one.

Andhttp://www.onejerusalem.org/for another. Read the comments and
articles...any of them.

I just went to the site, clicked on his obit there, and saw "0" comments. *IAC,
I'm not sure of your point. *I don't deny he was a supporter of Israel and other
Jewish causes.

TC,
R





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Like too many in the US, Silver's liberalism did not prevent him from
turning a blind eye to the active campaign underway to ethnically
cleanse Palestinians from Palestine and Israel. It's the same kind of
liberalism that cannot bear the mention or to look at the photos of
children horribly burned and disfigured by American financed white
phosphorus shells fired into their apartment houses and schools in
Gaza. Its the same kind of liberalism that cowers to "the" lobby, and
is afraid to support those many Israelis and Americans who are
fighting against the persecution of the Palestinians.

I wish Silver well in the next world, like us all, he had his flaws,
his conflicts, and his high points. RIP

Dave