rod abuse??

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My friend is a fly shop owner and he told me the reason warranty prices
are rising is dishonesty. He said guides will break a rod themselves
and send it back to the company at the end of the season. They have
down time so they can afford the wait, and it prevents them from having
it break on a guide trip and loosing serious $$

Yeah, those people who slam them in car doors, ceiling fans, etc are just a
minor segment of the warranty returns...... What a dumbass!

Since the no fault warranty warranty repairs have skyrocketted. So
those accidents just happen to dramatically increase?

And you call ME a dumbass when I have the facts and the anecdotes from
fly shop owners to back it up?

"steve sullivan" wrote in message
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In article ,
wrote:

wrote...
My friend is a fly shop owner and he told me the reason warranty
prices
are rising is dishonesty. He said guides will break a rod themselves
and send it back to the company at the end of the season. They have
down time so they can afford the wait, and it prevents them from
having
it break on a guide trip and loosing serious $$

Yeah, those people who slam them in car doors, ceiling fans, etc are
just a
minor segment of the warranty returns...... What a dumbass!

Since the no fault warranty warranty repairs have skyrocketted. So
those accidents just happen to dramatically increase?

And you call ME a dumbass when I have the facts and the anecdotes from
fly shop owners to back it up?

You don't have any facts, just the opinion of one flyshop owner, and it
doesn't make sense. I sincerely doubt guides will intentionally break a rod
at the end of the guiding year. I have never intentionally broken a rod, and
none of the folks I guide with do either. In fact, about the only time I
break a rod is when I am fishing on my own, and when it happens, it usually
through something pretty spectacular like a fall.

You should take a closer look at the stated reasons for guides breaking fly
rods intentionally. According to you, if a guide intentionally breaks a rod
at the end of the season, it won't happen on a guided trip? That is just
plain ridiculous. In the first case, it presupposes that fly rods wear out
in a year. That is nonsense. Secondly, clients typically use their own rods,
not the guides'. Guides will carry spare rods in case of accidents, and
these rods would never see enough use by a client to wear out so that a
guide would consider breaking it. Thirdly, fly rods break for a variety of
reasons, and a new rod is a likely to snap as an old rod. Breakage is not
predictable, and a pretty low probability event that few really worry about,
short of carrying a few spares with them.

I think the point Warren was trying to make, and it is a good one, is that
guides are a relatively small component of the rod market. There are many,
many, more anglers than there are guides. The reason fly rod replacements
have increased is because of the increase in rod sales to the general
public, not to guides.

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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.....I think the point Warren was trying to make, and it is a good one, is
that
guides are a relatively small component of the rod market. There are many,
many, more anglers than there are guides. The reason fly rod replacements
have increased is because of the increase in rod sales to the general
public, not to guides.

True.....very true. However, in fairness, I believe it should be made clear
that Warren was evidently also making another point.......that Mr. Sullivan
is a "dumbass". I think it is always a mistake in this forum to gloss over
such an accurate assessment made on the first try.

Wolfgang
who realizes, of course, that it may have been a lucky guess but really, the
correct answer is of greater import than is the process by which it was
derived.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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True.....very true. However, in fairness, I believe it should be made
clear
that Warren was evidently also making another point.......that Mr.
Sullivan
is a "dumbass". I think it is always a mistake in this forum to gloss
over
such an accurate assessment made on the first try.

Wolfgang
who realizes, of course, that it may have been a lucky guess but really,
the
correct answer is of greater import than is the process by which it was
derived.

You are right, Wolfgang, I should not have glossed over Warren's assesment,
but I felt it was so obviously accurate that I did not need to belabor the
point.

I'll just go back to snapping all my rod tips now.

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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You are right, Wolfgang, I should not have glossed over Warren's
assesment,
but I felt it was so obviously accurate that I did not need to belabor the
point.

I'll just go back to snapping all my rod tips now.

Tim Lysyk

I was told by a very reputable flyshop owner that the rod companies *expect*
you to break your rod at the end of the season.

Op --Unfortunately, our season never ends, here in NC!--

"Guyz-N-Flyz" wrote in message
.. .
I was told by a very reputable flyshop owner that the rod companies
*expect*
you to break your rod at the end of the season.

Op --Unfortunately, our season never ends, here in NC!--

yeah, its part of an international conspiracy to inflate rod prices.

By the way, our season never ends either. I usually get to fish each month
of the year.

Tim Lysyk

timlysyk at telus dot net

"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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yeah, its part of an international conspiracy to inflate rod prices.

By the way, our season never ends either. I usually get to fish each
month
of the year.

Tim Lysyk

I've always wanted to be part of an INTERNATIONAL conspiracy! Your run of
the mill local, regional and national conspiracies are so limited in their
scope. Just think, if we can get everyone here at ROFF to break their rods
at the end of each and every season (relatively speakin'), we could enjoy
endless threads about how, when, and where the breakage occurred. We could
work-up a form letter to send to each rod manufacturer requestin'
replacement. Hell, we could even have 'claves dedicated to the breakin' of
rods. Mind ya timin' would be of critical importance concernin' these
'claves.

Op --Order of the Broken Rod--

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Since the no fault warranty warranty repairs have skyrocketted. So
those accidents just happen to dramatically increase?

Let's see. The number of people fly fishing has increased and the number of
warranty repairs has sky rocketed. Must be the guides? Yeah, that makes
sense.....NOT! I would be willing to be bet my whole paycheck that more rods
are warrantied to individual fly fishers than to guides based on nothing more
than the sheer numbers of fly fishermen to guides.

And you call ME a dumbass when I have the facts and the anecdotes from
fly shop owners to back it up?

No, I wasn't calling you a dumbass. If I were calling you a dumbass I would
have said you're a dumbass, not "What a dumbass." I was calling the fly shop
owner a dumbass. I know several fly shops owners, a couple of outfitters and
many guides. I have never known any of them to intentionally break a piece of
equipment just so they can use the warranty and get a new piece of gear out of
the deal. I do know several people that have broken rods and used the warranty
though. To simply blame high warranty costs on guides is both stupid and wrong
IMO.
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Warren
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