Seychelles

On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:01:01 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:


wrote

Having recaught the bonefish bug I've booked a trip to the Seychelles
for next March.


Re Bonefishing ... the actual fishing ... i.e. sight casting to big,
exciting prey ... appeals to me but whenever I see pictures of the
environment it doesn't turn me on at all, I'm just not a 'lottsa sun and
sand' kinda guy, I actually like to avoid both ... give me gray skies and
cool mountains over sunburn and warm beaches, anytime

South-Central Colorado, like the Gunnison, Taylor, etc, up until June/July. Or
the British Isles...

Larry L ( who 'needs' to find some Winter fishing to extend the season, but
knows Bonefishing isn't it for me )

Um, "fishing" or _catching_?

TC,
R

wrote


Um, "fishing" or _catching_?


mentalwanderingmode

I often make the point, and it's a valid one with me, that "fishing is just
the excuse" and enjoying the environment is my real pleasure from the
pursuit. Another thing I'm fond of repeating is that I trout fish because
"trout have such good taste in neighborhoods."


However, I can NOT say that I'd go fishing unless I expected to catch. I
do expect to catch. But, I will not bother to go out to "fish the water"
most times, unless I'm really needy at the moment .... I'm a "TroutHunter"
that is ****ed that the name is taken, already G.

I'd bet that 99% of the guys, here or elsewhere, that go fly fishing are
more serious about the need to catch than I am .... that is serious, in the
sense that they 'fish harder and longer each day" and consider numbers and
sizes caught a measure of the quality of the day, than myself.

However, I am very serious about my angling and get very irritated with
myself during my very frequent can't do anything right spells. And I
greatly enjoy the feeling of competence that comes with my rare days of good
success. A way of expressing my outlook might be, "IF I set out to catch
THAT fish, I expect to catch him or give it one hell of an effort. But, I
almost never set out to catch lots of fish, or unusually big ones, or ones I
can't find and see before casting, just THAT one currently demanding my
attention."

Clearly, big ones grab that attention a little bit more firmly, but I
totally understand something Craig Matthews told me. He told me that the
hardest he had ever fished was spending three full days trying to catch a
specific "8 inch fish" from an incredibly difficult lie on the Firehole.
He told me that when he finally fooled it he was elated in a way no 'big'
fish had every moved him because they had all been easier ... I understand.

I am FAR more likely to spend 5 hours on one fish I can't fool than 5 hours
moving along racking up the numbers ... my 'average' day is probably less
than 4 hours of away from the truck "fishing" and most of that is hunting
for a fish I want, not casting. But I have come back over and over to try
the same fish, hour after hour, day after day, many times over the years.
If the catching is good, I quickly start looking for the hardest fish to
catch. I have no real idea what the most fish I ever caught in a day was,
or even how big the biggest was ( although I remember most of the really big
ones ... if not in inches or pounds but in where and when and on what fly )


The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal to
me, I prefer the mountains." Different strokes ... which is why I
daydream about New Zealand and Argentina in March, not the tropics.

/mentalwanderingmode

On Tue, 05 May 2009 18:08:25 GMT, "Larry L" wrote:


wrote


Um, "fishing" or _catching_?


mentalwanderingmode

I often make the point, and it's a valid one with me, that "fishing is just
the excuse" and enjoying the environment is my real pleasure from the
pursuit. Another thing I'm fond of repeating is that I trout fish because
"trout have such good taste in neighborhoods."


However, I can NOT say that I'd go fishing unless I expected to catch. I
do expect to catch. But, I will not bother to go out to "fish the water"
most times, unless I'm really needy at the moment .... I'm a "TroutHunter"
that is ****ed that the name is taken, already G.

I'd bet that 99% of the guys, here or elsewhere, that go fly fishing are
more serious about the need to catch than I am .... that is serious, in the
sense that they 'fish harder and longer each day" and consider numbers and
sizes caught a measure of the quality of the day, than myself.

However, I am very serious about my angling and get very irritated with
myself during my very frequent can't do anything right spells. And I
greatly enjoy the feeling of competence that comes with my rare days of good
success. A way of expressing my outlook might be, "IF I set out to catch
THAT fish, I expect to catch him or give it one hell of an effort. But, I
almost never set out to catch lots of fish, or unusually big ones, or ones I
can't find and see before casting, just THAT one currently demanding my
attention."

Clearly, big ones grab that attention a little bit more firmly, but I
totally understand something Craig Matthews told me. He told me that the
hardest he had ever fished was spending three full days trying to catch a
specific "8 inch fish" from an incredibly difficult lie on the Firehole.
He told me that when he finally fooled it he was elated in a way no 'big'
fish had every moved him because they had all been easier ... I understand.

I am FAR more likely to spend 5 hours on one fish I can't fool than 5 hours
moving along racking up the numbers ... my 'average' day is probably less
than 4 hours of away from the truck "fishing" and most of that is hunting
for a fish I want, not casting. But I have come back over and over to try
the same fish, hour after hour, day after day, many times over the years.
If the catching is good, I quickly start looking for the hardest fish to
catch. I have no real idea what the most fish I ever caught in a day was,
or even how big the biggest was ( although I remember most of the really big
ones ... if not in inches or pounds but in where and when and on what fly )


The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal to
me, I prefer the mountains." Different strokes ... which is why I
daydream about New Zealand and Argentina in March, not the tropics.

/mentalwanderingmode

Here's an idea - go to the Keys, fish in the morning, and then find a nice cool
bar (or shopping or watching TV in your room or whatever) to hold up in when
it's really sunny (if it is the sun and not the heat you object to - it's rarely
what I'd call "miserable sticky-hot" in the Keys due to the breezes - sure, it's
not Chicago in the winter, but it's not New Orleans in August, either...).
Unless you want to play in the sand, you'll not have to set foot on a beach.

As to fishing v. catching, if I want to catch, I can do that easily and the only
time I am interested in doing so is to catch eating fish (generally in salt
water, but "brim"/bream/panfish are nice, as is an occasional trout, etc.). If
I'm going "fishing," I'm really going socializing, drinking, bull****ting,
eating, etc., and oh, yeah, I might catch a fish or three...might not, too...

TC,
R

On May 5, 11:24*am, wrote:

As to fishing v. catching, if I want to catch, I can do that easily and the only
time I am interested in doing so is to catch eating fish (generally in salt
water, but "brim"/bream/panfish are nice, as is an occasional trout, etc.). *If
I'm going "fishing," I'm really going socializing, drinking, bull****ting,
eating, etc., and oh, yeah, I might catch a fish or three...might not, too...

So, if I read this right, you're saying that "fishing" is "going
socializing, drinking, bull****ting, eating, etc." and you really
don't care much if you "catch" any fish.

You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 07 May 2009 06:02:44 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

HTH,
R

On May 7, 5:10*am, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 06:02:44 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.

That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

HTH,
R

So now you and Fortenberry are getting all kissy kissy. ****ing
hilarious.

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
snip
You're not a fisherman. Everyone knows it, so stop pretending. I don't
know what you're even doing here.
That's Barnard, ever the ****in' putz.

Aw, he's so cute when he gets all Hemmingweigh and Ketchum, Jr....he probably
just hasn't been up his own lil' Brokeback Mountain in his own private Idaho in
a while...

The poor thing is so quick to take offense at the slightest hint
of disagreement, and to deliver offense in response, one has to
wonder why he's so thin-skinned and defensive. He's such a swishy
little girly-man I don't know what he's even doing here. It can't
be a comfortable place for him.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 7 May 2009 03:48:09 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On May 5, 11:24*am, wrote:

As to fishing v. catching, if I want to catch, I can do that easily and the only
time I am interested in doing so is to catch eating fish (generally in salt
water, but "brim"/bream/panfish are nice, as is an occasional trout, etc.). *If
I'm going "fishing," I'm really going socializing, drinking, bull****ting,
eating, etc., and oh, yeah, I might catch a fish or three...might not, too...

So, if I read this right, you're saying that "fishing" is "going
socializing, drinking, bull****ting, eating, etc." and you really
don't care much if you "catch" any fish.

****ing amazing...you managed to read it right...that's exactly what I'm
saying...

You're not a fisherman.

Uh-huh. Give me, at most, a coupla-few hours scouting time on _any_ water on
earth, especially whatever water(s) you think yourself to be an expert, and I'd
be able to out-catch you using your own tackle. And on a tangentially-related
note, I'd say you are the one who isn't "a fisherman," you're nothing more than
a wannabe...just as in the whole of your life...

Everyone knows it,

Wow - everyone, huh? Geez, I had no idea that entire villages in China, or even
everyone in Hurley, MS, knew or cared...I'm touched...BTW, next time you are
polling them all on something, could ask them to send a single coin of their
local currency to St. Jude's for me? TIA!

so stop pretending.

Pretending what?

I don't know

Now, see, you shoulda just kept it simple...stupid...

what you're even doing here.

Right now, I'm annoying you - which, I must admit, is occasionally amusing...

Hee-hee-hee,
R

On May 5, 11:08*am, "Larry L" wrote:

The bonefish thing looks like fishing I would enjoy ... one on one sight
fishing. * *But, "the rest of the day" on an island, gritty with sand,
sunburned, has zero appeal and "the rest of the day" really is a very big
part of why I fish. * ...Um, I showed some 'bonefish spot' photos to my
lovely bride and her reaction was just like mine .. " That doesn't appeal to
me, I prefer the mountains." * *

You and she might feel differently after spending a winter in
Stanley. :-)

Like you say, different strokes. I always prefer to fish new places,
and I
seldom travel far to where I've already fished, unless it's on the on
the way
to somewhere new. We're very different in that regard, as you seem
to return to the same places every year.

One thing that really appeals to me about salt water
fly fishing is the novelty of it -- new species, new scenery, new
cultures.

I'm posting this from my motel room in The Muck (Winnemucca), on the
way to Idaho.
Not a lot of exotic culture here, but there's an excellent Mexican
restaurant
I always visit -- las Margaritas.