Lake Ontario

Good point. Probably because of the economic value of the sportfishery it
is assumed they cannot be done without, regardless. Just a guess.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



"Chip Bartholomay" wrote in message
...
From the article:





O'Gorman suspects the turmoil in the Ontario fishery eventually will be
traced to the exotic species that have invaded the entire Great Lakes
system.

Interesting....the introduction of nonindigenous species is adversely
affecting
other nonindigenous species.
Alewives, rainbows, and the Pacific salmon (Chinook and Coho) were all
introduced into the Great Lakes. Curious that the article seems to make
no
mention of this.

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ... and as long as you continue to
send me hate-filled notes I will continue to respond, simply because you
need to understand that you cannot push people around with your disgusting
behavior.

A simple search on your name in Google groups tells me this is normal for
you. Besides, Mr. Fortenberry what would you be doing right now if you did
not have people like me to attack and debase? Are you that lonely? If you
are a Christian, I offer you the Prayer of St. Francis. I offer it,
regardless.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Mr. Fortenberry,
I encourage you to read the entire post again where you will find the
proper
attribution.

There was only this:

Click Here to read the article in the Post Standard.

That line was not proper attribution. You obviously did a cut and paste
from a source that did give attribution in the form of a link, but what
you posted here was text only. You dropped the URL, you friggin' moron.
You can Click Here until your ****in' finger falls off and there will
be no attribution.


If you want to send me hate mail
... Feel free: ...

I have no reason to correspond with you, but speaking of email, QUIT
sending it to me ! I don't need your fruitcake ramblings in my email.

... We might be able to utilize your services
on future publishing projects.

In your dreams, you stupid whackjob.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Good point. Probably because of the economic value of the sportfishery it
is assumed they cannot be done without, regardless. Just a guess.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net
"Chip Bartholomay" wrote in message
...
From the article:





O'Gorman suspects the turmoil in the Ontario fishery eventually will be
traced to the exotic species that have invaded the entire Great Lakes
system.

Interesting....the introduction of nonindigenous species is adversely
affecting
other nonindigenous species.
Alewives, rainbows, and the Pacific salmon (Chinook and Coho) were all
introduced into the Great Lakes. Curious that the article seems to make
no
mention of this.

Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ... and as long as you continue to
send me hate-filled notes I will continue to respond, simply because you
need to understand that you cannot push people around with your disgusting
behavior.

I've told you once, now I'm telling you again, do not send me email.
I have never in my life sent you email and I have no intention of ever
doing so. You'll learn a hard lesson from your ISP if you continue to
harass me via email.

A simple search on your name in Google groups tells me this is normal for
you. Besides, Mr. Fortenberry what would you be doing right now if you did
not have people like me to attack and debase? Are you that lonely? If you
are a Christian, I offer you the Prayer of St. Francis. I offer it,
regardless.

Attack and debase ? Good grief, you truly are a couple of sandwiches
short of a picnic. All this whining and mewling, in triplicate no less,
because a so-called editor was caught with his pants down around his
ankles violating copyright and plagiarizing. Address THAT issue, you
sanctimonious jackass. You're no better than Muskie and almost as
annoying, so please allow me to take this opportunity to extend to
you my most sincere invitation to go **** yourself.

AND QUIT SENDING ME EMAIL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Mr. Fortenberry,
The only thing you have caught is a case of bad manners. As usual you have
nothing constructive to offer.

Enjoy.

--
James Ehlers

Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net



"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
.com...
Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ... and as long as you continue
to
send me hate-filled notes I will continue to respond, simply because you
need to understand that you cannot push people around with your
disgusting
behavior.

I've told you once, now I'm telling you again, do not send me email.
I have never in my life sent you email and I have no intention of ever
doing so. You'll learn a hard lesson from your ISP if you continue to
harass me via email.

A simple search on your name in Google groups tells me this is normal
for
you. Besides, Mr. Fortenberry what would you be doing right now if you
did
not have people like me to attack and debase? Are you that lonely? If
you
are a Christian, I offer you the Prayer of St. Francis. I offer it,
regardless.

Attack and debase ? Good grief, you truly are a couple of sandwiches
short of a picnic. All this whining and mewling, in triplicate no less,
because a so-called editor was caught with his pants down around his
ankles violating copyright and plagiarizing. Address THAT issue, you
sanctimonious jackass. You're no better than Muskie and almost as
annoying, so please allow me to take this opportunity to extend to
you my most sincere invitation to go **** yourself.

AND QUIT SENDING ME EMAIL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ...

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ...

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ...

Can anyone remember on ROFF a more stultifying bore than Mr Magazine?

At least George knew something about fly fishing and that E-Bay tycoon
wannabee in Atlanta had some small amusement value.

JR

JR,
Seems Fortenberry is amusing enough for me. Not you?

Sincerely,
Mr. Magazine

--
James Ehlers
Outdoors Magazine
www.outdoorsmagazine.net


"JR" wrote in message
...
Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ...

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ...

Mr. Fortenberry,
I believe it is you that continues this ...

Can anyone remember on ROFF a more stultifying bore than Mr Magazine?

At least George knew something about fly fishing and that E-Bay tycoon
wannabee in Atlanta had some small amusement value.

JR

Outdoors Magazine wrote:

JR,
Seems Fortenberry is amusing enough for me. Not you?

That's Mr. JR to you, Magazine Boy.

JR
--Not surprised to find this one doesn't read English any better than it
writes it.

Outdoors Magazine wrote:

Mr. Fortenberry,
The only thing you have caught is a case of bad manners. As usual you have
nothing constructive to offer.

What do I have to do, draw you a ****in' picture ?

Posting an entire copyrighted article to a Usenet newsgroup is a
copyright violation. If you want us to read an article post ONLY
the URL, or if it's over 70 characters long do as I did and post
the output from http://tinyurl.com Remember this ?

http://tinyurl.com/x2u0

That's the way to do it, you feebleminded moron, and adding a
sentence or two, in your own words, telling us why this article
is of interest to us is good form also.

Now was that "constructive" enough for you ? I would be even
more "constructive", but Wolfie would never forgive me if I
chased your stupid ass out of here before he had a chance to
join in the fun.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Tom Littleton wrote:
Jim E asks:

At point in history do we decide is the demarcation
point between native and non?


exactly my point

Tom



The preservation of native species is something that is important to me
as is the preservation of natural environments.

The definitions of what constitutes a native species and natural
environments are basic foundations for preservation. I've given this
quite a bit of thought and it seems to me that both definitions need to
be based on the absence of man's influence. There seems to be a problem
with some people on ROFF accepting these definitions. For native, I
think I'll start using indigenous hoping that will be more understood.
But for a "natural" environment, I don't have another word to substitute.

The reason I bring this up is that it's fruitless to discuss an issue if
there aren't commonly held definitions. Without common definitions, the
essence of the discussion becomes lost.

Here's a challenge to you guys that have a problem with the definitions
of native and natural being based on mans' intervention:

Come up with a meaningful definition for either that doesn't specify an
arbitrary, specific time. I don't think you can do it without your
definition logically leading to accepting genetically engineered animals
as native or a nuclear wasteland as natural. Maybe for some of you a
genetically engineered animal could be native and a nuclear wasteland is
a natural environment. If so, we're on different planets when we're
having discussions using these words.

Willi



Willi