Non-felt wading boots review

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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 02:21:49 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On Aug 7, 8:39 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT), george9219

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On Aug 6, 11:20 am, Ken Fortenberry
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Alex Bell, a fly fishing guide in Sylva, North Cackcalacky reviews
some new wading boots with the non-felt soles in today's Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...806-phys-slide...

I guess he likes the Korkers better than the Simms.

Has anybody tried the Chota RockLoc with the rubber soles and
optional cleats ? I love my Chota STL Plus but they're showing
their age and I want to replace them with something that's
not felt. And I ain't paying over $200 for a pair of Korkers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of any of them. At best he said they
were almost as good as felt. The Korkers, he indicated were good along
the banks.
As far as cleaning goes, if he is concerned about getting small
amounts of sand out of the uppers, I would question his cleaning
procedure. Felts aren't really a problem to properly clean once you
understand that you are not going to manually remove all traces of a
one celled organism....you have to concentrate on killing it. Maine
has been doing a lot of research and has found soaking in a 5% salt
solution is adequate, and has set up cleaning stations on popular
trout streams. Freezing is also effective. I am 68 and can't afford to
break any bones, so it looks like I'll be buying another set of felts
before they stop making them.

A quick soak and rinse through a _mild_ household bleach solution (a
coupla
tablespoonfuls worth in a half-gallon Gatorade bottle of water) will
kill
all
sorts of nasties. If you're really concerned, use a half-cup of bleach
to
a
half-gallon of water, but be careful with it around anything you don't
want, um,
bleached...

TC,
R

Do not use gatorade or any other drink bottle for toxic stuff. Too many
people over the years have died or got very sick from this act.- Hide
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You have got to be kidding. In the dilution he suggested you would
have an acid solution somewhere between the acidity of a bitter lemon
and apple vinigar, or some especially rotgut wine. In any case,
definitly not WMD. Definitly.

Dave

Naw, fair's fair, and it's a good point. Friends and I use them because
we have
them around, but there are not toddlers around, and we don't let the
solution
sit in the container - not because of the accidental drinking worry, but
because
when such a mix is made, it is immediately used as "deck douche" (I do
keep a
bleach/water mix in a spray bottle on all my boats for the same general
purpose). OTOH, if there is the slightest danger of someone getting sick
from
something so simple to avoid, IMO, it's better to err on the side of
caution.

TC,
R

Right. It is the concept. Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.

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Ken Fortenberry wrote:
not felt. And I ain't paying over $200 for a pair of Korkers.

I use a pair of korkers wading boots with the same interchangeable
sole system but with the old fashioned tie your own laces for under
$100. http://korkers.com/product.php?recKey=36

I also use these for wet wading, they aren't much for preventing one
from sinking in mucky michigan streams as you witnessed but they have
worked great during my appalachian trips.

Well, now that the bruises have healed I feel it's only fair
to tell you that I rated that fall as only a quarter Reid.
The Russian judge may disagree but for me the hat has to be
floating freely downstream for a fall to be a full Reid and
you never even lost your hat.

I replaced my Chota felts with the Chota rubber soles. My next
trip is to northern Minnesota the first two weeks of September.
I'll have both pairs of boots with me so I'll be able to compare
them. I'll post a felt vs. rubber gear review from Grand Marais.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 2009-08-08 16:16:21 -0400, "Calif Bill" said:

Right. It is the concept. Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.

Yeah, like Budweiser, Laphroaig, and Lagavulin,

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT), george9219

wrote:

On Aug 6, 11:20 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Alex Bell, a fly fishing guide in Sylva, North Cackcalacky reviews
some new wading boots with the non-felt soles in today's Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...806-phys-slide...

I guess he likes the Korkers better than the Simms.

Has anybody tried the Chota RockLoc with the rubber soles and
optional cleats ? I love my Chota STL Plus but they're showing
their age and I want to replace them with something that's
not felt. And I ain't paying over $200 for a pair of Korkers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of any of them. At best he said they
were almost as good as felt. The Korkers, he indicated were good along
the banks.
As far as cleaning goes, if he is concerned about getting small
amounts of sand out of the uppers, I would question his cleaning
procedure. Felts aren't really a problem to properly clean once you
understand that you are not going to manually remove all traces of a
one celled organism....you have to concentrate on killing it. Maine
has been doing a lot of research and has found soaking in a 5% salt
solution is adequate, and has set up cleaning stations on popular
trout streams. Freezing is also effective. I am 68 and can't afford to
break any bones, so it looks like I'll be buying another set of felts
before they stop making them.

A quick soak and rinse through a _mild_ household bleach solution (a
coupla
tablespoonfuls worth in a half-gallon Gatorade bottle of water) will
kill
all
sorts of nasties. If you're really concerned, use a half-cup of bleach
to
a
half-gallon of water, but be careful with it around anything you don't
want, um,
bleached...

TC,
R

Do not use gatorade or any other drink bottle for toxic stuff. Too many
people over the years have died or got very sick from this act.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have got to be kidding. In the dilution he suggested you would
have an acid solution somewhere between the acidity of a bitter lemon
and apple vinigar, or some especially rotgut wine. In any case,
definitly not WMD. Definitly.

Dave

Naw, fair's fair, and it's a good point. Friends and I use them because
we have
them around, but there are not toddlers around, and we don't let the
solution
sit in the container - not because of the accidental drinking worry, but
because
when such a mix is made, it is immediately used as "deck douche" (I do
keep a
bleach/water mix in a spray bottle on all my boats for the same general
purpose). OTOH, if there is the slightest danger of someone getting sick
from
something so simple to avoid, IMO, it's better to err on the side of
caution.

TC,
R

Right. It is the concept. Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.

While I agree about _ever_ placing a _poisonous_ substance in a drink bottle, or
placing anything not intended for consumption in one that _might_ be
accidentally consumed by an unknowing person, just to be clear - a couple of
tablespoons of bleach in a half-gallon of water is not, as such, "poison." While
I wouldn't recommend or suggest drinking it, it isn't "poison," and is perfectly
safe to use as a disinfecting solution on most items (not anything highly
sensitive to bleaching). In fact, a few drops of bleach per gallon of suspect
water is an emergency water purifier.

TC,
R

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT), george9219

wrote:

On Aug 6, 11:20 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Alex Bell, a fly fishing guide in Sylva, North Cackcalacky reviews
some new wading boots with the non-felt soles in today's Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...806-phys-slide...

I guess he likes the Korkers better than the Simms.

Has anybody tried the Chota RockLoc with the rubber soles and
optional cleats ? I love my Chota STL Plus but they're showing
their age and I want to replace them with something that's
not felt. And I ain't paying over $200 for a pair of Korkers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of any of them. At best he said they
were almost as good as felt. The Korkers, he indicated were good along
the banks.
As far as cleaning goes, if he is concerned about getting small
amounts of sand out of the uppers, I would question his cleaning
procedure. Felts aren't really a problem to properly clean once you
understand that you are not going to manually remove all traces of a
one celled organism....you have to concentrate on killing it. Maine
has been doing a lot of research and has found soaking in a 5% salt
solution is adequate, and has set up cleaning stations on popular
trout streams. Freezing is also effective. I am 68 and can't afford to
break any bones, so it looks like I'll be buying another set of felts
before they stop making them.

A quick soak and rinse through a _mild_ household bleach solution (a
coupla
tablespoonfuls worth in a half-gallon Gatorade bottle of water) will
kill
all
sorts of nasties. If you're really concerned, use a half-cup of bleach
to
a
half-gallon of water, but be careful with it around anything you don't
want, um,
bleached...

TC,
R

Do not use gatorade or any other drink bottle for toxic stuff. Too many
people over the years have died or got very sick from this act.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have got to be kidding. In the dilution he suggested you would
have an acid solution somewhere between the acidity of a bitter lemon
and apple vinigar, or some especially rotgut wine. In any case,
definitly not WMD. Definitly.

Dave

Naw, fair's fair, and it's a good point. Friends and I use them because
we have
them around, but there are not toddlers around, and we don't let the
solution
sit in the container - not because of the accidental drinking worry, but
because
when such a mix is made, it is immediately used as "deck douche" (I do
keep a
bleach/water mix in a spray bottle on all my boats for the same general
purpose). OTOH, if there is the slightest danger of someone getting sick
from
something so simple to avoid, IMO, it's better to err on the side of
caution.

TC,
R

Right. It is the concept. Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.


While I agree about _ever_ placing a _poisonous_ substance in a drink bottle, or
placing anything not intended for consumption in one that _might_ be
accidentally consumed by an unknowing person, just to be clear - a couple of
tablespoons of bleach in a half-gallon of water is not, as such, "poison." While
I wouldn't recommend or suggest drinking it, it isn't "poison," and is perfectly
safe to use as a disinfecting solution on most items (not anything highly
sensitive to bleaching). In fact, a few drops of bleach per gallon of suspect
water is an emergency water purifier.

TC,
R

I like to go through other people's medicine cabinets and replace their
eye drops with neat lemon juice. It's important to remove the seeds.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

David LaCourse wrote:
"Calif Bill" said:
Right. It is the concept. Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.

Yeah, like Budweiser, Laphroaig, and Lagavulin,

Lagavulin is poison ? And this from a candy-assed candy drinker who
drinks Dram-****in-booie ?!!? Mixed with Vermouth !!!!!

Good gawd almighty, just cut off your goddamn manhood, thrust it
skyward clasped in your palsied old palm and proclaim to the world;
"I'm Dave LaCourse and I am a Pussy !!!! "

As if we didn't know that already.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 02:21:49 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On Aug 7, 8:39 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT), george9219

wrote:

On Aug 6, 11:20 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Alex Bell, a fly fishing guide in Sylva, North Cackcalacky reviews
some new wading boots with the non-felt soles in today's Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...806-phys-slide...

I guess he likes the Korkers better than the Simms.

Has anybody tried the Chota RockLoc with the rubber soles and
optional cleats ? I love my Chota STL Plus but they're showing
their age and I want to replace them with something that's
not felt. And I ain't paying over $200 for a pair of Korkers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of any of them. At best he said they
were almost as good as felt. The Korkers, he indicated were good along
the banks.
As far as cleaning goes, if he is concerned about getting small
amounts of sand out of the uppers, I would question his cleaning
procedure. Felts aren't really a problem to properly clean once you
understand that you are not going to manually remove all traces of a
one celled organism....you have to concentrate on killing it. Maine
has been doing a lot of research and has found soaking in a 5% salt
solution is adequate, and has set up cleaning stations on popular
trout streams. Freezing is also effective. I am 68 and can't afford to
break any bones, so it looks like I'll be buying another set of felts
before they stop making them.

A quick soak and rinse through a _mild_ household bleach solution (a
coupla
tablespoonfuls worth in a half-gallon Gatorade bottle of water) will
kill
all
sorts of nasties. If you're really concerned, use a half-cup of bleach
to
a
half-gallon of water, but be careful with it around anything you don't
want, um,
bleached...

TC,
R

Do not use gatorade or any other drink bottle for toxic stuff. Too many
people over the years have died or got very sick from this act.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have got to be kidding. In the dilution he suggested you would
have an acid solution somewhere between the acidity of a bitter lemon
and apple vinigar, or some especially rotgut wine. In any case,
definitly not WMD. Definitly.

Dave

Naw, fair's fair, and it's a good point. *Friends and I use them because
we have
them around, but there are not toddlers around, and we don't let the
solution
sit in the container - not because of the accidental drinking worry, but
because
when such a mix is made, it is immediately used as "deck douche" (I do
keep a
bleach/water mix in a spray bottle on all my boats for the same general
purpose). *OTOH, if there is the slightest danger of someone getting sick
from
something so simple to avoid, IMO, it's better to err on the side of
caution.

TC,
R

Right. *It is the concept. *Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Concept your ass. Chlorine "bleach" IS THE basic water "purifier"
across the country. What do you think they use? What do you put in a
pool? Its steam or "bleach" the world over and KNOWLEDGE of basic chem
by adults will go a lot further in protecting kids than pretending
that a little bleach in water constitutes a "poison."

Dave
Bleach and Ammonia = a whole nudder thang

On Aug 8, 6:56*pm, rw wrote:
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:16:21 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 02:21:49 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:

On Aug 7, 8:39 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT), george9219

wrote:

On Aug 6, 11:20 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Alex Bell, a fly fishing guide in Sylva, North Cackcalacky reviews
some new wading boots with the non-felt soles in today's Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/200...806-phys-slide...

I guess he likes the Korkers better than the Simms.

Has anybody tried the Chota RockLoc with the rubber soles and
optional cleats ? I love my Chota STL Plus but they're showing
their age and I want to replace them with something that's
not felt. And I ain't paying over $200 for a pair of Korkers.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of any of them. At best he said they
were almost as good as felt. The Korkers, he indicated were good along
the banks.
As far as cleaning goes, if he is concerned about getting small
amounts of sand out of the uppers, I would question his cleaning
procedure. Felts aren't really a problem to properly clean once you
understand that you are not going to manually remove all traces of a
one celled organism....you have to concentrate on killing it. Maine
has been doing a lot of research and has found soaking in a 5% salt
solution is adequate, and has set up cleaning stations on popular
trout streams. Freezing is also effective. I am 68 and can't afford to
break any bones, so it looks like I'll be buying another set of felts
before they stop making them.

A quick soak and rinse through a _mild_ household bleach solution (a
coupla
tablespoonfuls worth in a half-gallon Gatorade bottle of water) will
kill
all
sorts of nasties. If you're really concerned, use a half-cup of bleach
to
a
half-gallon of water, but be careful with it around anything you don't
want, um,
bleached...

TC,
R

Do not use gatorade or any other drink bottle for toxic stuff. Too many
people over the years have died or got very sick from this act.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You have got to be kidding. In the dilution he suggested you would
have an acid solution somewhere between the acidity of a bitter lemon
and apple vinigar, or some especially rotgut wine. In any case,
definitly not WMD. Definitly.

Dave

Naw, fair's fair, and it's a good point. *Friends and I use them because
we have
them around, but there are not toddlers around, and we don't let the
solution
sit in the container - not because of the accidental drinking worry, but
because
when such a mix is made, it is immediately used as "deck douche" (I do
keep a
bleach/water mix in a spray bottle on all my boats for the same general
purpose). *OTOH, if there is the slightest danger of someone getting sick
from
something so simple to avoid, IMO, it's better to err on the side of
caution.

TC,
R

Right. *It is the concept. *Too many kids and some adults have died from
drinking what they thought was good stuff, and found out it was poison.

While I agree about _ever_ placing a _poisonous_ substance in a drink bottle, or
placing anything not intended for consumption in one that _might_ be
accidentally consumed by an unknowing person, just to be clear - a couple of
tablespoons of bleach in a half-gallon of water is not, as such, "poison." While
I wouldn't recommend or suggest drinking it, it isn't "poison," and is perfectly
safe to use as a disinfecting solution on most items (not anything highly
sensitive to bleaching). *In fact, a few drops of bleach per gallon of suspect
water is an emergency water purifier.

TC,
R

I like to go through other people's medicine cabinets and replace their
eye drops with neat lemon juice. It's important to remove the seeds.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.- Hide quoted text -

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And then there is the old pickle in the eye technique.

Dave

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:56:52 -0600, rw wrote:


I like to go through other people's medicine cabinets and replace their
eye drops with neat lemon juice. It's important to remove the seeds.

Only an uptight woman or a drug addict would "go through" someone else's
medicine cabinets...

Geez, you're a fag,
R

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:10:09 -0700 (PDT), DaveS wrote:



Concept your ass.

Settle down, Francis...

HTH,
R