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tunderbar wrote:
On Aug 19, 6:28 pm, "E.A." wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090819/..._contamination Quote: "The main source of mercury to most of the streams tested, according to the researchers, is emissions from coal-fired power plants. The mercury released from smokestacks here and abroad rains down into waterways, where natural processes convert it into methylmercury — a form that allows the toxin to wind its way up the food chain into fish." ----- Those who think they have insight on nature's (macro) workings just because they fish and hunt (micro activities) should study that article and think again. The ecologically-ignorant are constantly claiming "we understand nature better than you (implying city- dwellers) because we TAKE stuff from it all the time." They don't see that takers aren't sages, and often have conflicts of interest with larger concerns. Rustic know-it-alls keep overlooking the difference between the whole picture and tunnel-vision. The ability to cast a line and sight a gun in a local pond or woods does not educate you on the global status of all species. It doesn't even come close. Someone shooting plentiful deer in Michigan would have no knowledge of shrinking elephant populations, unless it came from evidence collected in Africa. Likewise, one can't learn global CLIMATE patterns by observing a backyard WEATHER station and calling Glenn Beck when there's a colder than normal day. That sort of myopia gets delivered with smug intensity by "skeptics" of any scientific evidence that Man is messing up the globe. They only know what makes them feel righteous in their own hamlets. Of course, not everyone in rural Amurrica is scientifically-illiterate, but the prevalence of Flat-Earthism is higher. It's not easy to grasp the full impact of human overpopulation on the planet, especially if you were born and raised in a sparsely populated area. You don't experience the "feel" of overcrowding and the mindlessly growing needs of the human race. With global annual growth of 75,000,000+ people, the needs of civilization extend planet-wide, even if they aren't obvious things like farmland as far as the eye can see. Millions of acres of cropland and pasture are mere extensions of big population centers, which would fail without all that open land. Yet people keep suburbanizing that very farmland, calling it "economic growth" because housing-starts are a "leading economic indicator" (of mindless overcrowding). Getting back to the main topic, two "invisible" examples of human impact are coal plant CO2 emissions and mercury that ends up in fish. The typical AGW-denier also dismisses the need for stronger particulate pollution laws. It's called compound ignorance. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ Nature gives you everything and owes you nothing. Thank you for illustrating a number of very valid points, for once. There are plenty of real honest reasons for regulating industry, including the coal energy industry. Directly polluting the environment with actual known pollutants like mercury is unacceptable. Just don't try to pretend that CO2 has anything to do with climate change. Or that man is altering the climate with CO2. Or that CO2 is some kind of pollutant, because it most definitely is not. And don't try to claim that wild fires is proof of agw. Or that a hot summer, 1998 for example, is proof of anything related to climate. Or that an ice shelf that collapses every few years is a sign of catastrophic anything. Or that Mann's cherry-picked and manipulated fudged numbers mean anything. Or that Hansen has any credibility as a scientist. Or that the IPCC is anything other than an ideologically motivated bunch of activists and politicians. As usual, tundy just makes **** up. |
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On Aug 20, 1:18*pm, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote:
tunderbar wrote: On Aug 19, 6:28 pm, "E.A." wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090819/..._contamination Quote: "The main source of mercury to most of the streams tested, according to the researchers, is emissions from coal-fired power plants. The mercury released from smokestacks here and abroad rains down into waterways, where natural processes convert it into methylmercury — a form that allows the toxin to wind its way up the food chain into fish." ----- Those who think they have insight on nature's (macro) workings just because they fish and hunt (micro activities) should study that article and think again. The ecologically-ignorant are constantly claiming "we understand nature better than you (implying city- dwellers) because we TAKE stuff from it all the time." They don't see that takers aren't sages, and often have conflicts of interest with larger concerns. Rustic know-it-alls keep overlooking the difference between the whole picture and tunnel-vision. The ability to cast a line and sight a gun in a local pond or woods does not educate you on the global status of all species. It doesn't even come close. Someone shooting plentiful deer in Michigan would have no knowledge of shrinking elephant populations, unless it came from evidence collected in Africa. Likewise, one can't learn global CLIMATE patterns by observing a backyard WEATHER station and calling Glenn Beck when there's a colder than normal day. That sort of myopia gets delivered with smug intensity by "skeptics" of any scientific evidence that Man is messing up the globe. They only know what makes them feel righteous in their own hamlets. Of course, not everyone in rural Amurrica is scientifically-illiterate, but the prevalence of Flat-Earthism is higher. It's not easy to grasp the full impact of human overpopulation on the planet, especially if you were born and raised in a sparsely populated area. You don't experience the "feel" of overcrowding and the mindlessly growing needs of the human race. With global annual growth of 75,000,000+ people, the needs of civilization extend planet-wide, even if they aren't obvious things like farmland as far as the eye can see. Millions of acres of cropland and pasture are mere extensions of big population centers, which would fail without all that open land. Yet people keep suburbanizing that very farmland, calling it "economic growth" because housing-starts are a "leading economic indicator" (of mindless overcrowding). Getting back to the main topic, two "invisible" examples of human impact are coal plant CO2 emissions and mercury that ends up in fish. The typical AGW-denier also dismisses the need for stronger particulate pollution laws. It's called compound ignorance. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ Nature gives you everything and owes you nothing. Thank you for illustrating a number of very valid points, for once. There are plenty of real honest reasons for regulating industry, including the coal energy industry. Directly polluting the environment with actual known pollutants like mercury is unacceptable. Just don't try to pretend that CO2 has anything to do with climate change. Or that man is altering the climate with CO2. Or that CO2 is some kind of pollutant, because it most definitely is not. And don't try to claim that wild fires is proof of agw. Or that a hot summer, 1998 for example, is proof of anything related to climate. Or that an ice shelf that collapses every few years is a sign of catastrophic anything. Or that Mann's cherry-picked and manipulated fudged numbers mean anything. Or that Hansen has any credibility as a scientist. Or that the IPCC is anything other than an ideologically motivated bunch of activists and politicians. * As usual, tundy just makes **** up. As usual, arseholesex has nothing to add to the discussion but ad hominem. |
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