No fish

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

I've listened to enough of Limbaugh's drivel to know that
anyone who mistakes that nonsense for serious political
commentary has **** for brains and is easily duped. And
that is an opinion from someone who is more open-minded
than an idiot like you will ever be.

Hi Ken,

I have a close, dear liberal friend whose opinion
I highly respect. He is fascinating to listen to
when he has researched a subject. I may have been
projecting his personality on to you because you
were both liberal.

He also listens to Rush, but only the sound clips
he hears on leftist MSNBC, etc.. Quite a few times
he has complained to me about something Rush has
said that I actually heard the entire statement on
Rush's show. When I told him the entire statement,
he was puzzled as to how something could be presented
so out of context (bearing false witness by the way).

Since you sound so similar to my fried on Rush, I
thought you were doing the same thing: listening
to things out of context.

Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.


As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Thank you for the link. I will check it out.
-T

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.


As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Go **** yourself, nitwit. You are way too stupid to merit
civil discourse.

Thank you for the link. I will check it out.

Yeah, sure you will.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sep 9, 12:31*pm, Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Limbaugh is a clown, a running joke, an embarrassment
to thinking conservatives and he most certainly does
not represent the educated and articulate conservative
point of view in a debate between liberals and conservatives.
For reasoned conservative discourse you'll need to read, as
I do, Krauthammer, Will, Brooks, Gerson, Gingrich and Cal
Thomas. Listening to Limbaugh is in no way listening to a
reasoned opinion.

If you really want work on curing your abysmal ignorance
subscribe to this new quarterly and read it cover to cover:

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/

You'll find essays with meat on them from both conservatives
and liberals instead of the steady diet of feel-good cotton
candy Limbaugh dishes out to entertain morons like you.

As I listen to Rush, I can tell you he actually
very articulate. *So, we will have to disagree on that one.

Just as an aside, all the swearing and name calling
makes your argument very weak.

Thank you for the link. *I will check it out.
-T- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Rush is a druggie, plain and simple. Sadly, Rush is on record as a
sufferer of a disease/affliction often associated with unprotected
anal abuse, given as the reason he obtained large quantities of drugs
illegally. Rush has failed in an abnormal number of heterosexual
relationships. Rush has had a limited formal education. Rush had
trouble with his computational skills and numbers in general. Rush is
a glutton, a heavy smoker and drinker. Do you think these life
experiences influence his thinking? Are these some of his qualities
that attract you to him? Why?

Dave

DaveS wrote:
Rush is a druggie, plain and simple. Sadly, Rush is on record as a
sufferer of a disease/affliction often associated with unprotected
anal abuse, given as the reason he obtained large quantities of drugs
illegally. Rush has failed in an abnormal number of heterosexual
relationships. Rush has had a limited formal education. Rush had
trouble with his computational skills and numbers in general. Rush is
a glutton, a heavy smoker and drinker. Do you think these life
experiences influence his thinking? Are these some of his qualities
that attract you to him? Why?

Dave

Hi Dave,

I know a lot of very smart people that did not go to
college and a lot of dumb ones that did. Ditto
for those who don't know what the "any key" is and
those that smoke. I know a lot of divorced people too
of all shades. Those qualities have zero to do
with one's ability to form a decent argument.

Rush' prescription drug problems were from that evil
oxi-crap stuff he was taking for his back, not his anus.
That evil oxi-crap is a one dose addition. A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. (The oxi-crap/back problems
I heard out of his own mouth.)

I believe in limited government, freedom, and personal responsibility.
Rush agrees with me. He does a very good job or articulating these
values. By the way, because a person disagrees with you, does not
mean he is not articulate. A lot of us conservatives think
that [Bill] Clinton was the consummate politician, disagree
with him as we may. The same goes for our current president and
his silver tongued teleprompter (articulate but not a very
good politician, Clinton runs circles around him).

May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
It is his words that I am listening to. Judging people
by the strength of their character rather than the color
of their skin is moral point that should resonate with all
of us, even if he did plagiarize that too.

Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? Judge Rush by
his words and leave his personal life out of it. (By
"words", I mean words out of his own mouth, not hatchet
jobs by political commentators/propagandists posing
unbiased journalists.)

By the way, there is nothing wrong with saying "I don't
listen to [insert name here] because I do not like him
so I will not comment on what I did not hear him say".

Agreeing with Rush's and Dr. King's words, does not make
me want to emulate either of their personal lives. And,
yes, it is a pity that Rush can not stay married for his
life. (It is easy, just listen to your wives. That
would be St. Paul's teaching. Pampering them a little
bit helps too.)

Thank you for just stating your point and forgoing the
swearing and name calling (Brown Shirt tactics). Makes
a person much more likely to listen to you and not think
you are intolerant and close minded (and just plain mean and
uncivil). I have a close liberal friend and I love to hear
his analysis of things as he does mine. In the end, we agree
on almost nothing, but we both appreciate the other hearing
us out and respecting the others thoughts. Respect is
a good thing in a friendship.

And lastly HAVE YOU DONE ANY FISHING LATELY! :-)

-T

On Sep 11, 4:28*pm, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Rush is a druggie, plain and simple. Sadly, Rush is on record as a
sufferer of a disease/affliction often associated with unprotected
anal abuse, given as the reason he obtained large quantities of drugs
illegally. Rush has failed in an abnormal number of heterosexual
relationships. Rush has had a limited formal education. Rush had
trouble with his computational skills and numbers in general. Rush is
a glutton, a heavy smoker and drinker. Do you think these life
experiences influence his thinking? Are these some of his qualities
that attract you to him? Why?

Dave

Hi Dave,

I know a lot of very smart people that did not go to
college and a lot of dumb ones that did. *Ditto
for those who don't know what the "any key" is and
those that smoke. *I know a lot of divorced people too
of all shades. *Those qualities have zero to do
with one's ability to form a decent argument.

Rush' prescription drug problems were from that evil
oxi-crap stuff he was taking for his back, not his anus.
That evil oxi-crap is a one dose addition. *A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. *(The oxi-crap/back problems
I heard out of his own mouth.)

I believe in limited government, freedom, and personal responsibility.
Rush agrees with me. *He does a very good job or articulating these
values. *By the way, because a person disagrees with you, does not
mean he is not articulate. *A lot of us conservatives think
that [Bill] Clinton was the consummate politician, disagree
with him as we may. *The same goes for our current president and
his silver tongued teleprompter (articulate but not a very
good politician, Clinton runs circles around him).

May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
It is his words that I am listening to. *Judging people
by the strength of their character rather than the color
of their skin is moral point that should resonate with all
of us, even if he did plagiarize that too.

Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? *Judge Rush by
his words and leave his personal life out of it. *(By
"words", I mean words out of his own mouth, not hatchet
jobs by political commentators/propagandists posing
unbiased journalists.)

By the way, there is nothing wrong with saying "I don't
listen to [insert name here] because I do not like him
so I will not comment on what I did not hear him say".

Agreeing with Rush's and Dr. King's words, does not make
me want to emulate either of their personal lives. *And,
yes, it is a pity that Rush can not stay married for his
life. *(It is easy, just listen to your wives. *That
would be St. Paul's teaching. *Pampering them a little
bit helps too.)

Thank you for just stating your point and forgoing the
swearing and name calling (Brown Shirt tactics). *Makes
a person much more likely to listen to you and not think
you are intolerant and close minded (and just plain mean and
uncivil). *I have a close liberal friend and I love to hear
his analysis of things as he does mine. *In the end, we agree
on almost nothing, but we both appreciate the other hearing
us out and respecting the others thoughts. *Respect is
a good thing in a friendship.

And lastly HAVE YOU DONE ANY FISHING LATELY! :-)

-T
But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

And yes I fish, for fish.

Dave
Maybe you should take this to Alt: MYPrisonMinistry. rec.indoor.oxi ?

DaveS wrote:

But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

I thought I was pretty clear. To put it more bluntly, I think
you are trying to smear Rush and I don't believe you.

You also missed my point. Judge him by his words. And, keep
it in the arena of ideas.

To me, this is what you are saying. Rush: I think government
should get out of our lives. DaveS: yeh, yeh, well he can't
pee straight. In other words you can't make a rational
argument, so you jump to the gutter.

What you should say is "I don't not agree with Rush because ..."
This is the arena of ideas.

You will never convince anyone of your ideas by jumping
to the gutter. On the other hand, if you present a reasoned
argument, people will usually listen. Smear people
you disagree with only makes you look close minded and
not very nice to associate with.

Pull it out of the gutter. Make rational arguments.
Approach the people you disagree with in friendship.

-T

On Sep 12, 11:49*am, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

I thought I was pretty clear. *To put it more bluntly, I think
you are trying to smear Rush and I don't believe you.

You also missed my point. *Judge him by his words. *And, keep
it in the arena of ideas.

To me, this is what you are saying. *Rush: I think government
should get out of our lives. *DaveS: *yeh, yeh, well he can't
pee straight. *In other words you can't make a rational
argument, so you jump to the gutter.

What you should say is "I don't not agree with Rush because ..."
This is the arena of ideas.

You will never convince anyone of your ideas by jumping
to the gutter. *On the other hand, if you present a reasoned
argument, people will usually listen. *Smear people
you disagree with only makes you look close minded and
not very nice to associate with.

Pull it out of the gutter. *Make rational arguments.
Approach the people you disagree with in friendship.

-T

Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave

Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. ...
snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sep 12, 8:08*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Todd wrote:

... A lot of
people hate Rush and make a lot of nasty stuff up about him.
Be careful of your sources. *...
snip
May I point out that Martin Luther King was an absolute pig
in his personal life (hookers, communists, plagiarism).
snip
Are Martin Luther King's words to be discounted
because he had a thing for white hookers? ...

Classic racist drivel. Everybody knows da brothers love da
white hoes and everybody knows da white hoes want to get
it on with da brothers.

Todd, in the short time you've been fouling roff with your
hate-filled ignorance you have proven yourself to be a proud
card-carrying member of the American Taliban. Jesus would
take one short look at an allegedly christian creep like you
and puke all over his Birkenstocks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Oh I don't know. Todd and Beancounter have done more to convince me
that I need to own more guns than the NRA ever could. I hope he
continues to share. It just might push more of the real conservatives
and Republicans to take back their Party from these whack job minions
of Satin.

Dave