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On Sep 12, 11:49*am, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
But you really are avoiding the question.
Rush has been and for all i know still is a drug addict, with an anus
centered affliction often associated with rough anal sex. He is a
heavy smoker and drinker, a glutton, apparently a lousy husband and
date, can't count, sucks the juice out of old harmonicas and ****es
crooked.

Do you think these life experiences influence his thinking? Are these
some of his qualities that attract you to him? Why?

I thought I was pretty clear. *To put it more bluntly, I think
you are trying to smear Rush and I don't believe you.

You also missed my point. *Judge him by his words. *And, keep
it in the arena of ideas.

To me, this is what you are saying. *Rush: I think government
should get out of our lives. *DaveS: *yeh, yeh, well he can't
pee straight. *In other words you can't make a rational
argument, so you jump to the gutter.

What you should say is "I don't not agree with Rush because ..."
This is the arena of ideas.

You will never convince anyone of your ideas by jumping
to the gutter. *On the other hand, if you present a reasoned
argument, people will usually listen. *Smear people
you disagree with only makes you look close minded and
not very nice to associate with.

Pull it out of the gutter. *Make rational arguments.
Approach the people you disagree with in friendship.

-T

Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave

DaveS wrote:
Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave


Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi. Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared. Reminds me of the adult
version of covering one ears and chanting LA LA LA.
It is an effective way of hearing anyone else's opinion.

Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

-T

On Sep 13, 12:37*pm, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." *I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. *I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. *I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Dave

Wow. *Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi. *Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared. *Reminds me of the adult
version of covering one ears and chanting LA LA LA.
It is an effective way of hearing anyone else's opinion.

Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

-T- Hide quoted text -

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No, I don't have a permanent problem with folks who only have
different political views than mine, IF I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OTHERWISE
DECENT CONRIBUTERS TO MY COUNTRY AND THE OTHER THINGS I CARE ABOUT. I
have a deepening problem with you very specifically because of your
racist and fanatical hate statements, which you wrap in Jesus talk,
like you had it on his authority. And how you couple the Jesus stuff,
with your slothful and slavish Rush worship I find disgusting and
hypocritical. You need to earn some creditability before you go
telling others on a recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Stop idolizing scumbags like Rush, and you just might have time to
read and talk to Muslims, Jews and Catholics and clear some of the
hate from your mind.

DaveS wrote:

No, I don't have a permanent problem with folks who only have
different political views than mine, IF I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OTHERWISE
DECENT CONRIBUTERS TO MY COUNTRY AND THE OTHER THINGS I CARE ABOUT. I
have a deepening problem with you very specifically because of your
racist and fanatical hate statements, which you wrap in Jesus talk,
like you had it on his authority. And how you couple the Jesus stuff,
with your slothful and slavish Rush worship I find disgusting and
hypocritical. You need to earn some creditability before you go
telling others on a recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Stop idolizing scumbags like Rush, and you just might have time to
read and talk to Muslims, Jews and Catholics and clear some of the
hate from your mind.


Dave,

You are just being mean. You are also slurring me. And,
you have some rather strange, preconceived ideas of others.
How would you like it if I pulled a bunch of the meanest insults I
could think of out of the air and flung them at you. "Okay,
you are a [insert the meanest insult you can think of here],
now defend yourself." You would not care for it.

Be respectful. Keep it to the arena of ideas. People
will mostly listen to you. Slur folks who don't
agree with you and they will just think you are
closed minded and mean spirited.

-T

On Sep 13, 7:44*pm, Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
No, I don't have a permanent problem with folks who only have
different political views than mine, IF I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OTHERWISE
DECENT CONRIBUTERS TO MY COUNTRY AND THE OTHER THINGS I CARE ABOUT. I
have a deepening problem with you very specifically because of your
racist and fanatical hate statements, which you wrap in Jesus talk,
like you had it on his authority. And how you couple the Jesus stuff,
with your slothful and slavish Rush worship I find disgusting and
hypocritical. You need to earn some creditability before you go
telling others on a recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Stop idolizing scumbags like Rush, and you just might have time to
read and talk to Muslims, Jews and Catholics and clear some of the
hate from your mind.

Dave,

You are just being mean. *You are also slurring me. *And,
you have some rather strange, preconceived ideas of others.
How would you like it if I pulled a bunch of the meanest insults I
could think of out of the air and flung them at you. *"Okay,
you are a [insert the meanest insult you can think of here],
now defend yourself." *You would not care for it.

Be respectful. *Keep it to the arena of ideas. *People
will mostly listen to you. *Slur folks who don't
agree with you and they will just think you are
closed minded and mean spirited.

-T- Hide quoted text -

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Don't be such a pussy. As I have said . . .
You need to earn some creditability before you go telling others on a
recreational group how they should access YOUR
notion of Jesus. Want some respect? Lets hear what you personally are
doing to clean up corruption and abuse in your own sect. What have you
done to make whole the people you have wronged in your life? Until you
have that creditability it is pure vainity to go preaching to others
without a major dose of humility. If you want to be a missionary get
some training and some attitude adjustment, or mostly you will just
**** people off.

Dave
Theocracy sucks

Todd wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Just admit it. Rush is a scumbag but you like what he says. Don't even
pretend that your politics are reasoned. Folks like you have rolled
around in snake religion so long you think blue bottles are doves.
There is an old book entitled "The True Believer," by Vance Packard.
Read it sometime, its all about your kind of thinking. And Todd, you
are not a real conservative.

In my experience most of the folks who spout your racist, intolerant
crap, pretending they get it straight from God have not read the
Christian Bible or any other book of spiritual teaching cover to
cover, they usually have some shameful honkey tonken in their past,
some kids they don't support, a history of welfare abuse and too often
sexual and/or child abuse. They oscillate between social service
agencies and sect churches and back again. But somehow Jesus frees
them from guilt or being men and taking responsibility for their sins.
They almost always think their particular sect is the one and only way
and historically have preyed upon weaker sects and vunerable people.
If you are sincere get humble and go work on that crowd of your fallen
brethern, or maybe yourself.

As for your BS about government and your slurring the patriotism of
Americans you call "liberals." I will just say this. If we meet in
the next few years keep that stuff to yourself. I don't care if you
are wearing your pastor collar or have your Madrasa diploma in your
pocket. I have no tolerance or impluse control for new folk who think
they can pull that **** on me. I am not like your "liberal friend."
the patsy.

Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi.

And it seems to me you didn't bother to deny any part of
the characterization. Hits pretty close, eh ?

Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared.

That's a lie. And a smear. Many here have had substantive
disagreements and arguments with Dave and, when appropriate,
Dave is always respectful of opposing views.

snip
Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

Haven't you ever wondered why Limbaugh never appears on the Sunday
morning talking head shows ? You know, those roundtables where the
liberal Paul Krugman openly laughs at the economic naivete' of the
conservative George Will ?

You pray about that Todd and see what Jesus tells you. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Wow. Talk about smearing and name calling. Seems to me
you left off space alien and Nazi.

And it seems to me you didn't bother to deny any part of
the characterization. Hits pretty close, eh ?

Actually, I though he was just flinging insults because
he could not form an argument.


Everyone you disagree
with gets automatically smeared.

That's a lie. And a smear. Many here have had substantive
disagreements and arguments with Dave and, when appropriate,
Dave is always respectful of opposing views.

I stand corrected. You pick and choose who you
insult. My apologies.

snip
Living in a representative democracy, with all the
necessary open debate, must drive you nuts.

One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

What is with you and the insults?


Haven't you ever wondered why Limbaugh never appears on the Sunday
morning talking head shows ? You know, those roundtables where the
liberal Paul Krugman openly laughs at the economic naivete' of the
conservative George Will ?

If you had listened to Rush, he would have told you why. He
mentions it about once a week. The reason I do not believe
you listen to Rush is that you can only fling insults at
him and not argue in the arena if ideas.


You pray about that Todd and see what Jesus tells you. LOL !!


Jesus said those that hate him will hate you too. Just
the way things are.

-T

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
One cannot "debate" with someone who is intellectually unable
to articulate and defend a coherent argument. Your problem Todd
is that you believe your regurgitating Limbaugh deserves all the
respect accorded reasoned discourse simply because you believe it.
Sorry dude, you're woefully ignorant and your arguments do not
deserve consideration, respect or debate.

What is with you and the insults?

Why do you want to insist that the honest truth is an insult ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Okay Todd. I'm a Democrat that listens to Rush. This work for you?
Things in the last two weeks that he has spouted that are totally
wrong that I've heard. (not a complete laundry list, just a couple of
things I heard whilst driving)
Clinton cowardly pulled us out of the Philippines. Check it out, the
Philippine government blackmailed us and quadrupled the amount of
money they wanted so that we could keep our bases there. Our carriers
would do the job for a cheaper price. With everyone in the military
saying get us out, we left.
Government workers don't don't pay into Social Security - Oh, come on
now, you know how many times I've heard this from Rush, Glenn Beck and
Savage? Yes we do. He confuses Senators with the rest of the
government workers.
I only get a little Rush Limbaugh (about 1/2 hour in two weeks) time
during my work week because I'm WORKING during this time period. I
put Rush right up there with "The View." Its self-admitted
entertainment with a political message. By the way, Star Trek and
Leave It to Beaver aren't real either. As Rush himself says, check
your facts. I do. I don't slavishly hold to one view or another. If
someone in the media says something I feel reflects upon my view, I
look it up in the public record. And oh, by the way, I signed my name
on the dotted line saying that I would die to preserve the separation
of church and state as our founding fathers wished, so keep religion
out of political arguments.
Frank Reid

Frank Reid wrote:
Okay Todd. I'm a Democrat that listens to Rush. This work for you?
Things in the last two weeks that he has spouted that are totally
wrong that I've heard. (not a complete laundry list, just a couple of
things I heard whilst driving)
Clinton cowardly pulled us out of the Philippines. Check it out, the
Philippine government blackmailed us and quadrupled the amount of
money they wanted so that we could keep our bases there. Our carriers
would do the job for a cheaper price. With everyone in the military
saying get us out, we left.
Government workers don't don't pay into Social Security - Oh, come on
now, you know how many times I've heard this from Rush, Glenn Beck and
Savage? Yes we do. He confuses Senators with the rest of the
government workers.
I only get a little Rush Limbaugh (about 1/2 hour in two weeks) time
during my work week because I'm WORKING during this time period. I
put Rush right up there with "The View." Its self-admitted
entertainment with a political message. By the way, Star Trek and
Leave It to Beaver aren't real either. As Rush himself says, check
your facts. I do. I don't slavishly hold to one view or another. If
someone in the media says something I feel reflects upon my view, I
look it up in the public record. And oh, by the way, I signed my name
on the dotted line saying that I would die to preserve the separation
of church and state as our founding fathers wished, so keep religion
out of political arguments.
Frank Reid



Hi Frank,

Now that's what a liberal sound like that actually
listens to Rush. Not a single remark about his anus.
He didn't call me a single name either. Even though
he is very displeased with Rush, he kept it to the
area of ideas.

To respectfully disagree with you, there is no
separation of church and state in the constitution. That
was a creation of the supreme court in the 19 century.
Thomas Jefferson did make a remark about it in one of
his writing. The constitution bars the establishment
of a state religion. The supreme court even has a
copy of the ten commandments on the front of its
building.

When I got the racism insult flung at me, I though
everyone should know my moral beliefs actually were.

I did not know that about that the PI. Thank you.
See, he was respectful and I actually listen to him.

Thank you for signing on the dotted line. So did I.

-T