ot health care

Correction

Afghanistan is third worst.

Worst is Angola (180), then Sierra Leone, 154, Afghanistan, 152,
Liberia, 138, and Niger, 117.

I was remembering out-dated statistics.

Lazarus

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:46:10 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
On what do you base your assertion that his doubts are (or may be)
"baseless?"
I base that assertion on the fact that Louie doesn't know
diddly about health care in Canada or the UK.

And on what do you base your assessment of Louie's knowledge of the health care
in Canada or the UK? ...

Louie himself said he has little knowledge of the health care
in Canada or the UK other than "it seems" they have long waiting
times for certain procedures.

No, he said he didn't know if people there got to select their own doctors. Let
me ask you - do people in the US get to select their own doctors? How about
people in Holland, China, Cuba, or Tahiti...?

HTH,
R
....and maybe you ought to try at least skimming those posts that you are going
to comment upon, too...

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:43:22 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article 2009091807474016807-dplacourse@aolcom, David LaCourse
wrote:

I doubt I would have survived in Canada or GB.

The normally accepted rule of thumb for a country's healthcare is
infant mortality. Afghanistan comes last, and most of the poorest 30 or
so are in Africa.

Um, "normally accepted"...? Would, oh, say, a truck driver from South Korea
whip out this chart when confronted by, oh, say, a architect from Peru over
drinks in Paris, or is it something "normally accepted" by certain
organizations, or ???

But the richest country in the world comes an astonishing forty-fourth
from the top. The USA's infant mortality is 6.26 per 1,000 live births,
compared to, say, 2.75 in Sweden, 3.33 in France, 4.25 in Slovenia,
4.85 in the UK, 5.04 in Canada.

Oh, sure, you rattle off some figures, but how much are eggs in China?

Amazingly, the US manages to come even behind Cuba (5.82).

HOLY ****!! THAT IS AMAZING!! Um....why?

My source for these 2009 figures is that well-known commie outfit, the
CIA.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/rankorder/20
91rank.html

Ah. So, OK, put down Lazarus Cooke under "If the CIA says it, it's true...and
highly significant." Hey, wait a sec - are you just trying to build up brownie
points so you can just glide back to the US and scam some free health care...?
Well, don't try to sneak in any Cubans or they'll cut off your diddly...or any
illegal cigars, either...

Lazarus

HTH,
R

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:02:02 +0100, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

Correction

Afghanistan is third worst.

Worst is Angola (180), then Sierra Leone, 154, Afghanistan, 152,
Liberia, 138, and Niger, 117.

I was remembering out-dated statistics.

Um, remembering the IMR of _every_ country on earth...? I don't care what you
do for a vocation, avocation, or just ****s and grins, you REALLY need to check
into the UK's payment scheme for psychiatric assistance...or see if they'll at
least pay for a bender or two...

HTH,
R
....but, I suppose, it's probably best that you made such a correction - all we
need is Fred, Louie, goatgang, and Steve to get into a 1754 post pillowfight on
whether Angola or Afghanistan sucks the most...by normally-accepted rules of
thumb, anyhoo...



Lazarus

In article ,
wrote:


Amazingly, the US manages to come even behind Cuba (5.82).

HOLY ****!! THAT IS AMAZING!! Um....why?


I think that it IS amazing.

Since you're a lawyer I'll answer what might be a rhetorical question.

I find it astonishing that of two countries right beside each other,
the rich one, with around $47,000 per head GDP, manages to have a worse
infant mortality rate than the poor one, with around $9,500 per head
GDP. Especially since the rich one regularly castigates the poor one's
government.

What proportion Republican voters do you think would get the right
answer if asked 'In which country has a newborn baby a better chance of
living - USA or Cuba'?

Lazarus

In article ,
wrote:

Um, remembering the IMR of _every_ country on earth...? I don't care what you
do for a vocation, avocation, or just ****s and grins, you REALLY need to
check
into the UK's payment scheme for psychiatric assistance...or see if they'll at
least pay for a bender or two...

Thanks R. Will follow your helpful advice. ;-)

Lazarus

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-17 21:48:48 -0400, Tim Lysyk said:

Do you think people in Canada or Great Britain do not get to select
their own doctors?

I don't know, but I do know they seem to have to wait longer for certain
procedures. Time was very important in my case. It had to be done NOW
and was. I doubt I would have survived in Canada or GB.


You don't know that either.

One of the things that bothers me about the health care debate in the US
is the misrepresentaiton that is made about helath care in other
countries. There is a lot of misrepresentation made. I have heard the
one about picking doctors for years, and the one about waiting times.

There are no waits for urgent care. I had chest pains a few years ago,
and was admitted and treated immediately. My friend was diagnoses with
prostate cancer, and was admitted and treated immediately.

There are waits for elective surgery.

Tim Lysyk.

Giles wrote:

See, I just do not understand why you Canadians, English, Germans,
etc. must INSIST that you know more about your respective health care
systems than we do! Why, oh WHY can you not simply accept your
comprehensive inferiority and just LISTEN!!??

g.

Silly us. What are we thinking?

I've had thsi happen to me a number of times when travelling to the US.
Typical scenario - I am at a conference wearing a name tag that pretty
much announces I am Canadian. Some one who has no experience with Canada
at all will notice it, and start on me about what a crappy health care
system we have in Canada. They tell me how my taxes are so much higher,
as is my cost of living , and how crappy our national economy is (even
during periods when we had surpkus budgets), etc. etc., all the time
ignoring anything that I might say to the contrary. It is astonishing,
reallly, that we Canadians have been able to survive for so long under
such miserable conditions.

Tim Lysyk

wrote:

... Let
me ask you - do people in the US get to select their own doctors? How about
people in Holland, China, Cuba, or Tahiti...?

Why are you asking me questions about countries other than
Canada and the UK when my assertion was about Louie and
health care in Canada and the UK ?

Louie obviously does not know diddly about health care in
Canada or the UK. Dispute that if you want, it's obvious
to me.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 2009-09-18 08:28:39 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

David LaCourse wrote:
I don't know, but I do know they seem to have to wait longer for
certain procedures. Time was very important in my case. It had to be
done NOW and was. I doubt I would have survived in Canada or GB.

You're just making **** up. You have absolutely no way of knowing
your chances of survival in Canada or the UK because you don't
know diddly about health care in Canada or the UK. But you've
never let ignorance stop you from spouting off your fat mouth
before so why should this time be any different.

You're a great Republican, Louie. Keep up the good work and ...

Carry on.

I lived it, Ken, you didn't. With a Gleason Score over the top, time
was of essence. I talked with folks on a prostate cancer help forum.
Most were not as fortunate as me. Some of them were in Canada and GB
and elsewhere. Some were in the States. Their GS was lower than mine
and yet their doctors failed them - too litte too late. It was not
only curing the cancer, but curing it with the nerve saving technique.

In the summer of 1996, there were only a handful of doctors performing
the nerve-saving technique, and they were all in the good old US of A.
There were men on the help forum that were diagnosed way after I was
and with a lower GS, and they ended up with poor care and advice. They
will wear a diaper the rest of their lives. Not a fun thing to thing
about - die, or wear diapers and never have another erection. When you
have it, and if you have any testosteron you will, I hope you get as
good a set of doctors that I had. Psst, stay close to the States,
especially Baltimore and Boston.

So, thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with the best care available in
the world, MY doctors. And if your swarmy chicken **** half-breed
changes it, I and many others will be ****ed. Count on a one term
presidency, asshole. And I hope, HOPE,that you get to experience
socialized medicine as your swarmy lying hero wants it. I understand
you are now a sick (literally) man. It would be poetic justice if you
had Obama's care. I had socialiazed medicine for 20 years in the
military and never realized what REAL health care was like until I
retired.

And, it has nothing whatsoever to do with being a Republican, Democrat,
Communist, Veggie, whateverthe****. It's simple: Leave health care
alone.

Now stuff it up your fat ass. I'm going fishing on the Rapid for ten days.

Davey