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On 2009-09-20 20:28:52 -0400, Todd said:

David LaCourse wrote:
d;o) You haven't been fishing very long, have you. There is a hatch
almost every day. I just walked down to the river and there are bwo
and tan egg laying caddis all over the place. A few fish rising, and
some takes on emergers. After dinner I will tie on a size 20 soft
hackle PT and catch fish. When the light is almost gone I will switch
to a dry tan caddis, size 16

For about 50 years or more. Oh, I am sure things are hatching around
me, but I am never there when it happens. I only get a few hours
every week or two if I finish my rounds early. I fished my river for
three years before I caught a thing. Now, when they are stocked
I catch 18 in two hours. After that, 3 to 4 in and hour and a half.
and 4 or 5 that I do not get the pleasure of meeting. Total
fun at the end of a long day working.

If you are fishing a fertile stream, there is a hatch that will occur
daily, not once or twice a year.

Trout in their feed lies foraging off the drift act
much different than trout feeding off a hatch. Ozzie
has a bunch of great video on the subject in his
"the underwater world of trout: feeding lies".
In the drift, they do not like each other's company.

Huh? I have taken trout and salmon from the same run on both dries and
nymphs. I've never asked the one I caught on the dry how he feels
about the one I caught on the nymph. Perhaps I'll try that today.
Have you ever fished with a dry fly and a trailing nymph? Most on this
forum have. The fish comes up to take the dry but sees the nymph and
takes it instead. The "feeding" lines contain fish that will either
take a nymph OR a dry.

Here is a difference between a "drifter" and a "hatcher":
a "hatcher" would fish a Stone right side up. A "drifter"
would fish it upside down. There is great video of this
in Cutter's "Bugs of the Underworld".

By a "drifter", do you mean nymph fishing? A nympher would fish all
kinds of nymphs besides a stone fly. On the rare occasion that I do
nymph a stone, usually on waters other than my home ones, I fish it in
a dead drift bouncing off the bottom. How can you fish a stone fly as
a "hatcher"? It's a nymph meant to be a sub-surface lure. It's
surface fly would be a stimulator - big and bushey - not the same fly
you would sub-surface.



A tip from a "drifter": do not forget the white nymph.
Nymphs shuck their exoskeletons several times a year as
they grow. Until they readjust, they are cream colored.
If I can not get my trout to pay attention, I switch to
white or cream color. More yummy, less crunch.

(??????)

I meant that a nymph's that have shucked the old skeletons
before their new ones are in place are easier to catch,
eat, and less bran

And you know this how? The only white nymph I fish is a buckskin
caddis, and I fish it simply because it immitates a particular caddis,
not a nymph that has "shucked".


I don't fish for stocked trout, and no, I am not an eliteist.

Not elitist. You are blessed to be close enough to a wild
river. They are like two different fish.

Farm raised fish are easier to catch and taste funny. I always
let wild trout go. Most framed raised ones too. I usually only
keep one if it bleeds out on me.

My wild ones get really, really ****ed when you hook them.
Total fun!

-T

Yup. It is "total fun".

Dave

David LaCourse wrote:

If you are fishing a fertile stream, there is a hatch that will occur
daily, not once or twice a year.

In the early spring for about two months, the Mayflies
go nuts. There is also the cutest 1/2" stones that run
away from you (they have "space" issues). I fish
a drowned Adams. Total fun.

After that, not so much airborne bugs.

I should mention, that for some weird reason, in my
river, trout seldom feed off the surface. The guys
at the fly shop have noticed it too. It is really
weird. I popped a 3" stone, from the back of my neck
by the way, into the current and watched it drift
about 100' with no attention whatsoever.

My theory is the local Osprey have done some "on the
job training".



Trout in their feed lies foraging off the drift act
much different than trout feeding off a hatch. Ozzie
has a bunch of great video on the subject in his
"the underwater world of trout: feeding lies".
In the drift, they do not like each other's company.

Huh? I have taken trout and salmon from the same run on both dries and
nymphs. I've never asked the one I caught on the dry how he feels about
the one I caught on the nymph. Perhaps I'll try that today. Have you
ever fished with a dry fly and a trailing nymph? Most on this forum
have. The fish comes up to take the dry but sees the nymph and takes it
instead. The "feeding" lines contain fish that will either take a nymph
OR a dry.

I ask about the "wet" for the reason stated above: no
action on the surface. Very weird water.

I have tried the combo you suggest. All I ever get is
knots and tangles. If you can do this without cussing up
a storm, YOU ARE THE MAN!


Here is a difference between a "drifter" and a "hatcher":
a "hatcher" would fish a Stone right side up. A "drifter"
would fish it upside down. There is great video of this
in Cutter's "Bugs of the Underworld".

By a "drifter", do you mean nymph fishing?

Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"

A nympher would fish all
kinds of nymphs besides a stone fly. On the rare occasion that I do
nymph a stone, usually on waters other than my home ones, I fish it in a
dead drift bouncing off the bottom.
Very, very close to what I do. Except I give it a slight ~1" tug
every two feet or so, to a) keep contact with my line and b) simulate
slight movement against the current (debris vs alive)

How can you fish a stone fly as a
"hatcher"? It's a nymph meant to be a sub-surface lure. It's surface
fly would be a stimulator - big and bushey - not the same fly you would
sub-surface.

I see lots of rubber winged adults patters out there. I
have tried them. No better luck that any other top
side fly on my weird river.

I meant that a nymph's that have shucked the old skeletons
before their new ones are in place are easier to catch,
eat, and less bran

And you know this how? The only white nymph I fish is a buckskin
caddis, and I fish it simply because it immitates a particular caddis,
not a nymph that has "shucked".

"The Underwater World of Trout: Feeding Lies" by Ozzie Ozefovish.
http://www.underwateroz.com/
An absolute must see.

-T

On 2009-09-21 11:24:28 -0400, ToddAndMargo
said:


Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"


I know you bruise easily, Todd, but enough is enough. If you do not
know the difference between nymphing and fishing the hatch, you are a
troll. I have never read so much garbage as the above. Trout don't go
through a metamorphosis, and they eat constantly thereby the are always
growing.

You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

I was on the river this a.m. about 8. Two casts with a "home tie" pt
and I had a nice silver salmon in my hand. Jumped three or four times,
tale wagging across the small pool. Two more casts and I had a small
12 inch brookie, a male in full spawning regalia. Then, nothing for
two hours. Missed several nice brook trout on a tan cdc caddis - a
little rusty at setting the hook from 60 feet away.

After exploring more flies and spots, I hooked up with another nice
salmon using the cdc. No jumper was he, but he did fight like hell.

Switched to a normal Sawyer's pt (no home tie goodies on it) and took a
very beautiful female brookie about 15 inches long. I got a couple
more small brookies (10 inch) both male and female before I headed back
to the cabin for a nice lunch with my wife and dog.

Took a well deserved nap until 3 when the cabin boy woke me putting
wood in the bin. We'll need it because it's supposed to get into the
30s tonight. The sun is bright as are the colors on the maples and
birches. It will be an early fall.

Dave

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-21 11:24:28 -0400, ToddAndMargo
said:


Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"


I know you bruise easily, Todd, but enough is enough. If you do not
know the difference between nymphing and fishing the hatch, you are a
troll. I have never read so much garbage as the above. Trout don't go
through a metamorphosis, and they eat constantly thereby the are always
growing.

You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

Todd wrote:
David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-21 11:24:28 -0400, ToddAndMargo
said:


Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"


I know you bruise easily, Todd, but enough is enough. If you do not
know the difference between nymphing and fishing the hatch, you are a
troll. I have never read so much garbage as the above. Trout don't
go through a metamorphosis, and they eat constantly thereby the are
always growing.

You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

Now I feel dumb. You knew that and were pulling my
chain. In other words, guy talk for you like me.
I like you too. :-)

-T

On 2009-09-21 16:34:03 -0400, Todd said:


Now I feel dumb. You knew that and were pulling my
chain. In other words, guy talk for you like me.
I like you too. :-)

-T

Yeah. Guy talk. I luv ya, man.

wayno..............wayno.......... help..........

help.........

Todd wrote:
David LaCourse wrote:
snip
You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

I don't know Todd, I have to agree with Dave S and Louie, the
nonsense you post about fly fishing indicates to me you don't
know **** from shinola about fly fishing. Never fishing dries,
throwing away your bead heads, catching a "zillion" wild fish
in a stream that's stocked annually, none of it sounds real or believable.

C'mon, confess. You're just yankin' our chains, right ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Todd wrote:
David LaCourse wrote:
snip
You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

I don't know Todd, I have to agree with Dave S and Louie, the
nonsense you post about fly fishing indicates to me you don't
know **** from shinola about fly fishing. Never fishing dries,
throwing away your bead heads, catching a "zillion" wild fish
in a stream that's stocked annually, none of it sounds real or believable.

C'mon, confess. You're just yankin' our chains, right ?


I love you too Ken.

Todd wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I don't know Todd, I have to agree with Dave S and Louie, the
nonsense you post about fly fishing indicates to me you don't
know **** from shinola about fly fishing. Never fishing dries,
throwing away your bead heads, catching a "zillion" wild fish
in a stream that's stocked annually, none of it sounds real or
believable.

C'mon, confess. You're just yankin' our chains, right ?

I love you too Ken.

Well, as confessions go that left a little to be desired.

Maybe you do actually fly fish and you're just clueless,
I mean given some of the dittohead **** you've posted here
that is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility. But
it sounds to me like you're pretending to be a fly fisherman
and if you want to pretend to be a fly fisherman in a Usenet
newsgroup full of actual fly fishermen you need to watch
better videos.

"Drifters versus Hatchers" LOL !! Get real.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sep 21, 4:11*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
Took a well deserved nap until 3 when the cabin boy woke me putting
wood in the bin.

How did that feel?