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DaveS wrote:
On Sep 20, 5:32 pm, Todd wrote:
Todd wrote:
David LaCourse wrote:
d;o) You haven't been fishing very long, have you. There is a hatch
almost every day. I just walked down to the river and there are bwo
and tan egg laying caddis all over the place. A few fish rising, and
some takes on emergers. After dinner I will tie on a size 20 soft
hackle PT and catch fish. When the light is almost gone I will switch
to a dry tan caddis, size 16
Hi Dave,

I should also mention that I fish in the winter,
just as soon as the ice melts off the rocks
and I am not a risk of killing myself. No
hatch at all in the winter. You must fish
the drift: mainly Stones.

-T

Wrong again: Baetis and midge hatch in the winter. Ive fished hatches
in a snow storm on the upper Yakima near Cle Elm.

Dave

Fascinating. On my stream, I see zero airborne anything
when it is freezing outside. An examination of "contents"
shows tons of black sticks (midge larvae). Thank you!
-T

David LaCourse wrote:

If you are fishing a fertile stream, there is a hatch that will occur
daily, not once or twice a year.

In the early spring for about two months, the Mayflies
go nuts. There is also the cutest 1/2" stones that run
away from you (they have "space" issues). I fish
a drowned Adams. Total fun.

After that, not so much airborne bugs.

I should mention, that for some weird reason, in my
river, trout seldom feed off the surface. The guys
at the fly shop have noticed it too. It is really
weird. I popped a 3" stone, from the back of my neck
by the way, into the current and watched it drift
about 100' with no attention whatsoever.

My theory is the local Osprey have done some "on the
job training".



Trout in their feed lies foraging off the drift act
much different than trout feeding off a hatch. Ozzie
has a bunch of great video on the subject in his
"the underwater world of trout: feeding lies".
In the drift, they do not like each other's company.

Huh? I have taken trout and salmon from the same run on both dries and
nymphs. I've never asked the one I caught on the dry how he feels about
the one I caught on the nymph. Perhaps I'll try that today. Have you
ever fished with a dry fly and a trailing nymph? Most on this forum
have. The fish comes up to take the dry but sees the nymph and takes it
instead. The "feeding" lines contain fish that will either take a nymph
OR a dry.

I ask about the "wet" for the reason stated above: no
action on the surface. Very weird water.

I have tried the combo you suggest. All I ever get is
knots and tangles. If you can do this without cussing up
a storm, YOU ARE THE MAN!


Here is a difference between a "drifter" and a "hatcher":
a "hatcher" would fish a Stone right side up. A "drifter"
would fish it upside down. There is great video of this
in Cutter's "Bugs of the Underworld".

By a "drifter", do you mean nymph fishing?

Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"

A nympher would fish all
kinds of nymphs besides a stone fly. On the rare occasion that I do
nymph a stone, usually on waters other than my home ones, I fish it in a
dead drift bouncing off the bottom.
Very, very close to what I do. Except I give it a slight ~1" tug
every two feet or so, to a) keep contact with my line and b) simulate
slight movement against the current (debris vs alive)

How can you fish a stone fly as a
"hatcher"? It's a nymph meant to be a sub-surface lure. It's surface
fly would be a stimulator - big and bushey - not the same fly you would
sub-surface.

I see lots of rubber winged adults patters out there. I
have tried them. No better luck that any other top
side fly on my weird river.

I meant that a nymph's that have shucked the old skeletons
before their new ones are in place are easier to catch,
eat, and less bran

And you know this how? The only white nymph I fish is a buckskin
caddis, and I fish it simply because it immitates a particular caddis,
not a nymph that has "shucked".

"The Underwater World of Trout: Feeding Lies" by Ozzie Ozefovish.
http://www.underwateroz.com/
An absolute must see.

-T

DaveS wrote:

You are one brainwashed puppy.

Dave


Good Doggie, Good Doggie. Wait? I am the doggie here! :-D
-T

p.s. Freedom, limited government, personal responsibility:
nothing to do with socialism (any flavor).

On 2009-09-21 11:24:28 -0400, ToddAndMargo
said:


Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"


I know you bruise easily, Todd, but enough is enough. If you do not
know the difference between nymphing and fishing the hatch, you are a
troll. I have never read so much garbage as the above. Trout don't go
through a metamorphosis, and they eat constantly thereby the are always
growing.

You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

I was on the river this a.m. about 8. Two casts with a "home tie" pt
and I had a nice silver salmon in my hand. Jumped three or four times,
tale wagging across the small pool. Two more casts and I had a small
12 inch brookie, a male in full spawning regalia. Then, nothing for
two hours. Missed several nice brook trout on a tan cdc caddis - a
little rusty at setting the hook from 60 feet away.

After exploring more flies and spots, I hooked up with another nice
salmon using the cdc. No jumper was he, but he did fight like hell.

Switched to a normal Sawyer's pt (no home tie goodies on it) and took a
very beautiful female brookie about 15 inches long. I got a couple
more small brookies (10 inch) both male and female before I headed back
to the cabin for a nice lunch with my wife and dog.

Took a well deserved nap until 3 when the cabin boy woke me putting
wood in the bin. We'll need it because it's supposed to get into the
30s tonight. The sun is bright as are the colors on the maples and
birches. It will be an early fall.

Dave

On 2009-09-21 08:24:48 -0400, Bill Grey said:


Well, at least not physically. d;o)

Dave


You're probably right - what the Hell am I doing here :-)

Laughter a bunch You are here, Bill, to have fun.

Joanne is sitting next to me -- sees your name and the graigroad.demon
-- and says "Hi". Her 56 birthday was yesterday and we are having a
partying in the lodge tonight, including carrot cake and champagne
(French, no less). She is enjoying her retirement as I am too.

Dave

David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-21 11:24:28 -0400, ToddAndMargo
said:


Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"


I know you bruise easily, Todd, but enough is enough. If you do not
know the difference between nymphing and fishing the hatch, you are a
troll. I have never read so much garbage as the above. Trout don't go
through a metamorphosis, and they eat constantly thereby the are always
growing.

You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

Todd wrote:
David LaCourse wrote:
On 2009-09-21 11:24:28 -0400, ToddAndMargo
said:


Yes and no. By "drifter" I mean what is in the normal
underwater life of the trout, not something going through
a "metamorphosis". I don't target what is "hatching", just
what is "growing"


I know you bruise easily, Todd, but enough is enough. If you do not
know the difference between nymphing and fishing the hatch, you are a
troll. I have never read so much garbage as the above. Trout don't
go through a metamorphosis, and they eat constantly thereby the are
always growing.

You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

Now I feel dumb. You knew that and were pulling my
chain. In other words, guy talk for you like me.
I like you too. :-)

-T

On 2009-09-21 16:34:03 -0400, Todd said:


Now I feel dumb. You knew that and were pulling my
chain. In other words, guy talk for you like me.
I like you too. :-)

-T

Yeah. Guy talk. I luv ya, man.

wayno..............wayno.......... help..........

help.........

Todd wrote:
David LaCourse wrote:
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You have to be a troll. No fly fisherman I know would make such
absolutely stupid statements.

Dude! I meant the invertebrates they eat.

I don't know Todd, I have to agree with Dave S and Louie, the
nonsense you post about fly fishing indicates to me you don't
know **** from shinola about fly fishing. Never fishing dries,
throwing away your bead heads, catching a "zillion" wild fish
in a stream that's stocked annually, none of it sounds real or believable.

C'mon, confess. You're just yankin' our chains, right ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sep 21, 4:11*pm, David LaCourse wrote:
Took a well deserved nap until 3 when the cabin boy woke me putting
wood in the bin.

How did that feel?