AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:15:50 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:58:58 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ize/index.html

I guess they figured if Kofi Annan and Al Gore didn't convince folks this thing
is a cheap joke, this ought to do it...

Sheesh,

Spoken like someone with the emotional maturity of a bratty
13-year-old. Obama is the president, get over it already.

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html

Unless he was nominated in for 2008 too late (even more ridiculous), and as
others have correctly pointed out, he had to have been nominated no later than a
coupla weeks into office as POTUS. My guess is that there will be some, er,
"discussion" from at least some perfectly reasonable eligible nominators to
release more details of this nomination long before the 50-year mark.

And for the record, unless he or his people had something untoward to do with
this (and that would include, um, "encouraging" one or more nominators to
nominate him), this doesn't reflect on Obama one bit, it reflects upon the
Committee (which has shown itself to be goofy in the past, ala Annan, Gore,
etc.).

HTH,
R


Jeez richard. Sour grapes make lousy whine.

Alfred Nobel created the prize to be awarded "to the person who shall
have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations,
for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding
and promotion of peace congresses."

Hopey has been going around the world for the last 9 months trying to
do those very things. And, as should be obvious, while the nominations
were in February the voting by the committee was just a short while
ago. All it takes to be nominated is to have one qualified person,
like a history professor, forward said nomination to Oslo. Limbugh has
been nominated, as was W.

hth

Geo. C.

On Oct 9, 10:18*am, georgecleveland wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:15:50 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:58:58 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ize/index.html

I guess they figured if Kofi Annan and Al Gore didn't convince folks this thing
is a cheap joke, this ought to do it...

Sheesh,

Spoken like someone with the emotional maturity of a bratty
13-year-old. Obama is the president, get over it already.

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html

Unless he was nominated in for 2008 too late (even more ridiculous), and as
others have correctly pointed out, he had to have been nominated no later than a
coupla weeks into office as POTUS. *My guess is that there will be some, er,
"discussion" from at least some perfectly reasonable eligible nominators to
release more details of this nomination long before the 50-year mark.

And for the record, unless he or his people had something untoward to do with
this (and that would include, um, "encouraging" one or more nominators to
nominate him), this doesn't reflect on Obama one bit, it reflects upon the
Committee (which has shown itself to be goofy in the past, ala Annan, Gore,
etc.). *

HTH,
R

Jeez richard. Sour grapes make lousy whine.

Yeah, but if it's all ya got to work with.....

Alfred Nobel created the prize to be awarded "to the person who shall
have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations,
for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding
and promotion of peace congresses."

Hopey has been going around the world for the last 9 months trying to
do those very things. And, as should be obvious, while the nominations
were in February the voting by the committee was just a short while
ago. All it takes to be nominated is to have one qualified person,
like a history professor, forward said nomination to Oslo.

Undoubtedly, there have been worse candidates.

Limbugh has been nominated, as was W.

There! See what I mean?

Nevertheless, even for a famously opaque and inscrutable
organization, the Nobel committee seems to have outdone itself this
time around. Surely there is SOMEONE in the world who has actually
accomplishment something or other of significance in bringing about,
or at least encouraging, peace in this world in the last year or so.

Or maybe not.

Maybe, every once in a while, they should just hold on to one or
another of the prizes for a year or two.....just until a credible
winner, or at least candidate, shows up.

hth

A reasonable voice always does.

giles

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:18:57 -0500, georgecleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:15:50 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:58:58 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ize/index.html

I guess they figured if Kofi Annan and Al Gore didn't convince folks this thing
is a cheap joke, this ought to do it...

Sheesh,

Spoken like someone with the emotional maturity of a bratty
13-year-old. Obama is the president, get over it already.

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html

Unless he was nominated in for 2008 too late (even more ridiculous), and as
others have correctly pointed out, he had to have been nominated no later than a
coupla weeks into office as POTUS. My guess is that there will be some, er,
"discussion" from at least some perfectly reasonable eligible nominators to
release more details of this nomination long before the 50-year mark.

And for the record, unless he or his people had something untoward to do with
this (and that would include, um, "encouraging" one or more nominators to
nominate him), this doesn't reflect on Obama one bit, it reflects upon the
Committee (which has shown itself to be goofy in the past, ala Annan, Gore,
etc.).

HTH,
R


Jeez richard. Sour grapes make lousy whine.

Alfred Nobel created the prize to be awarded "to the person who shall
have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations,
for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding
and promotion of peace congresses."

And you feel that he had done that by Feb 1, 2009?

Hopey has been going around the world for the last 9 months trying to
do those very things.

He has? Lessee - on the recent trip to Copenhagen (not to campaign for the
Olympics) the White House touted his meeting with McChrystal (the military
commander he personally picked to help win a war) about troop build-ups.

And the NYT compares him to such "lofty company" (maybe they should have said
"transformative figures"...) as Lech Walesa and Teddy Roosevelt. Lech Walesa's
thoughts? "What? So fast? Well, there hasn't been any contribution to peace
yet. He's proposing things, he's initiating things, but he is yet to deliver."
Teddy didn't give any thoughts on the matter.

The 1976 joint winner, Mairead Corrigan: "President Obama has yet to prove that
he will move seriously on the Middle East, that he will end the war in
Afghanistan and many other issues"

And the Middle East peace he is supposedly inspiring? Let's see...

Hamas - ""Obama does not deserve this prize."

Iran: (Government Spokesman) "The decision in this area was hasty, and
conferring this prize was premature."
Iran: (Ahmedinejad) "I hope that by receiving this prize, he will start taking
practical steps to remove injustices in the world."

Fred Armisen:

"Out of Iraq? Nope, not even close..."
"Close Guantanamo Bay? Not Done..."
"Improve Afghanistan? Actually, I think it's worse..."

And guess who said this:

"To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of
the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize."

In your opinion, was the speaker being honest, falsely modesty, disingenuous, or
???

And yes, I realize there are numerous quotes out there that either show outright
support (or at least don't directly question it) for his win.

And, as should be obvious, while the nominations
were in February the voting by the committee was just a short while
ago.

Well, it might not be as "obvious" as you think. The nominations were reviewed
and a "short list" was compiled by, IIRC, March 15, 2009. Do you feel that he
had accomplished the above by then? If so, why? The voting was in August. IAC,
can you objectively show how and why you feel he is "the person who shall
have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the
abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of
peace congresses," even as of yesterday?

All it takes to be nominated is to have one qualified person,
like a history professor, forward said nomination to Oslo. Limbugh has
been nominated, as was W.

And what your reaction be if "Limbugh" (I'm guessing you mean Rush Limbaugh) had
won (or even found out he was under serious consideration)? Bush is another
matter - while IMO he wouldn't be an appropriate choice (or deserving choice
overall), his selection would at least have had a marginally-defensible claim
for actual accomplishments and attempts in Africa.

Finally, again, barring anything untoward from Obama's camp, this doesn't really
reflect upon him, but rather, greatly diminishes an already-diminished Peace
Prize. Should a undergrad that shows great promise be given a degree based on
that promise? Should a med student who shows great promise be allowed to skip
further training because of that promise? Would you loan your life savings to
your broke-ass deadbeat brother-in-law because he promised - greatly - to pay
you back...?

TC,
R

hth

Geo. C.

wrote:



for more than a year prior to feb 2009, obama gave clear indications of
his positions, philosophies, and character (for those willing to read
and listen)...enough that my wife and i independent of one another took
notice, hoped he would announce as a candidate, and then began our
active support. something we'd not done with any heartfelt enthusiasm
since our 20s. i doubt we were the only ones affected in this way.

he changed the direction of this country (and the perceptions of this
country) long before january 20, 2009. i just don't understand the
schadenfreude for obama that some have...unless they simply acknowledge
being a rascist. i'll wager though that of all the nobel recipients, he
is easily the most recognizable and best-known in the world.

my hope is for people, especially those in other countries, to believe
genuinely that our president promotes and desires peaceful solutions. we
are too often a violent short-sighted society, rightly perceived as
such, with petty purposes and ideas. i like having a president who
doesn't fit that mold, and who garners the admiration and respect of
other world leaders...not to mention the nobel committee.

i'm incredibly proud of obama...he's doing a terrific job as president
under the worst of circumstances.

though the bewilderingly hostile chasm and wasteland between repubs and
dems, conservatives and liberals, (using those labels in the most
dogmatic sense) keeps us a divided nation, i am seeing more folks (like
paul...and even tim g) in recent months who are willing to express
their dissatisfaction with the way things have been and who are seeking
ways to bridge the divide. it's encouraging... as is a president
awarded the nobel peace prize.

jeff

On 10-Oct-2009, jeff wrote:

my hope is for people, especially those in other countries, to believe
genuinely that our president promotes and desires peaceful solutions. we
are too often a violent short-sighted society, rightly perceived as
such, with petty purposes and ideas. i like having a president who
doesn't fit that mold, and who garners the admiration and respect of
other world leaders...not to mention the nobel committee...

i'm incredibly proud of obama......

though the bewilderingly hostile chasm and wasteland between repubs and
dems, conservatives and liberals, (using those labels in the most
dogmatic sense) keeps us a divided nation, i am seeing more folks (like
paul...and even tim g) in recent months who are willing to express
their dissatisfaction with the way things have been and who are seeking
ways to bridge the divide. it's encouraging... as is a president
awarded the nobel peace prize.


I concur
Especially w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

I was hoping that as the first man of color as our Prez that he would reach
out to the other world leadrers in countries like Iran, N Korea and some
third world countries and at least make a few peaceful overtures,...
We shall see but whatever happens Its still better than seeing and hearing
the outright lies & bs from the previous reprobates

Fred

http://www.missourah.com/2009/09/15/...sm-flow-chart/

On 2009-10-10 19:21:09 -0400, "Fred" said:

I concur
Especiall w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Fred, you don't live up to the Nobel Prize. It is given for things you
have already done. Do you think they would give the Science Prize to
my wife if she said she could make light travel faster? That would be
one hell of a discovery. The same holds true for the Peace Prize. My
wife can't make light travel faster than God meant it to travel, and
Obama has done nothing to bring peace to the world. Reagan did more.

Dave

David LaCourse wrote:
"Fred" said:
I concur
Especiall w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Fred, you don't live up to the Nobel Prize. It is given for things you
have already done. Do you think they would give the Science Prize to my
wife if she said she could make light travel faster? That would be one
hell of a discovery. The same holds true for the Peace Prize. My wife
can't make light travel faster than God meant it to travel, and Obama
has done nothing to bring peace to the world. Reagan did more.

Once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee which awards the Peace Prize has
a longstanding reputation for awarding potential. Look at the
recent winners. The 1984 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to
Desmond Tutu for his fight against apartheid. Apartheid didn't
end until 1994. To say that the Peace Price adheres to the
same standard as the "Science Prize" is a display of laughable
ignorance. Especially since there is no Nobel "Science Prize".

You're a moron, Louie. And I'm done with you.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 2009-10-10 20:23:22 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

David LaCourse wrote:
"Fred" said:
I concur
Especiall w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Fred, you don't live up to the Nobel Prize. It is given for things you
have already done. Do you think they would give the Science Prize to
my wife if she said she could make light travel faster? That would be
one hell of a discovery. The same holds true for the Peace Prize. My
wife can't make light travel faster than God meant it to travel, and
Obama has done nothing to bring peace to the world. Reagan did more.

Once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee which awards the Peace Prize has
a longstanding reputation for awarding potential. Look at the
recent winners. The 1984 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to
Desmond Tutu for his fight against apartheid.

"for his fight against apartheid." He DID something. You say so
yourself. He fought apartheid, went to jail for it, organized others
to fight it. He didn't just talk about it or say, "I have this idea."
You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Obama is all talk.
Tutu DID something. Asshole.

Apartheid didn't
end until 1994. To say that the Peace Price adheres to the
same standard as the "Science Prize" is a display of laughable
ignorance. Especially since there is no Nobel "Science Prize".

Me bad. Make that Nobel Prize in Physics. As a Nobel Prize, it
adheres to the same regulations as the Peace Prize. And, you know damn
well what I meant. No prize for Joanne - none for Obama. Neither of
them have done what they SAID they could/would do. It's political,
Ken, and the quicker you understand that, the better off ALL of us will
be.

You're a moron, Louie. And I'm done with you.

Well, perhaps so..... but I am a happy and wealthy moron who fishes a
helluva lot more than you. And, if you were really, really done with
me, OH how much happier would I be.

Louie (aka Dave, moron, idiot, pig, filth, and any other name you want
to call me)

d;o)

On 2009-10-10 20:23:22 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

David LaCourse wrote:
"Fred" said:
I concur
Especiall w the last point about the prize
I hope that Obama can live up to it.

Fred, you don't live up to the Nobel Prize. It is given for things you
have already done. Do you think they would give the Science Prize to
my wife if she said she could make light travel faster? That would be
one hell of a discovery. The same holds true for the Peace Prize. My
wife can't make light travel faster than God meant it to travel, and
Obama has done nothing to bring peace to the world. Reagan did more.

Once again, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee which awards the Peace Prize has
a longstanding reputation for awarding potential. Look at the
recent winners. The 1984 Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to
Desmond Tutu for his fight against apartheid. Apartheid didn't
end until 1994. To say that the Peace Price adheres to the
same standard as the "Science Prize" is a display of laughable
ignorance. Especially since there is no Nobel "Science Prize".

You're a moron, Louie. And I'm done with you.

d;o) Which means I WIN! Thanks. Now, go try some of that stale
cheese (probably in a jar) and that sour whine you always accuse others
of drinking.

Davey

(PS: When Jo does invent the light accellorator, we will put on the
patent that one Kenneth Fortenberry may not benefit from it. That'll
show ya. And we won't invite ya to Oslo either. Asshole.

d;o)