Current River Flow Data

On Oct 31, 8:33*pm, Giles wrote:
On Oct 31, 2:02*pm, DaveS wrote:





On Oct 30, 7:59*pm, salmobytes wrote:

On Oct 19, 10:24*am, DaveS wrote:

How close to realtime is the data you can access?

Athttp://montana-riverboats.com, if you hover the mouse over
"Stream Flows" at screen middle bottom, you get (most of) Montana's
most important flows in a popup panel, updated nightly, using cron
and a little php/curl screen-scraping...querying the gov flows site at
3:00am
in the morning mountain time.

It takes about 90 seconds to complete, so it can't be done from a
mouse click.
But they only update the data once a day anyway. *So once a day
updates are as good as it gets.

Thanx. That adds another source. Two questions: I am assuming the data
are in Cfs, so would that figure represent an average for the previous
24 hours, or is it an instantaneous (point in time measure)? Do you
know where the data comes from original source)? What's with that
figure for the Madison below Hebgen Lake? Is it actually 1.something
cubic feet per second?

Judging by comparison with the rest of the figures in the table and
just a pinch of good sense, I'd suggest that perhaps there's a typo in
there somewhere.

That's worse than a household well.

You've got a household well that pumps over twelve gallons per second?

I'll bet six gajillion of the diminutive member's dollars that you
don't.

Dave Thanx

You're welcome.

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Well you are close, it would be 12,342 gallons per second I find. But
yeah, you are right thatsa hell of a lot of water. I keep thinking
gallons per second, per minute really, while the numeric is cubic
feet. a one to seven scaled down conceptual space.

That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, for
one, want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

On Nov 1, 3:16*am, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:33*pm, Giles wrote:





On Oct 31, 2:02*pm, DaveS wrote:

On Oct 30, 7:59*pm, salmobytes wrote:

On Oct 19, 10:24*am, DaveS wrote:

How close to realtime is the data you can access?

Athttp://montana-riverboats.com, if you hover the mouse over
"Stream Flows" at screen middle bottom, you get (most of) Montana's
most important flows in a popup panel, updated nightly, using cron
and a little php/curl screen-scraping...querying the gov flows site at
3:00am
in the morning mountain time.

It takes about 90 seconds to complete, so it can't be done from a
mouse click.
But they only update the data once a day anyway. *So once a day
updates are as good as it gets.

Thanx. That adds another source. Two questions: I am assuming the data
are in Cfs, so would that figure represent an average for the previous
24 hours, or is it an instantaneous (point in time measure)? Do you
know where the data comes from original source)? What's with that
figure for the Madison below Hebgen Lake? Is it actually 1.something
cubic feet per second?

Judging by comparison with the rest of the figures in the table and
just a pinch of good sense, I'd suggest that perhaps there's a typo in
there somewhere.

That's worse than a household well.

You've got a household well that pumps over twelve gallons per second?

I'll bet six gajillion of the diminutive member's dollars that you
don't.

Dave Thanx

You're welcome.

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Well you are close,

Yes, I am.

it would be 12,342 gallons per second I find.

I found roughly 12.348 (1.65 x 7.48051948). That makes me closer than
you by about 12,329.657 gallons per second. Your well is even more
spectacular than I had thought. I think I might like to up the amount
of that bet. What kind of odds would you like?


But
yeah, you are right thatsa hell of a lot of water. I keep thinking
gallons per second, per minute really, while the numeric is cubic
feet. a one to seven scaled down conceptual space.

Ah. Well, something like that I s'pose.

That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, *for
one, *want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Burden?

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

Don't have any links to stream flow data in Wisconsin. I think I may
have had something for the middle branch of the Ontonagon River (U.P.,
not Wisconsin) some years ago when I learned about a controversy about
diverting the water, but those disappeared along time ago. Nothing
else. The thing is, generally, stream flow is not much of an issue in
this part of the world. There's oodles of water everywhere around
here. In fact, it's kind of hard to find a dry spot to sit on in
Michigan or Wisconsin. Not much reason to fight over water......not
much reason to be obsessed with stream flow data. Quite naturally,
this abundance of water here has led to a burgeoning of water
intensive enterprises, unlike places where a relative dearth of water
has led, quite unnaturally, to a burgeoning of water intensive
enterprises.....and a concommitant obsession with stream flow data.
Well, that's what ya get when EVERYBODY wants ALL of the paltry supply
of water, ainna? I mean, ya might as well try agribusiness in a
****in' desert, eh?

g.
you're welcome.

On Nov 1, 4:51*pm, Giles wrote:
SNIP

That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, *for
one, *want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Burden?

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

Don't have any links to stream flow data in Wisconsin. *I think I may
have had something for the middle branch of the Ontonagon River (U.P.,
not Wisconsin) some years ago when I learned about a controversy about
diverting the water, but those disappeared along time ago. *Nothing
else. *The thing is, generally, stream flow is not much of an issue in
this part of the world. *There's oodles of water everywhere around
here. *In fact, it's kind of hard to find a dry spot to sit on in
Michigan or Wisconsin. *Not much reason to fight over water......not
much reason to be obsessed with stream flow data. *Quite naturally,
this abundance of water here has led to a burgeoning of water
intensive enterprises, unlike places where a relative dearth of water
has led, quite unnaturally, to a burgeoning of water intensive
enterprises.....and a concommitant obsession with stream flow data.
Well, that's what ya get when EVERYBODY wants ALL of the paltry supply
of water, ainna? *I mean, ya might as well try agribusiness in a
****in' desert, eh?

g.
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Yeah sure. Near as I can tell most of those cute little rivers ya got
there never flood, unless there is some federal disaster money around
to scam. Anyway I always get a kick at those stream structures you
folk like to build on trout streams. Reminds me of Boy Scouts and the
pole and rope fun we used to have. Keep up the effort.

Well then, it would seem that with such natural advantages in your
aquarian State, and such a clear and simple personal understanding of
agribusiness, western water policy, and so much more, you could have
an incredible career as a motivational speaker in Midwestern farm
circles. My guess is that you could also probably put the Wisconsin
Fish agencies straight on why they have so much difficulty with
natural repro, huh? Stream flows not an issue huh?

While you are at it maybe you could be a catalyst in reducing
Wisconsin's use of Western coal-fired dirty power production. Like
maybe folks need to learn to turn off some of those lights we see so
clearly in the satellite pix? And that Forest Service lab those nasty
politicians have managed to retain in Wisconsin, despite the fact that
most of the real forestry research needs are in the West and the
South? Go tell them that they don't need to cling to those hundreds of
feather-bedded jobs, why there is a future for them in, wait for
it . . . Wisconsin Agriculture. Be their leader. Hooray. Come out West
and be our King and start your own religion.

Seriously Wolfgang, In my own limited way I have skin in the game,
real land, real water, real money. I have made decisions and
investments and done work that is motivated by my desire to make an
actual contribution to a healthy river environment. Different
decisions could easily make more money. But the choices ive made make
me feel good, and produce a reasonable return.

Why not go find more things that make you feel good, and cut back on
the snippity? I myself am a great example of moderation you could
learn much from.

Dave
Cheese Kills

On Nov 1, 8:40*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Nov 1, 4:51*pm, Giles wrote:
SNIP







That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, *for
one, *want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Burden?

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

Don't have any links to stream flow data in Wisconsin. *I think I may
have had something for the middle branch of the Ontonagon River (U.P.,
not Wisconsin) some years ago when I learned about a controversy about
diverting the water, but those disappeared along time ago. *Nothing
else. *The thing is, generally, stream flow is not much of an issue in
this part of the world. *There's oodles of water everywhere around
here. *In fact, it's kind of hard to find a dry spot to sit on in
Michigan or Wisconsin. *Not much reason to fight over water......not
much reason to be obsessed with stream flow data. *Quite naturally,
this abundance of water here has led to a burgeoning of water
intensive enterprises, unlike places where a relative dearth of water
has led, quite unnaturally, to a burgeoning of water intensive
enterprises.....and a concommitant obsession with stream flow data.
Well, that's what ya get when EVERYBODY wants ALL of the paltry supply
of water, ainna? *I mean, ya might as well try agribusiness in a
****in' desert, eh?

g.
you're welcome.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah sure. Near as I can tell most of those cute little rivers ya got
there never flood,

Well, you're wrong again. Flooding is not at all uncommon around
here.

unless there is some federal disaster money around
to scam.

Ooh! Catty! Never looked at the data closely, but I don't think
Wisconsin ranks really high on the federal disaster tit list.

Anyway I always get a kick at those stream structures you
folk like to build on trout streams. Reminds me of Boy Scouts and the
pole and rope fun we used to have. Keep up the effort.

Oh yeah? You poopy faced snot! HAH!

Well then, it would seem that with such natural advantages in your
aquarian State, and such a clear and simple personal understanding of
agribusiness, western water policy, and so much more, you could have
an incredible career as a motivational speaker in Midwestern farm
circles. My guess is that you could also probably put the Wisconsin
Fish agencies straight on why they have so much difficulty with
natural repro, huh? Stream flows not an issue huh?

Has it ever occurred to you that if you learned to master the
rudiments of arithmetic you wouldn't have to launch into these
periodic grade school snits? Is it MY fault you can't add, subtract,
multiply and divide? Am I responsible for your failure to distinguish
between a period and a comma? Have I ever claimed to have managed a
municipal water supply? Did MY ancestors ever save
civilization.....single-handedly.....innumerable times?

While you are at it maybe you could be a catalyst in reducing
Wisconsin's use of Western coal-fired dirty power production.

I do occasionally make mention of a viable alternative in these
pages. Mostly, it doesn't generate much informed or interesting
discussion. Hm.....maybe if your ancestors were Dutch.....?

Like
maybe folks need to learn to turn off some of those lights we see so
clearly in the satellite pix?

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me. Got any good light
pollution links to share?

And that Forest Service lab those nasty
politicians have managed to retain in Wisconsin, despite the fact that
most of the real forestry research needs are in the West and the
South?

Really? How do you keep score?

Go tell them that they don't need to cling to those hundreds of
feather-bedded jobs, why there is a future for them in, wait for
it . . . Wisconsin Agriculture.

Actually, I've never considred myself a very strong or convincing
advocate of agriculture. I thought I had made that pretty clear.

Be their leader. Hooray. Come out West
and be our King and start your own religion.

That's been done to death.

Seriously Wolfgang, In my own limited way I have skin in the game,
real land, real water, real money.

See, that's your trouble. You should be like the rest of us. Just
eat the stuff that comes from the supermarkets. No dirt, no muss, no
fuss.

cue patriotic music

I have made decisions and
investments and done work that is motivated by my desire to make an
actual contribution to a healthy river environment. Different
decisions could easily make more money.

fade patriotic music

But the choices ive made make
me feel good,

Well, good for you.

and produce a reasonable return.

Ah!

Why not go find more things that make you feel good,

You'd be amazed at what makes me feel good.

and cut back on the snippity? I myself am a great example of moderation you could
learn much from.

Would you agree to a paternity test on the spittle on my screen?

Dave
Cheese Kills

Sucks when people actually read and pay attention to what you write,
huh?

g.

On Nov 1, 7:23*pm, Giles wrote:
On Nov 1, 8:40*pm, DaveS wrote:





On Nov 1, 4:51*pm, Giles wrote:
SNIP

That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, *for
one, *want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Burden?

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

Don't have any links to stream flow data in Wisconsin. *I think I may
have had something for the middle branch of the Ontonagon River (U.P.,
not Wisconsin) some years ago when I learned about a controversy about
diverting the water, but those disappeared along time ago. *Nothing
else. *The thing is, generally, stream flow is not much of an issue in
this part of the world. *There's oodles of water everywhere around
here. *In fact, it's kind of hard to find a dry spot to sit on in
Michigan or Wisconsin. *Not much reason to fight over water......not
much reason to be obsessed with stream flow data. *Quite naturally,
this abundance of water here has led to a burgeoning of water
intensive enterprises, unlike places where a relative dearth of water
has led, quite unnaturally, to a burgeoning of water intensive
enterprises.....and a concommitant obsession with stream flow data.
Well, that's what ya get when EVERYBODY wants ALL of the paltry supply
of water, ainna? *I mean, ya might as well try agribusiness in a
****in' desert, eh?

g.
you're welcome.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah sure. Near as I can tell most of those cute little rivers ya got
there never flood,

Well, you're wrong again. *Flooding is not at all uncommon around
here.

unless there is some federal disaster money around
to scam.

Ooh! *Catty! *Never looked at the data closely, but I don't think
Wisconsin ranks really high on the federal disaster tit list.

Anyway I always get a kick at those stream structures you
folk like to build on trout streams. Reminds me of Boy Scouts and the
pole and rope fun we used to have. Keep up the effort.

Oh yeah? *You poopy faced snot! *HAH!

Well then, it would seem that with such natural advantages in your
aquarian State, and such a clear and simple personal understanding of
agribusiness, western water policy, and so much more, you could have
an incredible career as a motivational speaker in Midwestern farm
circles. My guess is that you could also probably put the Wisconsin
Fish agencies straight on why they have so much difficulty with
natural repro, huh? Stream flows not an issue huh?

Has it ever occurred to you that if you learned to master the
rudiments of arithmetic you wouldn't have to launch into these
periodic grade school snits? *Is it MY fault you can't add, subtract,
multiply and divide? *Am I responsible for your failure to distinguish
between a period and a comma? *Have I ever claimed to have managed a
municipal water supply? *Did MY ancestors ever save
civilization.....single-handedly.....innumerable times?

While you are at it maybe you could be a catalyst in reducing
Wisconsin's use of Western coal-fired dirty power production.

I do occasionally make mention of a viable alternative in these
pages. *Mostly, it doesn't generate much informed or interesting
discussion. *Hm.....maybe if your ancestors were Dutch.....?

Like
maybe folks need to learn to turn off some of those lights we see so
clearly in the satellite pix?

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me. *Got any good light
pollution links to share?

And that Forest Service lab those nasty
politicians have managed to retain in Wisconsin, despite the fact that
most of the real forestry research needs are in the West and the
South?

Really? *How do you keep score?

Go tell them that they don't need to cling to those hundreds of
feather-bedded jobs, why there is a future for them in, wait for
it . . . Wisconsin Agriculture.

Actually, I've never considred myself a very strong or convincing
advocate of agriculture. *I thought I had made that pretty clear.

Be their leader. Hooray. Come out West
and be our King and start your own religion.

That's been done to death.

Seriously Wolfgang, In my own limited way I have skin in the game,
real land, real water, real money.

See, that's your trouble. *You should be like the rest of us. *Just
eat the stuff that comes from the supermarkets. *No dirt, no muss, no
fuss.

cue patriotic music

I have made decisions and
investments and done work that is motivated by my desire to make an
actual contribution to a healthy river environment. Different
decisions could easily make more money.

fade patriotic music

But the choices ive made make
me feel good,

Well, good for you.

and produce a reasonable return.

Ah!

Why not go find more things that make you feel good,

You'd be amazed at what makes me feel good.

and cut back on the snippity? I myself am a great example of moderation you could
learn much from.

Would you agree to a paternity test on the spittle on my screen?

Dave
Cheese Kills

Sucks when people actually read and pay attention to what you write,
huh? * * * *

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Hey you dumb ****, if you could read you would realize just how much
slack most Roffians seem to cut you. Instead you just pile on the
smart ass insults and snippity snip like some petulant teenager. If
you are not interested in it, you dismiss it. Why not take a page from
your own book and look how folks treat your occasional cullings from
some of the classic fly fishing books. Do folks **** on your offerings
in that area? Nope. Why do you think that is?

Few people react negatively to an addition, a correction or a
clarification that advances a non-political discussion here on Roff,
unless , , , it is delivered in a disrespectful, smart assed way. Most
often the substance of your contributions, when you make the effort,
is good, however you seem bound and determined to wrap your
contributions in humorless nastiness.

I expect you will respond to this post like you usually do. But
sometime you ought to consider that life is short and you could get a
lot more from the fellowship that is on offer via Roff than your
present stance brings you. Lighten up.

Dave

On Nov 2, 11:36*am, DaveS wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:23*pm, Giles wrote:





On Nov 1, 8:40*pm, DaveS wrote:

On Nov 1, 4:51*pm, Giles wrote:
SNIP

That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, *for
one, *want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Burden?

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

Don't have any links to stream flow data in Wisconsin. *I think I may
have had something for the middle branch of the Ontonagon River (U.P.,
not Wisconsin) some years ago when I learned about a controversy about
diverting the water, but those disappeared along time ago. *Nothing
else. *The thing is, generally, stream flow is not much of an issue in
this part of the world. *There's oodles of water everywhere around
here. *In fact, it's kind of hard to find a dry spot to sit on in
Michigan or Wisconsin. *Not much reason to fight over water......not
much reason to be obsessed with stream flow data. *Quite naturally,
this abundance of water here has led to a burgeoning of water
intensive enterprises, unlike places where a relative dearth of water
has led, quite unnaturally, to a burgeoning of water intensive
enterprises.....and a concommitant obsession with stream flow data.
Well, that's what ya get when EVERYBODY wants ALL of the paltry supply
of water, ainna? *I mean, ya might as well try agribusiness in a
****in' desert, eh?

g.
you're welcome.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah sure. Near as I can tell most of those cute little rivers ya got
there never flood,

Well, you're wrong again. *Flooding is not at all uncommon around
here.

unless there is some federal disaster money around
to scam.

Ooh! *Catty! *Never looked at the data closely, but I don't think
Wisconsin ranks really high on the federal disaster tit list.

Anyway I always get a kick at those stream structures you
folk like to build on trout streams. Reminds me of Boy Scouts and the
pole and rope fun we used to have. Keep up the effort.

Oh yeah? *You poopy faced snot! *HAH!

Well then, it would seem that with such natural advantages in your
aquarian State, and such a clear and simple personal understanding of
agribusiness, western water policy, and so much more, you could have
an incredible career as a motivational speaker in Midwestern farm
circles. My guess is that you could also probably put the Wisconsin
Fish agencies straight on why they have so much difficulty with
natural repro, huh? Stream flows not an issue huh?

Has it ever occurred to you that if you learned to master the
rudiments of arithmetic you wouldn't have to launch into these
periodic grade school snits? *Is it MY fault you can't add, subtract,
multiply and divide? *Am I responsible for your failure to distinguish
between a period and a comma? *Have I ever claimed to have managed a
municipal water supply? *Did MY ancestors ever save
civilization.....single-handedly.....innumerable times?

While you are at it maybe you could be a catalyst in reducing
Wisconsin's use of Western coal-fired dirty power production.

I do occasionally make mention of a viable alternative in these
pages. *Mostly, it doesn't generate much informed or interesting
discussion. *Hm.....maybe if your ancestors were Dutch.....?

Like
maybe folks need to learn to turn off some of those lights we see so
clearly in the satellite pix?

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me. *Got any good light
pollution links to share?

And that Forest Service lab those nasty
politicians have managed to retain in Wisconsin, despite the fact that
most of the real forestry research needs are in the West and the
South?

Really? *How do you keep score?

Go tell them that they don't need to cling to those hundreds of
feather-bedded jobs, why there is a future for them in, wait for
it . . . Wisconsin Agriculture.

Actually, I've never considred myself a very strong or convincing
advocate of agriculture. *I thought I had made that pretty clear.

Be their leader. Hooray. Come out West
and be our King and start your own religion.

That's been done to death.

Seriously Wolfgang, In my own limited way I have skin in the game,
real land, real water, real money.

See, that's your trouble. *You should be like the rest of us. *Just
eat the stuff that comes from the supermarkets. *No dirt, no muss, no
fuss.

cue patriotic music

I have made decisions and
investments and done work that is motivated by my desire to make an
actual contribution to a healthy river environment. Different
decisions could easily make more money.

fade patriotic music

But the choices ive made make
me feel good,

Well, good for you.

and produce a reasonable return.

Ah!

Why not go find more things that make you feel good,

You'd be amazed at what makes me feel good.

and cut back on the snippity? I myself am a great example of moderation you could
learn much from.

Would you agree to a paternity test on the spittle on my screen?

Dave
Cheese Kills

Sucks when people actually read and pay attention to what you write,
huh? * * * *

g.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey you dumb ****, if you could read you would realize just how much
slack most Roffians seem to cut you.

Actually, I'm a pretty good reader. Not real fast, but I get the job
done.

Slack? That's not much of an issue around these parts. If it's a
scarce commodity where you live, I's suggest that you husband it.

Instead you just pile on the
smart ass insults and snippity snip like some petulant teenager.

I just LOVE it when you boys use the word petulent!

If you are not interested in it, you dismiss it.

Nah, if I'm not interested in it, I ignore it.....just like most
people. Almost makes you wonder why you children don't ignore me,
ainna?

Why not take a page from
your own book and look how folks treat your occasional cullings from
some of the classic fly fishing books. Do folks **** on your offerings
in that area? Nope. Why do you think that is?

The evidence suggests rather strongly that most people simply ignored
it. That's why you don't see it anymore. Get it?

Few people react negatively to an addition, a correction or a
clarification that advances a non-political discussion here on Roff,
unless , , , it is delivered in a disrespectful, smart assed way.

Or it's flat assed wrong.....and you make lame excuses.....and
compound those with stuff that is even more wrong. But, I'll grant
that even then most people may not react negatively. So?

Most
often the substance of your contributions, when you make the effort,
is good, however you seem bound and determined to wrap your
contributions in humorless nastiness.

Generally, nearly always, it's humorus nastiness. You and a few
others here just don't get it. And then it gets a bit more
complicated. I'd explain but.......

I expect you will respond to this post like you usually do.

But of course. Some jobs just have to be done. I have been many
things, but I've never been a slacker.

But sometime you ought to consider that life is short

There have been intimations.

and you could get a lot more from the fellowship that is on offer via Roff than your
present stance brings you.

Fellowship of the sort offered by you and davie and kennie and kennie
and stevie and jonnie and.....the diminutive member? Or more like
that served up by Jeff Miller, Wayne Harrison, Joel Axelrad, George
Cleveland, Wayne Knight, Bill Claspy, Chuck Vance, Tim Johnson, John
Baker, Frank Reid, etc.?

Lighten up.

Wipe the spittle off your chin.....and then come and clean my screen.

Dave-

g.

On Nov 2, 7:55*pm, Giles wrote:
On Nov 2, 11:36*am, DaveS wrote:





On Nov 1, 7:23*pm, Giles wrote:

On Nov 1, 8:40*pm, DaveS wrote:

On Nov 1, 4:51*pm, Giles wrote:
SNIP

That's one hell of a burden you carry for the rest of us and I, *for
one, *want to thank you for your service. ;+}}

Burden?

Dave
Now post a link per stream flow data for Wisconsin, . . . more than
the Fed data if possible.

Don't have any links to stream flow data in Wisconsin. *I think I may
have had something for the middle branch of the Ontonagon River (U.P.,
not Wisconsin) some years ago when I learned about a controversy about
diverting the water, but those disappeared along time ago. *Nothing
else. *The thing is, generally, stream flow is not much of an issue in
this part of the world. *There's oodles of water everywhere around
here. *In fact, it's kind of hard to find a dry spot to sit on in
Michigan or Wisconsin. *Not much reason to fight over water.......not
much reason to be obsessed with stream flow data. *Quite naturally,
this abundance of water here has led to a burgeoning of water
intensive enterprises, unlike places where a relative dearth of water
has led, quite unnaturally, to a burgeoning of water intensive
enterprises.....and a concommitant obsession with stream flow data.
Well, that's what ya get when EVERYBODY wants ALL of the paltry supply
of water, ainna? *I mean, ya might as well try agribusiness in a
****in' desert, eh?

g.
you're welcome.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah sure. Near as I can tell most of those cute little rivers ya got
there never flood,

Well, you're wrong again. *Flooding is not at all uncommon around
here.

unless there is some federal disaster money around
to scam.

Ooh! *Catty! *Never looked at the data closely, but I don't think
Wisconsin ranks really high on the federal disaster tit list.

Anyway I always get a kick at those stream structures you
folk like to build on trout streams. Reminds me of Boy Scouts and the
pole and rope fun we used to have. Keep up the effort.

Oh yeah? *You poopy faced snot! *HAH!

Well then, it would seem that with such natural advantages in your
aquarian State, and such a clear and simple personal understanding of
agribusiness, western water policy, and so much more, you could have
an incredible career as a motivational speaker in Midwestern farm
circles. My guess is that you could also probably put the Wisconsin
Fish agencies straight on why they have so much difficulty with
natural repro, huh? Stream flows not an issue huh?

Has it ever occurred to you that if you learned to master the
rudiments of arithmetic you wouldn't have to launch into these
periodic grade school snits? *Is it MY fault you can't add, subtract,
multiply and divide? *Am I responsible for your failure to distinguish
between a period and a comma? *Have I ever claimed to have managed a
municipal water supply? *Did MY ancestors ever save
civilization.....single-handedly.....innumerable times?

While you are at it maybe you could be a catalyst in reducing
Wisconsin's use of Western coal-fired dirty power production.

I do occasionally make mention of a viable alternative in these
pages. *Mostly, it doesn't generate much informed or interesting
discussion. *Hm.....maybe if your ancestors were Dutch.....?

Like
maybe folks need to learn to turn off some of those lights we see so
clearly in the satellite pix?

That sounds like a pretty good idea to me. *Got any good light
pollution links to share?

And that Forest Service lab those nasty
politicians have managed to retain in Wisconsin, despite the fact that
most of the real forestry research needs are in the West and the
South?

Really? *How do you keep score?

Go tell them that they don't need to cling to those hundreds of
feather-bedded jobs, why there is a future for them in, wait for
it . . . Wisconsin Agriculture.

Actually, I've never considred myself a very strong or convincing
advocate of agriculture. *I thought I had made that pretty clear.

Be their leader. Hooray. Come out West
and be our King and start your own religion.

That's been done to death.

Seriously Wolfgang, In my own limited way I have skin in the game,
real land, real water, real money.

See, that's your trouble. *You should be like the rest of us. *Just
eat the stuff that comes from the supermarkets. *No dirt, no muss, no
fuss.

cue patriotic music

I have made decisions and
investments and done work that is motivated by my desire to make an
actual contribution to a healthy river environment. Different
decisions could easily make more money.

fade patriotic music

But the choices ive made make
me feel good,

Well, good for you.

and produce a reasonable return.

Ah!

Why not go find more things that make you feel good,

You'd be amazed at what makes me feel good.

and cut back on the snippity? I myself am a great example of moderation you could
learn much from.

Would you agree to a paternity test on the spittle on my screen?

Dave
Cheese Kills

Sucks when people actually read and pay attention to what you write,
huh? * * * *

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Hey you dumb ****, if you could read you would realize just how much
slack most Roffians seem to cut you.

Actually, I'm a pretty good reader. *Not real fast, but I get the job
done.

Slack? *That's not much of an issue around these parts. *If it's a
scarce commodity where you live, I's suggest that you husband it.

Instead you just pile on the
smart ass insults and snippity snip like some petulant teenager.

I just LOVE it when you boys use the word petulent! * * * *

If you are not interested in it, you dismiss it.

Nah, if I'm not interested in it, I ignore it.....just like most
people. *Almost makes you wonder why you children don't ignore me,
ainna?

Why not take a page from
your own book and look how folks treat your occasional cullings from
some of the classic fly fishing books. Do folks **** on your offerings
in that area? Nope. Why do you think that is?

The evidence suggests rather strongly that most people simply ignored
it. *That's why you don't see it anymore. *Get it?

Few people react negatively to an addition, a correction or a
clarification that advances a non-political discussion here on Roff,
unless , , , it is delivered in a disrespectful, smart assed way.

Or it's flat assed wrong.....and you make lame excuses.....and
compound those with stuff that is even more wrong. *But, I'll grant
that even then most people may not react negatively. *So?

Most
often the substance of your contributions, when you make the effort,
is good, however you seem bound and determined to wrap your
contributions in humorless nastiness.

Generally, nearly always, it's humorus nastiness. *You and a few
others here just don't get it. *And then it gets a bit more
complicated. *I'd explain but.......

I expect you will respond to this post like you usually do.

But of course. *Some jobs just have to be done. *I have been many
things, but I've never been a slacker.

But sometime you ought to consider that life is short

There have been intimations.

and you could get a lot more from the fellowship that is on offer via Roff than your
present stance brings you.

Fellowship of the sort offered by you and davie and kennie and kennie
and stevie and jonnie and.....the diminutive member? *Or more like
that served up by Jeff Miller, Wayne Harrison, Joel Axelrad, George
Cleveland, Wayne Knight, Bill Claspy, Chuck Vance, Tim Johnson, John
Baker, Frank Reid, etc.?

Lighten up.

Wipe the spittle off your chin.....and then come and clean my screen.

Dave-

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Well good luck with your issues lad and I am genuinely glad you
recognize some Roffian fellowship. Since you have zip more to
contribute to a thread on "Streamflow data" maybe you can focus your
comments on some other on-topic thread needing your unique
perspectives.

Dave