Q: North America in Jul-Aug

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:31:41 +0200, Jarmo Hurri
wrote:

If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
should probably avoid those areas.


Most of the flatlanders from Wisconsin make their western hegiras
(mostly to Montana) in July and August. They all seem to catch fish. I
wouldn't scratch the northern Rockies from your list.

Geo. C.

If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
regions over there.

Actually, a lot of the best fishing in southern Alberta is during
mid-late july and August. Especially small creeks, and these tned to be
less crowded. The fish are not huge, but repsectable, and fun.

Tim Lysyk

Jarmo Hurri wrote:
Greetings!

Next year is a special occasion for me and some of my Finnish friends:
once again, our capacity to function decreases slightly and probability
of death increases, but this time there is some nice numerology
involved.

To celebrate this, we have planned a longer fishing trip. There are
several possible locations, including Sweden / Norway and
Greenland. However, for some weird reason some of us would be
particularly interested in fishing either in the US or in Canada. If we
would come to North America, the timing would be end of July / beginning
of August. The whole trip would take 2-3 weeks.

We have already explored many of the possibilities. We have surfed the
net extensively. We have read books about Alaska, Vancouver Island, and
I have admired Behnke's Trout and Salmon of North America. My friends
have made a two-week trip to Alaska once (in October, IIRC). I have
wetted line in Vancouver twice, but not very successfully.

If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
regions over there.

We do have some money to spend on this, but we're not filthy rich. My
favorite type of fishing is small-stream fishing, but my friends like to
target bigger fish, and I have nothing against that. Unfortunately
neither stillwater fishing nor combat fishing are our favorites.

Please help us speed up economic recovery and global warming, or at
least help us survive this long Nordic winter.


July and August are prime months for the northern Rockies, but it all
depends on the weather, which is highly variable. In a decent snowpack
year June is typically a runoff month. This year, with our cold, wet
Spring, runoff went into July here in Idaho, but that was unusual.

September is my favorite month for fishing the northern Rockies. After
Labor Day (a peculiar American holiday that always falls on the first
Monday on September, and which marks the unofficial end of summer) the
crowds go way down. The low flows are good for fly fishing.

Some famous trout rivers, like the Big Hole in Montana, can't support
fishing during a warm, low-water summer, but I think those are exceptions.

If the weather is hot fish early and late, and fish the higher elevations.

There are plenty of tailwaters that are relatively insensitive to
short-term weather conditions and that are managed for sport fishing.

Regarding Alaska, not going there because you've "already been to Alaska
once" is silly. Alaska is HUGE. The main problem with Alaska is that
road access is extremely limited, which inevitably leads to combat
fishing. Getting away from the crowds involves either an expensive lodge
or outfitter or a carefully planned do-it-yourself float trip.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:31:41 +0200, Jarmo Hurri
wrote:


Greetings!

Next year is a special occasion for me and some of my Finnish friends:
once again, our capacity to function decreases slightly and probability
of death increases, but this time there is some nice numerology
involved.

To celebrate this, we have planned a longer fishing trip. There are
several possible locations, including Sweden / Norway and
Greenland. However, for some weird reason some of us would be
particularly interested in fishing either in the US or in Canada. If we
would come to North America, the timing would be end of July / beginning
of August. The whole trip would take 2-3 weeks.

We have already explored many of the possibilities. We have surfed the
net extensively. We have read books about Alaska, Vancouver Island, and
I have admired Behnke's Trout and Salmon of North America. My friends
have made a two-week trip to Alaska once (in October, IIRC). I have
wetted line in Vancouver twice, but not very successfully.

If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
regions over there.

We do have some money to spend on this, but we're not filthy rich. My
favorite type of fishing is small-stream fishing, but my friends like to
target bigger fish, and I have nothing against that. Unfortunately
neither stillwater fishing nor combat fishing are our favorites.

Please help us speed up economic recovery and global warming, or at
least help us survive this long Nordic winter.


Just to toss it out, but IMO, if you have three weeks in the US, why not see a
little more of it? Maybe a week in each of three regions. I'd suggest the
Northwest, the central/north-central Atlantic, and the Gulf Coast. You'd
experience a range of fishing and people you'll not find anywhere else in the
world, and with a little planning, it would not need to be terribly expensive,
either. I grant that my personal preferences do play into this - I'd not really
want to spend 3 weeks at one time fishing _anywhere_, for _anything_, if it were
pretty much the same the entire time. A week to 10 days, including travel time,
in wherever fishing for whatever, yes, but more than that, not so much.

Does such an idea appeal to you and your group at all? If so, I think the range
of suggestions will be much more expansive.

TC,
R

Once place that I think is about perfect that time of year, is western
Colorado. I lived there for 15 years, unfortunately I only get to
visit every couple of years now. Think about staying at least a week
(or more), and I would highly recommend staying in the Glenwood
Springs, Colorado area, because it is so centrally located, you are
less than 1 hour drive from all these rivers: Colorado (flows thru
Glenwood), Eagle, Roaring Fork, Crystal, Frying Pan, plus Many, many,
smaller creeks, and if you are into hiking, there are very small
creeks hiking accessible that have lots of smaller brookies and
cutthroats. Also the White River basin is only a few hours drive.

If you decide to go, let me know, as I have a few "secret" creeks I
would share privately.

Good Luck!!

Dan
http://www.MyFishingPlaces.com




On Oct 31, 10:31*am, Jarmo Hurri
wrote:
Greetings!

Next year is a special occasion for me and some of my Finnish friends:
once again, our capacity to function decreases slightly and probability
of death increases, but this time there is some nice numerology
involved.

To celebrate this, we have planned a longer fishing trip. There are
several possible locations, including Sweden / Norway and
Greenland. However, for some weird reason some of us would be
particularly interested in fishing either in the US or in Canada. If we
would come to North America, the timing would be end of July / beginning
of August. The whole trip would take 2-3 weeks.

We have already explored many of the possibilities. We have surfed the
net extensively. We have read books about Alaska, Vancouver Island, and
I have admired Behnke's Trout and Salmon of North America. My friends
have made a two-week trip to Alaska once (in October, IIRC). I have
wetted line in Vancouver twice, but not very successfully.

If we have understood correctly, the end of July / the beginning of
August is not the best possible time to come there. In many places the
probability of warm water and bad fishing is relatively high. This
concerns places such as Vancouver Island, Montana / Wyoming / Idaho, and
Alberta and mainland British Columbia, and we have concluded that we
should probably avoid those areas. The places which we have found most
promising are Labrador and Newfoundland and the Susitna region in
Alaska. However, Labrador and Newfoundland have the guide regulations,
and my friends have already been to Alaska once. We are looking for
suggestions of other possible locations and ideas and comments about any
regions over there.

We do have some money to spend on this, but we're not filthy rich. My
favorite type of fishing is small-stream fishing, but my friends like to
target bigger fish, and I have nothing against that. Unfortunately
neither stillwater fishing nor combat fishing are our favorites.

Please help us speed up economic recovery and global warming, or at
least help us survive this long Nordic winter.

--
Jarmo Hurri

Remove all garbage from header email address when replying, or just
use .

On Oct 31, 7:31*am, Jarmo Hurri wrote:


Montana / Wyoming / Idaho,

....we have concluded that we should probably avoid those areas.


FWIW,
It IS possible to find a fish, or two, willing to eat flies, in
Montahoming ....even in July/August

Larry L wrote:
On Oct 31, 7:31 am, Jarmo Hurri wrote:



Montana / Wyoming / Idaho,


....we have concluded that we should probably avoid those areas.



FWIW,
It IS possible to find a fish, or two, willing to eat flies, in
Montahoming ....even in July/August

Understatement of the month.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On 31 Okt, 16:31, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
Greetings!

Next year is a special occasion
snip
Jarmo Hurri


It feels a loooong time since I last posted on ROFF, but now I find it
hard to resist.
I can't spend as much time travelling around north America as Jarmo
and his friends, and I already have some fishing trips for 2010
planned (Jarmo mentioned one in Sweden), but I think it is about time
I did try out the fishing in the western part of the US. I've already
mentioned this to a couple of friends on another forum (Vaughan Hurry
among them), and it met with some interest.
What I would like is the opportunity to meet some of the guys present
when I visited the Penns clave and/or some of the people on this
forum, so here's a question from me: Wasn't there a western clave at
some point? What happened to it, or does it still occur?
Anyway, even if there isn't a western clave any longer, I would still
hope to do some fishing with people I've talked to/discussed with
rather than me and my friends trying the area out on our own. So what
are the chances of meeting up with some of you guys to do some
fishing?

/Roger Ohlund

On Nov 2, 11:23*am, angler wrote:
On 31 Okt, 16:31, Jarmo Hurri wrote:

Greetings!

Next year is a special occasion
snip
Jarmo Hurri

It feels a loooong time since I last posted on ROFF, but now I find it
hard to resist.
I can't spend as much time travelling around north America as Jarmo
and his friends, and I already have some fishing trips for 2010
planned (Jarmo mentioned one in Sweden), but I think it is about time
I did try out the fishing in the western part of the US. I've already
mentioned this to a couple of friends on another forum (Vaughan Hurry
among them), and it met with some interest.
What I would like is the opportunity to meet some of the guys present
when I visited the Penns clave and/or some of the people on this
forum, so here's a question from me: Wasn't there a western clave at
some point? What happened to it, or does it still occur?
Anyway, even if there isn't a western clave any longer, I would still
hope to do some fishing with people I've talked to/discussed with
rather than me and my friends trying the area out on our own. So what
are the chances of meeting up with some of you guys to do some
fishing?

/Roger Ohlund

I think your chances are near certainty. Come on over.

BTW looked at your profile quote from Hill the railroad baron. I think
the "swedes" he was talking about is the archaic US word for a type of
root vegetable, usually a type of turnip, but sometimes meaning a
sweet potato variety and sometimes a kind of livestock food. It wasn't
meant offensively. A mash of potato and "swede" was a common working
class staple for the pioneering Irish track laying crews that pushed
J'P' Hill's Northern Pacific RR across the plains to the ocean.

I think Hill was saying that given tobacco, booze and turnips, he
could build a railroad to hell. I would have added soy sauce for the
Chinese dynamite crews, but having walked Hill's roadbed thru some of
the Cascade mountains, I don't think he was making an empty boast.

Dave

On 2 Nov, 22:38, DaveS wrote:
On Nov 2, 11:23*am, angler wrote:



On 31 Okt, 16:31, Jarmo Hurri wrote:

Greetings!

Next year is a special occasion
snip
Jarmo Hurri

It feels a loooong time since I last posted on ROFF, but now I find it
hard to resist.
I can't spend as much time travelling around north America as Jarmo
and his friends, and I already have some fishing trips for 2010
planned (Jarmo mentioned one in Sweden), but I think it is about time
I did try out the fishing in the western part of the US. I've already
mentioned this to a couple of friends on another forum (Vaughan Hurry
among them), and it met with some interest.
What I would like is the opportunity to meet some of the guys present
when I visited the Penns clave and/or some of the people on this
forum, so here's a question from me: Wasn't there a western clave at
some point? What happened to it, or does it still occur?
Anyway, even if there isn't a western clave any longer, I would still
hope to do some fishing with people I've talked to/discussed with
rather than me and my friends trying the area out on our own. So what
are the chances of meeting up with some of you guys to do some
fishing?

/Roger Ohlund

I think your chances are near certainty. Come on over.

BTW looked at your profile quote from Hill the railroad baron. I think
the "swedes" he was talking about is the archaic US word for a type of
root vegetable, usually a type of turnip, but sometimes meaning a
sweet potato variety and sometimes a kind of livestock food. It wasn't
meant offensively. A mash of potato and "swede" was a common working
class staple for the pioneering Irish track laying crews that pushed
J'P' Hill's Northern Pacific RR across the plains to the ocean.

I think Hill was saying that given tobacco, booze and turnips, he
could build a railroad to hell. I would have added soy sauce for the
Chinese dynamite crews, but having walked Hill's roadbed thru some of
the Cascade mountains, I don't think he was making an empty boast.

Dave

Maybe I was fooled by the "Swedes" with a capital S, or it could have
something to do with the following:

"President Lincoln's Homestead Act of 1862, the political
stabilization after 1865, and the enormously expanding industries of
the North represented three important drawing factors on Swedish
emigration to the U.S. The generous offer of the Homestead Act became
a powerful magnet on land-hungry farm people. This also destined them
to the so-called Homestead Triangle, especially to Minnesota, which
became the Swede State of America. This was in accordance with the
politics of Minnesota, where in 1867 a state immigration office was
established. The Swedish Civil War colonel Hans Mattson became its
first director. The result of the Swedish land-hunger was that the
area of Swedish-owned farmland in America of 1920 corresponded to 2/3
of all arable land in Sweden. In some counties, such as Chicago,
Isanti and Kanabec in Minnesota, the land became almost totally owned
by Swedes. A string of Swedish settlements also grew up around the new
railroads. The possibility of combining farmwork with jobs for the
railroad or a lumber company was important for the penniless Swedes.
Most of the unmarried men worked as lumberjacks or on the railroads.
The railroad king James Hill is quoted: "Give me snuff, whiskey and
Swedes, and I will build a railroad to hell." "

/Roger