Really, guys, I'm trying to get on-board with Obama, but...

wrote:
I mean, I don't hate the guy, or even dislike him, esp. personally, but really -
where is the change, the hope, yada-yada-yada...? It's still the same ol'
bull****...

The worldwide economy was snatched back from the brink of
almost certain disaster by Obama's team. That's hardly the
same ol' bull**** which got us into that mess in the first
place.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:35:28 -0600, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
I mean, I don't hate the guy, or even dislike him, esp. personally, but really -
where is the change, the hope, yada-yada-yada...? It's still the same ol'
bull****...

The worldwide economy was snatched back from the brink of
almost certain disaster by Obama's team. That's hardly the
same ol' bull**** which got us into that mess in the first
place.

That's just incorrect, over-the-top, partisan Obamaniac nonsense, and if nothing
more, it's same partisan bull**** that claims Clinton's admin (and to a lesser
extent, Reagan's) fiscal policies were all good. Clinton's admin
allowed/created (as much by inaction as action) much of the situation that was a
big part of the pro-actively created (as opposed to the more-or-less "normal
cycles") current mess and Bush's did little to stem the tide. And now, Obama's
is acting just as crazily. And of course, the US Congress, GOP and Dem members
alike, and with all four trotters, has been actively participating, too.

Can you give any examples of how Obama's team has done anything of real
substance for "the worldwide economy," much less snatched from the brink of
disaster? And pointing to helping the Japanese auto industry via Cash for
Clunkers doesn't count for much...with all due respect to the writers at SNL...

Can you even give an example of any substantive idea of their own they have
implemented insofar it "saving" the "worldwide economy?"

TC,
R

Welcome to the real 1984 and Big Brother. The big O and his toadies
Pelosi
and Reid think that if they just say something enough, then it will be
true. The
problem is that so many clueless Americans worship this huckster and
actually
believe what he says, regardless of the truth. Jobs saved? That's just
pure
nonsense. And, he keeps prattling on about all the help for small
businesses.
Another load of crap. I have a small business and I can tell you that
there is
nothing for us.

"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
Welcome to the real 1984 and Big Brother. The big O and his toadies
Pelosi
and Reid think that if they just say something enough, then it will be
true. The
problem is that so many clueless Americans worship this huckster and
actually
believe what he says, regardless of the truth. Jobs saved? That's just
pure
nonsense. And, he keeps prattling on about all the help for small
businesses.
Another load of crap. I have a small business and I can tell you that
there is
nothing for us.

And in keeping with that mind set, the superb communication skills...you
will always have a small business


john

" ...you will always have a small business "



small businesses can be good.....thank you....

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:10:08 -0800, "John B" wrote:


"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
...
Welcome to the real 1984 and Big Brother. The big O and his toadies
Pelosi
and Reid think that if they just say something enough, then it will be
true. The
problem is that so many clueless Americans worship this huckster and
actually
believe what he says, regardless of the truth. Jobs saved? That's just
pure
nonsense. And, he keeps prattling on about all the help for small
businesses.
Another load of crap. I have a small business and I can tell you that
there is
nothing for us.

And in keeping with that mind set, the superb communication skills...you
will always have a small business

Well, he will with appropriate stimulus...

HTH,
R
....yeah, probably not...


john

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
The worldwide economy was snatched back from the brink of
almost certain disaster by Obama's team.

huh?? The worldwide economy?? Geez, Ken let's get the ideological blinders
off, and look at reality. If the 'worldwide economy' approached the 'brink
of almost certain disaster' at all(I suspect not), it was probably during
the fall of 2008. Bush's team sort of held their collective noses and
steered out of that mess, whether one agrees with the tactics or not. Obama
had not even won the damned election.

Now, and I suspect Rick will disagree with me here, I do feel that Obama's
team has taken steps to lessen the severity of the impact on the citizenry
of the US. As Biden stated last week, in 8 months we have gone from,"will
this be the next Great Depression" to "I wonder what shape the recovery will
take", and that is a positive thing.

It always amuses me that any person or group assigns dramatic economic
impact to politicians. They, as Rick notes rightly, do affect trends, either
by actions or inactions, but far more complex and stronger forces are
generally at work. The role of politicians is to take the economic realities
they face and try and do the best for the society as a whole. Time will tell
if the Obama administration succeeds in that goal. So far, I'll give them
credit for intelligent thinking on the matter, but, as with so much of the
current scene, from the economy, to healthcare, to foreign affairs, any
person looking at things dispassionately has to say the jury is still out.
For example, today finds Hillary Clinton glowing over the remarkably
cooperative attitude of the Israeli government towards settlements in what
the Palistinians wish to be their homeland. Looks like the same-old same-old
that got us into a ****load of trouble to me.......
Tom



That's hardly the
same ol' bull**** which got us into that mess in the first
place.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
The worldwide economy was snatched back from the brink of
almost certain disaster by Obama's team.

huh?? The worldwide economy?? ...

Yep, the worldwide economy. How quickly you forget.

Consider this a reply to both you and Rick, you're entitled
to your own opinions but not your own facts.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Consider this a reply to both you and Rick, you're entitled
to your own opinions but not your own facts.

and you, to your fantasies. This is an example of where turning the Obama
presidency into something it is not serves no one any good. I dare say that,
in some fashion, the world economy would have survived any event that
occurred this calender year, when Obama was in charge.
For you to claim otherwise starts to put you into Beancounter territory.
Tom

Tom Littleton wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Consider this a reply to both you and Rick, you're entitled
to your own opinions but not your own facts.

and you, to your fantasies. This is an example of where turning the Obama
presidency into something it is not serves no one any good. I dare say that,
in some fashion, the world economy would have survived any event that
occurred this calender year, when Obama was in charge.
For you to claim otherwise starts to put you into Beancounter territory.

Right-wing, left-wing, no wing, practically every economist and
financial analyst on the planet agreed that the worldwide economy
was headed straight down the toilet. A global depression on a par
with the Great Depression following the Wall Street Crash of 1929
seemed inevitable at the time. That's fact.

Ignoring facts is not healthy.

--
Ken Fortenberry