Really, guys, I'm trying to get on-board with Obama, but...

On Nov 2, 5:05*am, wrote:

To repeat . . .

You guys pooped in your pants with war, war, kleptomania, stealing,
prostitutes, 23 right-wing Tories in jail or under indictment for
stealing and counting. torture and war profiteering, shooting one
another in the face, running the
country into the ditch, and pretending that you just loved the USA
while your heroes like Grover Norquist took big money from a Hamas and
Hezbollah operative now in prison.

People voted your guys out because your team could not manage their
way out of a paper bag, not a one of them had a kid at risk, and they
could not keep their hands out of the till, or their toes from a-
tappen in public restrooms.

Now your heckling is about all your impotent ideology has left in its
worn out Gucci bag.

Let's talk about something you might actually know about. How about
Abramoff (now in prison) and the Mississippi Casino money that funded
some of those Christian freako shenanigans, Delay's drunk and
prostitute money bag, etc Wasn't some of that dirty money laundered
thru Grover Norquist's Hamas and Hezbollah-loving consulting company?
You must have heard something on the whackjob/Tory street about the
Justice Department's investigations?

Dave

"DaveS" wrote in message
...
Let's talk about something you might actually know about. How about
Abramoff (now in prison) and the Mississippi Casino money that funded
some of those Christian freako shenanigans, Delay's drunk and
prostitute money bag, etc Wasn't some of that dirty money laundered
thru Grover Norquist's Hamas and Hezbollah-loving consulting company?
You must have heard something on the whackjob/Tory street about the
Justice Department's investigations?

Dave


If you are intent on becoming the left nut equivalent of Beancounter on the
right, you are off to a fine start!!

Speaking as a realist, and a long-time worker/contributor to the Dems, the
main thing going for them at the minute is the profusion of nutcase,
litmus-test, right-wing Repubs destined to eliminate any functional
two-party system.
Thus far, Obama has been badly hampered by those who expected things from
him that weren't realistic, and if the list of folks that separate the Idea
of Obama from the Reality of Obama grows, he could well be beatable by a
functional opponent. As I've stated, we a less than a year into the process,
and his intentions and intellect are sound, so my hopes are high that he
will get some traction. The LAST thing progressives need is an outpouring of
fruitcake spews like Dave is treating us to above.
Tom

On Nov 2, 3:46*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


SNIP

The LAST thing progressives need is an outpouring of
fruitcake spews like Dave is treating us to above.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Maybe its time for you to catch up on the on-going series of trials
and investigations following on the Abramoff scandal? Either that or
maybe you can re-direct your comment on fruitcake spews to the Justice
Department teams prosecuting these cases. Millions of casino interest
money were (are?) involved.

Dave
Follow the Money

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:41:28 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:

On Nov 2, 3:46*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


SNIP

The LAST thing progressives need is an outpouring of
fruitcake spews like Dave is treating us to above.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Maybe its time for you to catch up on the on-going series of trials
and investigations following on the Abramoff scandal? Either that or
maybe you can re-direct your comment on fruitcake spews to the Justice
Department teams prosecuting these cases. Millions of casino interest
money were (are?) involved.

Dave
Follow the Money

The big players in MS casinos are Harrah's and MGM Mirage (with the Hard Rock
nipping at the heels, even with Premier's Chapter 11, and Penn
National/Hollywood Casinos - NASDAQ-listed corp. - bringing up the rear in
Hancock Co.). I really didn't follow the minutiae of the whole Abramoff thing,
but as I understand it, he was a pretty bi-partisan crook, mainly dealing with
the "Indian" casino attempts outside of MS. While the Choctaws have their place
up in Philadelphia, MS, they aren't anywhere near Harrah's and MGM in terms of
being "big players." Hell, they tried to build a ****-ant little place on some
land they bought near, but not on, the coast in Jackson County (no casinos in
the county) and the locals shut them down, just as they had all other attempts
by others. And FWIW, the attempt was a pretty ****-poor one, as far as
attempting to win over the community. And no, "racism" played very little part
in it, if any at all. They have a number of successful businesses in Jackson
Co., but they just tried to pull several fast ones, including trying to force a
casino where none from anyone was wanted by the community, and did it without
any "help" from anyone outside the Tribe and its leaders. If they had, for
example, tried to open a non-gaming business on the land and add to the
community, they would have been welcomed with open arms, as they have been on
other ventures.

And AFAIK, the "Indians" don't have anywhere near the bucks to go into
Biloxi/Harrison County as they have up in Philadelphia (MS), or even Gulfport
(which **** in its own messkit casinos in the aftermath of Katrina) or
Hancock County, nor have I heard about any serious attempts from them on that
front. And being bestest buddies with every pol and lobbyist, of every
political or apolitical bent, from Abramoff to Obama would not change that. It's
only an educated guess, but I'd say it would take at least $300 mil in cash - in
hand - to really make a serious play - land costs alone are probably several
hundred - yep, several hundred - times higher, coast vs. Neshoba County. The
Choctaw's "River Resort" has faced economic problems, and the "Margaritaville"
(Harrah's) is in all-but-stopped mode.

IAC, the Choctaws (as an organization) are fairly sophisticated, knowledgeable
businesspeople, and they have tried to gain advantages (and skirt/ignore regs,
ala the Jackson County attempt) using their "Indian" status, and done so without
help from Abramoff or anyone else. Abramoff may have screwed them, but I can
tell you, they got involved with him eyes-open, and whatever they did, they did
as, er, "aggressive business." While I don't universally subscribe to the old
saying about not being able to cheat an honest man, in the case, it is
applicable.

HTH,
R

On Nov 3, 11:32*am, wrote:

RD says ". . . I really didn't follow the minutiae of the whole
Abramoff thing,
but as I understand it, he was a pretty bi-partisan crook. . . . "

Yep.
And the Pope is a Buddist,

Dave
I am sorry folks but this one of RD's is the kind that made Pinochio's
nose do that thing it did. You all come soon to a theater near you and
see, "Casino Jack," the Abramoff story. Yep, it's a real movie.

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:55:14 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:

On Nov 3, 11:32*am, wrote:

RD says ". . . I really didn't follow the minutiae of the whole
Abramoff thing,
but as I understand it, he was a pretty bi-partisan crook. . . . "

Yep.
And the Pope is a Buddist,

Dave
I am sorry folks but this one of RD's is the kind that made Pinochio's
nose do that thing it did. You all come soon to a theater near you and
see, "Casino Jack," the Abramoff story. Yep, it's a real movie.

OK.

HTH,
R

On Nov 2, 3:46*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Tom, you said . . . "The LAST thing progressives need is an outpouring
of
fruitcake spews like Dave is treating us to above."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Actually the FIRST thing that progressives and all patriotic American
conservatives need is to understand is that at the core of the
rightwing are a group of serious whackjob financiers and
fundamentalists whose words will tell you that they want to overthrow
the democratic, constitutional form of our government, destroy two
party politics, and install a theocracy. They call themselves "the
Family," and they call their objective "dominion." Their principal
leader currently is Dr. Dobson, and their main secretariat is "Focus
on the Family" based in Colorado.

If you don't think they are influential you were not paying attention
during the Florida recount debacle, internal R struggles, or the more
recent "Teaparty" demos.

Dave

On Nov 2, 5:46*pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:


Speaking as a realist....

Yeah, but then, who isn't?

Tom

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