Q: North America in Jul-Aug

On 3 Nov, 16:51, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
I will try to answer all of the replies in this single post.

First, on the topic of Montana / Idaho / Wyoming, you have to understand
that we are looking at this from distance and based on what we read from
the news. From here it has seemed that in many summers, the temperatures
and water levels in that region have been dramatic. Something similar to
what Fred and rw wrote:

Fred So fishing in MT (w plenty of small streams- and bigger ones ,
Fred rivers) has been good this time of year. In other yrs July begins
Fred the start of a hot dry 2 mo fire season where you are fishing for
Fred already stressed fish

rw July and August are prime months for the northern Rockies, but it
rw all depends on the weather, which is highly variable.

If the risks would be tolerable, for me the Montana / Wyoming / Idaho
(and now Colorado) region would definitely be the #1 choice. The
following responses only strengthened this idea:

Dave I think the wide expanse of the American and Canadian West during
Dave July and August, with some Roffians as guides could make for a
Dave once in a lifetime experience. Perhaps flying into Salt Lake or
Dave Colorado, then working your way North into Wyoming, Montana,
Dave Oregon, Washington, and maybe even Eastern BC on up past 150 Mile
Dave house into the Horsefly country etc. *Think "road trip," no big
Dave cities, big sky, your very own cowboy hats, Jo Joes, much less
Dave than world class motels, real North Americans etc.., and lots of
Dave challenging technical fishing, on as many beautiful small streams
Dave and rivers as you would have probably seen in your lives.

rw If the weather is hot fish early and late, and fish the higher
rw elevations. There are plenty of tailwaters that are relatively
rw insensitive to short-term weather conditions and that are managed
rw for sport fishing.

jeff I like July in Montana...runoff is usually over in most places and
jeff there is every kind of fishing a person could want... i think
jeff yellowstone park is a must see for every person on the planet...

Tim Actually, a lot of the best fishing in southern Alberta is during
Tim mid-late july and August. Especially small creeks, and these tned
Tim to be less crowded. The fish are not huge, but repsectable, and
Tim fun.

Dan Once place that I think is about perfect that time of year, is
Dan western Colorado. *... Colorado (flows thru Glenwood), Eagle,
Dan Roaring Fork, Crystal, Frying Pan, plus Many, many, smaller creeks,
Dan and if you are into hiking, there are very small creeks hiking
Dan accessible that have lots of smaller brookies and cutthroats.

To summarize, I think I will proceed to try to convince my friends that
Western US / Canada would be our target.

On the idea of seeing a lot of different areas:

RDean Just to toss it out, but IMO, if you have three weeks in the US,
RDean why not see a little more of it? *Maybe a week in each of three
RDean regions. *I'd suggest the Northwest, the central/north-central
RDean Atlantic, and the Gulf Coast. *You'd experience a range of
RDean fishing and people you'll not find anywhere else in the world...

Unfortunately I like fishing so much that every day spent packing and
traveling hurts. So I think that two geographical regions is the
maximum; preferably just one region and the possibility to move by car
(and keep all the gear "ready to be fished at any moment").

Frank A week in Arkansas on the White, North Fork and the Buffalo would
Frank be a hoot. The first two are tail waters with some of the biggest
Frank trout in the US.

I have heard / read of these places. IIRC, these have _amazing_ fish
densities. My friends might enjoy these rivers because of the larger
fish.

Dave Certain spots in Maine fish well in July, not so much in August.
Dave The Rapid, Malagalawy, and the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake fish
Dave well. Big brookies and landlocked salmon are the prey.

Unfortunately, if we are traveling as a group, end of July / beginning
of August is the only possible time. (Otherwise during the summer I am
more flexible than the rest of the group, and during the rest of the
season I am less flexible.)

Dave It's tough to fish Labrador without a guide.

From what I have understood, it is not only tough but very limited,
because they have the rule that you need to have 1 guide per two
fishermen if you are farther than 800 meters (or something similar) from
a highway. For three guys that would mean two guides.

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Jarmo Hurri

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Good summary Jarmo, I agree with what you wrote with the slightly
different perspective of only having about one week to spend on such
an adventure.
How different wouldn't it be to meet up in the west of the US, rather
than the remote (read unpopulated) destinations we usually meet, I'll
see if I can't get Vaughan to join.
For our American friends reading this, I would be really keen on
meeting up with like minded (not to say single minded ;-) ) fly-
fishermen. To fish together with guys with local knowledge of an
area......., - beats most scenarios.

/Roger

We live in NW Montana near Glacier
Its a 6-7 hr drive to Yellowstone

I can and will offer lodging for 2-3 people , fish here for a day or so and
then head south to meet everyone in Yellowstone
or by the entrance - w my vehicle

Ken's suggestion seemed great - If we agree on this p[lace I think I would
prefer to ride in by horse

If this happens we need to firm up a date more sooner than later as I have
some other trips planned esp one w my granddaughter & need to put down some
deposits

If there is some interest I will give further detail

Perhaps next fall opr spring for Steelhead fishing in WA
I have not done that in a while and miss it
We have spent some ugly cold even snowy days fishing for them

Senor Wences

angler wrote:
On 3 Nov, 16:51, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
I will try to answer all of the replies in this single post.

First, on the topic of Montana / Idaho / Wyoming, you have to understand
that we are looking at this from distance and based on what we read from
the news. From here it has seemed that in many summers, the temperatures
and water levels in that region have been dramatic. Something similar to
what Fred and rw wrote:

Fred So fishing in MT (w plenty of small streams- and bigger ones ,
Fred rivers) has been good this time of year. In other yrs July begins
Fred the start of a hot dry 2 mo fire season where you are fishing for
Fred already stressed fish

rw July and August are prime months for the northern Rockies, but it
rw all depends on the weather, which is highly variable.

If the risks would be tolerable, for me the Montana / Wyoming / Idaho
(and now Colorado) region would definitely be the #1 choice. The
following responses only strengthened this idea:

Dave I think the wide expanse of the American and Canadian West during
Dave July and August, with some Roffians as guides could make for a
Dave once in a lifetime experience. Perhaps flying into Salt Lake or
Dave Colorado, then working your way North into Wyoming, Montana,
Dave Oregon, Washington, and maybe even Eastern BC on up past 150 Mile
Dave house into the Horsefly country etc. Think "road trip," no big
Dave cities, big sky, your very own cowboy hats, Jo Joes, much less
Dave than world class motels, real North Americans etc.., and lots of
Dave challenging technical fishing, on as many beautiful small streams
Dave and rivers as you would have probably seen in your lives.

rw If the weather is hot fish early and late, and fish the higher
rw elevations. There are plenty of tailwaters that are relatively
rw insensitive to short-term weather conditions and that are managed
rw for sport fishing.

jeff I like July in Montana...runoff is usually over in most places and
jeff there is every kind of fishing a person could want... i think
jeff yellowstone park is a must see for every person on the planet...

Tim Actually, a lot of the best fishing in southern Alberta is during
Tim mid-late july and August. Especially small creeks, and these tned
Tim to be less crowded. The fish are not huge, but repsectable, and
Tim fun.

Dan Once place that I think is about perfect that time of year, is
Dan western Colorado. ... Colorado (flows thru Glenwood), Eagle,
Dan Roaring Fork, Crystal, Frying Pan, plus Many, many, smaller creeks,
Dan and if you are into hiking, there are very small creeks hiking
Dan accessible that have lots of smaller brookies and cutthroats.

To summarize, I think I will proceed to try to convince my friends that
Western US / Canada would be our target.

On the idea of seeing a lot of different areas:

RDean Just to toss it out, but IMO, if you have three weeks in the US,
RDean why not see a little more of it? Maybe a week in each of three
RDean regions. I'd suggest the Northwest, the central/north-central
RDean Atlantic, and the Gulf Coast. You'd experience a range of
RDean fishing and people you'll not find anywhere else in the world...

Unfortunately I like fishing so much that every day spent packing and
traveling hurts. So I think that two geographical regions is the
maximum; preferably just one region and the possibility to move by car
(and keep all the gear "ready to be fished at any moment").

Frank A week in Arkansas on the White, North Fork and the Buffalo would
Frank be a hoot. The first two are tail waters with some of the biggest
Frank trout in the US.

I have heard / read of these places. IIRC, these have _amazing_ fish
densities. My friends might enjoy these rivers because of the larger
fish.

Dave Certain spots in Maine fish well in July, not so much in August.
Dave The Rapid, Malagalawy, and the East Outlet of Moosehead Lake fish
Dave well. Big brookies and landlocked salmon are the prey.

Unfortunately, if we are traveling as a group, end of July / beginning
of August is the only possible time. (Otherwise during the summer I am
more flexible than the rest of the group, and during the rest of the
season I am less flexible.)

Dave It's tough to fish Labrador without a guide.

From what I have understood, it is not only tough but very limited,
because they have the rule that you need to have 1 guide per two
fishermen if you are farther than 800 meters (or something similar) from
a highway. For three guys that would mean two guides.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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use .

Good summary Jarmo, I agree with what you wrote with the slightly
different perspective of only having about one week to spend on such
an adventure.
How different wouldn't it be to meet up in the west of the US, rather
than the remote (read unpopulated) destinations we usually meet, I'll
see if I can't get Vaughan to join.
For our American friends reading this, I would be really keen on
meeting up with like minded (not to say single minded ;-) ) fly-
fishermen. To fish together with guys with local knowledge of an
area......., - beats most scenarios.

/Roger

if your decision ultimately settles on the area around yellowstone, i'll
be interested in joining the group for 7-10 days. i know my way around
yellowstone, the madison and its tribs, and a few other spots nearby
within 30-40 miles of west yellowstone, fairly well based on my past
visits. but the western guys - warren, john h., steve/rw, willi, chas,
larry, or yellowstone kenny - will certainly be better resources.
montana is a big state. i think the yellowstone area offers the most
variety within a day's travel for a fishing and sightseeing trip. in any
event, there are more than enough different types of waters and fish
(small, big), including lakes, in the area to keep a normal human happy.
willi and steve know the nearby wyoming and idaho areas too, and ken
spent enough time in yellowstone to make it worth your while. you are
more likely to find a number of folks available to help with your visit
in that area, imo. while water temps and flows in late july and august
can affect the hours of fishing (and i've been there once when the
waters were low)...if i was on a flyer out west, i'd choose the montana
area around yellowstone as a focus. it's a facinating place...and
offers a variety of landscape, remote country, non-remote night-life,
good food and drink, humor, true sportsmen, art, culture, eccentric
personalities, etc... it's one of my favorite places on this earth and i
think you guys will enjoy it.

jeff

On 3-Nov-2009, jeff wrote:

if your decision ultimately settles on the area around yellowstone, i'll
be interested in joining the group for 7-10 days. i know my way around
yellowstone, the madison and its tribs, and a few other spots nearby
within 30-40 miles of west yellowstone, fairly well based on my past
visits. but the western guys - warren, john h., steve/rw, willi, chas,
larry, or yellowstone kenny - will certainly be better resources.
montana is a big state. i think the yellowstone area offers the most
variety within a day's travel for a fishing and sightseeing trip. in any
event, there are more than enough different types of waters and fish
(small, big), including lakes, in the area to keep a normal human happy.
willi and steve know the nearby wyoming and idaho areas too, and ken
spent enough time in yellowstone to make it worth your while. you are
more likely to find a number of folks available to help with your visit
in that area, imo. while water temps and flows in late july and august
can affect the hours of fishing (and i've been there once when the
waters were low)...if i was on a flyer out west, i'd choose the montana
area around yellowstone as a focus. it's a facinating place...and
offers a variety of landscape, remote country, non-remote night-life,
good food and drink, humor, true sportsmen, art, culture, eccentric
personalities, etc... it's one of my favorite places on this earth and i
think you guys will enjoy it.

jeff

I agree w the Yellowstone area
There are numerous rivers in and out of the park.

If this happens I can take 3 guys down if they fly into Kalispell Glacier
Park Int'l AP
This may or may not be cheaper than Bozeman or West Yellowstone???

Fred