Q: North America in Jul-Aug

Roger Ok, it is not possible for me to be away from home 1:st week of
Roger July or 2:nd week of August. But since it is more than 6 months
Roger away in time I think I can be fairly flexible regarding all the
Roger weeks in between. Jarmo?

I'm pretty flexible - until 2nd week of August, I think - but at least
earlier the timetables of my friends were pretty much limited to the end
of July and beginning of August. I have not yet received a response from
them regarding these latest plans.

A few notes about other issues that have been discussed he
- For me the optimal accommodation would be a motorhome. It would
provide flexibility if conditions would require a change of location.
- I don't mind seeing other fishermen on the same river, but I would
willingly choose a less crowded river even if it meant smaller /
fewer fish. With this in mind, spending at least part of the time in
other location than Yellowstone sounds tempting. Maybe it could be
northern Montana / southeast BC?

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On Nov 4, 10:52*am, Jarmo Hurri wrote:


.. Maybe it could be
* northern Montana / southeast BC?



One thing I keep wanting to say but haven't yet
IS

the 'good fishing' zone within the area defined as Montana/Idaho/
Wyoming/Alberta

IS HUGE ...

seeing it all in one or two or three or five trips, , or trying
to, ... is, imho, a mistake

as Jeff has said, even within day trip distance of West Yellowstone
there is more water than a lifetime of vacations could cover ( over
two thousand miles of streams, within a hundred+ miles, if I remember
correctly what Craig told me )

There seem to be two major styles of visiting angler.

The most common I call 'name collectors' and they run from place to
place adding to a 'been there done that' list of names to drop at the
office or club meeting. I have had my periods of 'name collecting'
back when I was younger, so I do understand the temptation. But,
maybe because I'm now the opposite, these folks always seem the least
satisfied with their visit when I meet and chat with them.

Another approach is what I 'think' Jeff does, sample a variety within
a relatively small physical area. Believe me the variety is there
and most visitors seem best served by this approach. It becomes a
type of adopted home waters thing, much as one might alternate
specific day trips within one's own area, a nice blend of 'new' and
'old love'

Not recommended for anyone else, is my approach and the one I find in
my slowly growing circle of true troutbum friends. Returning each
year, for long periods, to places that have become so personally
special as to feel more like home ... than home. I know a couple,
both used to guide/drive shuttle/work in shops .. i.e diehard fly
fishers ... that travel each year from well down into Mexico up to
almost Alaska in BC, and then back again, fishing. But they hit the
same spots each year with little change. Of course they've had their
past days of 'name collecting' and know which names best suit
them.

I know several people that spend the entire season (or damn near) on
the Ranch. They could be anywhere, within reason, being retired and
living out of RVs, but choose to fish daily a water that ( in my
experience, polling those I run into ) greatly disappoints the vast
majority of the 'name collector' set. Only intimacy, and time, leads
to such 'true love.' That intimacy, and, obviously time, is beyond
the possibility of the two week trip, thus my "not recommended"

My point, if I have one, it that the 'name collecting,' one night
stand, approach leaves one with little more than names to remember.
However, really getting to know, even one place, is beyond the
possible for the vacationing angler. So, somewhere in between is the
zone of likely highest return.

IMHO, it takes a few days, bare minimum, to even start to get a 'feel'
for any water that is complex enough to have the potential of becoming
a true love with time.

Leaving one water that seems to know how to treat you just like you
want to be treated to visit another just because it's 'new' is
something we all do/ have done. But I think it's significant, that
it was back when we were younger, less mature, and less certain of
what we really wanted.

My suggestion is to pick a base and plan on experiencing a variety
near that base. Ask Jeff, I'm sure he will support me in my
statement that it is fully possible ( for a vacation period, you'd die
of exhaustion over longer time ;-) to sample new small streams daily
and still make it to the (can be in Jul/Aug ) awesome nightly caddis
affair on the Madison below Quake ... both

Larry L ( who wanders a lot and says little, but, .... with long
posts )

Larry L wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:52 am, Jarmo Hurri wrote:


. Maybe it could be
northern Montana / southeast BC?



One thing I keep wanting to say but haven't yet
IS

the 'good fishing' zone within the area defined as Montana/Idaho/
Wyoming/Alberta

IS HUGE ...

seeing it all in one or two or three or five trips, , or trying
to, ... is, imho, a mistake

as Jeff has said, even within day trip distance of West Yellowstone
there is more water than a lifetime of vacations could cover ( over
two thousand miles of streams, within a hundred+ miles, if I remember
correctly what Craig told me )

There seem to be two major styles of visiting angler.

The most common I call 'name collectors' and they run from place to
place adding to a 'been there done that' list of names to drop at the
office or club meeting. I have had my periods of 'name collecting'
back when I was younger, so I do understand the temptation. But,
maybe because I'm now the opposite, these folks always seem the least
satisfied with their visit when I meet and chat with them.

Another approach is what I 'think' Jeff does, sample a variety within
a relatively small physical area. Believe me the variety is there
and most visitors seem best served by this approach. It becomes a
type of adopted home waters thing, much as one might alternate
specific day trips within one's own area, a nice blend of 'new' and
'old love'

Not recommended for anyone else, is my approach and the one I find in
my slowly growing circle of true troutbum friends. Returning each
year, for long periods, to places that have become so personally
special as to feel more like home ... than home. I know a couple,
both used to guide/drive shuttle/work in shops .. i.e diehard fly
fishers ... that travel each year from well down into Mexico up to
almost Alaska in BC, and then back again, fishing. But they hit the
same spots each year with little change. Of course they've had their
past days of 'name collecting' and know which names best suit
them.

I know several people that spend the entire season (or damn near) on
the Ranch. They could be anywhere, within reason, being retired and
living out of RVs, but choose to fish daily a water that ( in my
experience, polling those I run into ) greatly disappoints the vast
majority of the 'name collector' set. Only intimacy, and time, leads
to such 'true love.' That intimacy, and, obviously time, is beyond
the possibility of the two week trip, thus my "not recommended"

My point, if I have one, it that the 'name collecting,' one night
stand, approach leaves one with little more than names to remember.
However, really getting to know, even one place, is beyond the
possible for the vacationing angler. So, somewhere in between is the
zone of likely highest return.

IMHO, it takes a few days, bare minimum, to even start to get a 'feel'
for any water that is complex enough to have the potential of becoming
a true love with time.

Leaving one water that seems to know how to treat you just like you
want to be treated to visit another just because it's 'new' is
something we all do/ have done. But I think it's significant, that
it was back when we were younger, less mature, and less certain of
what we really wanted.

My suggestion is to pick a base and plan on experiencing a variety
near that base. Ask Jeff, I'm sure he will support me in my
statement that it is fully possible ( for a vacation period, you'd die
of exhaustion over longer time ;-) to sample new small streams daily
and still make it to the (can be in Jul/Aug ) awesome nightly caddis
affair on the Madison below Quake ... both

Larry L ( who wanders a lot and says little, but, .... with long
posts )

you're always spot on with me larry...at least so far anyway.

fishing is such a unique individual effort. other than the shared joy
and philosophy of chasing the great mystery, it is hard to know whether
one's own preference will ever match with others'. for a first visit, to
get a sense of that area and to establish a foundation for future trips,
the yellowstone area is my best suggestion. if they want canada or
alaska or even distant areas of montana, i think they need a month or
more and even that would be too hurried for me. hell...yellowstone done
right requires a month.

while i've no doubt it can disappoint some tastes and expectations, and
there is a lot to complain about for those sweating the small stuff, the
yellowstone area (from all sides...including nearby last chance idaho)
remains my favorite western fishing destination for a 7-14 day trip. i
learn something new each visit, but i also value the surroundings.

willi and rw like camping on remote wyoming streams ... like you, they
have the luxury of living in the nearby west and can make annual trysts
to a variety of locations. i don't like crowds, and i value the remote
spaces, shared or solitary...but, i've never been disappointed in my
visits to that part of this world. i missed going out this year... i
intend to be there next year if i'm able, and i hope to see harry mason,
warren, danl, you, and a few nordic folks as well.

jeff

Jarmo Hurri wrote:
Roger Ok, it is not possible for me to be away from home 1:st week of
Roger July or 2:nd week of August. But since it is more than 6 months
Roger away in time I think I can be fairly flexible regarding all the
Roger weeks in between. Jarmo?

I'm pretty flexible - until 2nd week of August, I think - but at least
earlier the timetables of my friends were pretty much limited to the end
of July and beginning of August. I have not yet received a response from
them regarding these latest plans.

A few notes about other issues that have been discussed he
- For me the optimal accommodation would be a motorhome. It would
provide flexibility if conditions would require a change of location.
- I don't mind seeing other fishermen on the same river, but I would
willingly choose a less crowded river even if it meant smaller /
fewer fish. With this in mind, spending at least part of the time in
other location than Yellowstone sounds tempting. Maybe it could be
northern Montana / southeast BC?


i think you have a misunderstanding of the "crowds" as an issue. you
will have no problem finding uncrowded waters...as in no other
fishermen...if you simply hike a bit. i have been there 5 or 6 times
now, and have always been able to find uncrowded places. i've fished a
mile or more on some streams without encountering another fisherman.
there is simply so much fishable water in the area that, with a little
effort, you can find the serene and solitary in and near the park. that
entire area of the world, though not like the arctic you fellas have
shared in photos, is amazing and you'll not go wrong with any choice you
make.

if you visit the park area, you're more likely to have a number of folks
available to meet and show you about...so i'd suggest making it a part
of your plans. montana is a big state...and it's a long drive from the
park to glacier, missoula, or british columbia. i've not done it, so
others can tell you what to expect...but, i've driven about out there
enough to know there is a lot of "there" out there.

lots of folks rent motorhome vehicles out west, and you won't have too
much trouble doing it. i've met a number of americans along the madison
who were doing that...it looked like fun, but those are some big
expensive wheels.

again...fix your dates and lets begin discussing options about locations
and lodging.

jeff

jeff again...fix your dates and lets begin discussing options about
jeff locations and lodging.

Been having the flu for a week. At the end I had energy to read some
Lyons, Raymond and Donnall Thomas Jr. to get into the mood. I have been
fishing a number of Montana streams mentally during the past few days.

One of my comrades is trying to procreate and is thus uncertain about
his ability to take the trip next summer. He will not know his status
until February. Since I think that the probability of him having new
offspring at that time is quite high, I think I will now proceed as if
he will not join. I will contact the third fisherman soon to discuss how
he feels about this. At the moment I think that this turn of events
frees me from the earlier date constraints, which means that I could
then come to fish in the US at any time in July.

Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.

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Jarmo Hurri

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On 2009-11-15 06:22:02 -0500, Jarmo Hurri said:


Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.

There are a number of journals published by Frank Amato Publications,
Inc. I have the journals for:

Yellowstone, Henry's Fork, The Madison, Big Hole, Silver Creek, Clark
Fork, Yakima River, Rogue River, McKenzie River, Deschutes, Kenai River
(Alaska), Sacramento River, Green River, Thompson River (BC), Rio
Grande, North Platte, and rivers in Pennsylvania, New York, and
Michigan.

They are well written by locals familiar with each river, and include
list/pictures of popular flies, maps, fauna and flora, and local
facilities.

Each journal is about $16 US. I believe they are still in print.

Dave

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:22:02 +0200, Jarmo Hurri
wrote:


I was
thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.


Traver is great (we're dissecting 'Trout Madness' in our Winter
bookclub right now
http://www.wisflyfishing.com/cgi-bin...ect=bookclubs).

McGuane is a classic Rockies author('The Longest Silence'). M.R.
Montgomery's 'Way of the Trout' takes a look at wild trout and the
American West. John Geirach's books have a lot of interesting Western
fishing in them. Then there's Joe Brooks and LaFontaine for more
technical stuff.

Lots of good stuff out there. You could just save money and spend your
Summer reading about Western trout fishing and still have a good time.


Geo. C.

Jarmo Hurri wrote:

Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.


A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway -
Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca

http://www.amazon.ca/Albertas-Trout-...8297922&sr=1-1

There is a short review at
http://www.broken-fish.net/2008/rave...trout-highway/

It is a pretty good book. The area covered would make a very nice road trip.

Tim Lysyk

On Nov 15, 9:17*am, Tim Lysyk wrote:
Jarmo Hurri wrote:
Anyway, while we are trying to reach a decision, I would like to read
more about the area. Can anybody suggest good books that would tell me
as much as possible about fishing in the Rocky Mountain region of
Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, Alberta and British Columbia? I was
thinking about ordering some Robert Traver to entertain me during the
winter, and I might order some other books at the same time.

A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway -
Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca

http://www.amazon.ca/Albertas-Trout-...estry/dp/09688...

There is a short review athttp://www.broken-fish.net/2008/raves/04/17/albertas-trout-highway/

It is a pretty good book. The area covered would make a very nice road trip.

Tim Lysyk

Google up _Trout Bum_. It's the way it was, in pre-yuppie fly fishing
in Colorado.

cheers

oz

On Nov 15, 9:17*am, Tim Lysyk wrote:

A good book on Alberta is Barry Mitchell's "Alberta's Trout Highway -
Fishing the Forestry Trunk Road". It is availabale at amazon.ca

http://www.amazon.ca/Albertas-Trout-...estry/dp/09688...

There is a short review athttp://www.broken-fish.net/2008/raves/04/17/albertas-trout-highway/

It is a pretty good book. The area covered would make a very nice road trip.

I'll second the book suggestion. I've sampled a few of the waters
in there on my Canadian trips, and once I retire I hope to devote a
few years to covering that whole area. Gorgeous country and beautiful
wild fish.

Another suggestion for that area: Jim McLennan's _Trout Streams of
Alberta_. He's very knowledgeable about the area, and I really like
his writing style.


Chuck Vance (so, been fishing any recently, Tim?)