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"Joe McIntosh" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Interesting post from Henry Komesota on FF@ that you might enjoy

Very interesting. Still, I hope it is not "the future of flytieing" (sic).

TL
MC

Mike Connor wrote:

"Joe McIntosh" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Interesting post from Henry Komesota on FF@ that you might enjoy

Very interesting. Still, I hope it is not "the future of flytieing" (sic).

Why do you hope not? (Quite apart from its already being the present,
rather than the future, of fly tying).

"JR" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Mike Connor wrote:

"Joe McIntosh" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Interesting post from Henry Komesota on FF@ that you might enjoy

Very interesting. Still, I hope it is not "the future of flytieing"
(sic).

Why do you hope not? (Quite apart from its already being the present,
rather than the future, of fly tying).

Because that is not fly-tying, it is fly-manufacture. Flydressing is an
integral part of the flyfishing experience for many, and this is one of the
things which makes it great. Practically all innovations and "progress"
have been made by dedicated and gifted amateurs. One of the last "hobby"
bastions where this is possible. Flies are tied for specific purposes. to
imitate specific creatures or have specific properties, which the angler has
observed or eruiert. Some developments have taken place over decades. Often
the effort of an individual, or a small group.

The internet synergy here has caused massive and short term leaps in
knowledge, tackle and techniques. This adds to the anticipation and
excitement, and adds very considerably to the enjoyment of fishing, as did
the making of all the other tackle, many years ago, (of which, those who
made it, were inordinately proud, and rightly so), and still does for for
some very few. This has however, now become the almost exclusive domain of
large manufacturers. The "best" is no longer a personal effort, but a matter
of a well filled wallet. At least, so we are continually led to believe.

If you can not do it, your children will not learn to do it either, you
simply can
not show them. All you can then do, is hope they also have enough money,
and the opportunity, to do all these wonderful things. That is not at all
the same thing

The commercialisation of fly-fishing generally is already well advanced, and
things like this detract even more from it. The commercialisation of any
sport or pastime invariably has very unpleasant side effects. Money becomes
the driving force, and passion fades.

If one is able to buy "perfect" flies, at mass produced prices, then many
will simply do so, thereby losing out themselves, as they will never know
the joy of making their own, and also thereby undermining long tradition.

Standardisation is also the inevitable result of such developments.
Innovation and ideas are often discouraged as a result.

If "cheap" fishimg is your aim, then there are other and far better ways of
doing it, than relying on commercial products.

Somebody who buys all this stuff, manufactured flies, high end manufactured
rods, reels etc etc, is missing out on a great deal, and also shifting the
perspective of others who might otherwise take a different path. Angling,
amd especially flydressing, are contemplative pastimes. Commercialising them
to the nth degree, removes a great deal of the contemplation, stifles
discussion, and gives people entirely the wrong idea of what fishing is all
about.

TL
MC

From: "Mike Connor"

Because that is not fly-tying, it is fly-manufacture. Flydressing is an
integral part of the flyfishing experience for many, and this is one of the
things which makes it great.

Indeed. I began learning to tie at about the same time I began flyfishing. The
pleasure I derive from the fishing would be greatly diminished if I fished with
store bought flies. Every fly I carry was either tied by me or given to me by
another angler.

Flies are tied for specific purposes. to
imitate specific creatures or have specific properties, which the angler has
observed or eruiert.

Ineed again. Many of my patterns are modifications of "standard" tie that have
been altered to suit my preferences/observations.

Good to see you back, Mike.


George Adams

"All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of
youth that doth not grow stale with age."
---- J.W Muller

From: "Mike Connor"

eruiert.

Please elucidate.

Op -- the semi-edukated--

"Guyz-N-Flyz" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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From: "Mike Connor"

eruiert.

Please elucidate.

Op -- the semi-edukated--



A Lucy date is very similar to an Elsie date. Only possible to explain when
one has experienced such. Concentrate on the co-eds! Although knowing your
persistent luck, I suppose you landed at an an all male college?

TL
MC

"Mike Connor" Mike-Connor wrote in message
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A Lucy date is very similar to an Elsie date. Only possible to explain
when
one has experienced such. Concentrate on the co-eds! Although knowing
your
persistent luck, I suppose you landed at an an all male college?

TL
MC

I see that you haven't lost a bit of that Rapier like Wit!

Op --One of the benefits not mentioned at my interview: 6:1 female/male
ratio...or there abouts--

On 06 Dec 2003 21:08:20 GMT, ojunk (George Adams)
wrote:

From: "Mike Connor"

Because that is not fly-tying, it is fly-manufacture. Flydressing is an
integral part of the flyfishing experience for many, and this is one of the
things which makes it great.

Indeed. I began learning to tie at about the same time I began flyfishing. The
pleasure I derive from the fishing would be greatly diminished if I fished with
store bought flies.

But it's great for those of us who haven't the time or the patience or
the talent or, in my case, much interest, in tying their own flies.
If I had to tie my own flies in order to fly fish, I'd hand over my
KPOS rods to my boss and my one buddy who fly fishes and go right back
to spinning gear. Or even plug casting. I won't say I'd go to bait
fishing or trolling, but it'd be about the same for me as those
would. (not a slam at bait fishers, btw, I just don't like to do it.
(and, yes, I do know how to put on a worm or a minnow and have done
it.))
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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On 06 Dec 2003 21:08:20 GMT, ojunk (George Adams)
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But it's great for those of us who haven't the time or the patience or
the talent or, in my case, much interest, in tying their own flies.
If I had to tie my own flies in order to fly fish, I'd hand over my
KPOS rods to my boss and my one buddy who fly fishes and go right back
to spinning gear. Or even plug casting. I won't say I'd go to bait
fishing or trolling, but it'd be about the same for me as those
would. (not a slam at bait fishers, btw, I just don't like to do it.
(and, yes, I do know how to put on a worm or a minnow and have done
it.))
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely
on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

I bait fish quite often, amd I like a bit of spinning and plugging, or even
jigging, now and again.( Or to be more precise, I did up until a while ago).
I do not consider fly-fishimg to be the "Holy Grail" it is merely another
extremely enjoyable means of fishing, which I enjoy in all its forms.

Anybody can tie flies which will catch fish. The main prerequisite, is not
to believe any of the ( in the meantime extremely widespread and vociferous)
gurus, who would have you think differently. Or indeed not think at all.

There is no reason why you should not buy them either, but preferably not
from some faceless conglomerate of manufacturers who neither know nor care
what they are, or what they represent, and merely see them as a means of
making money.

As for KPOS rods or similar. Any one of these rods, including the worst
possible one you could find, is a thousand times better than the ones I, and
many others, started fishing with, and occasionally still do.

Then as now, the fish could not care less. A good angler will catch fish
whatever he uses, and he probably wont care much either. It is nice to have
top quality expensive gear, but it is certainly not necessary.

"to thine own self be true"
Hamlet.

TL
MC

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On 06 Dec 2003 21:08:20 GMT, ojunk (George Adams)
wrote:

From: "Mike Connor"

Because that is not fly-tying, it is fly-manufacture. Flydressing is an
integral part of the flyfishing experience for many, and this is one of
the
things which makes it great.

Indeed. I began learning to tie at about the same time I began
flyfishing. The
pleasure I derive from the fishing would be greatly diminished if I
fished with
store bought flies.

But it's great for those of us who haven't the time or the patience or
the talent or, in my case, much interest, in tying their own flies.
If I had to tie my own flies in order to fly fish, I'd hand over my
KPOS rods to my boss and my one buddy who fly fishes and go right back
to spinning gear.

Cyli: are you Sedona? I'm seriously considering a year off back home, in
Flag, and if so, maybe we can hook up and do some fishing. I bet if I
brought some tying gear down and helped you tie up something managable that
caught a few fish, you discover why so many fishermen tie their own flies.
I've only been at it for about a year, and now there are a handful of
patterns I use that I will never purchase. I still have to buy some of the
more complex ones, though, and I expect I always will.
--riverman