OT - when politics gets personal

On Mar 1, 10:38*am, (Craig Gullixson) wrote:


Yes, developing drugs is expensive

For a multitude of reasons, not least of which (by any means) is that
big pharma has, for the past century or so, deliberately made it
so.....but that's a discussion for another time and audience.

(although much of the R&D is done
at universities using NIH funding).

True, bearing in mind that in this context, "universities" should be
understood to include medical schools, teaching hospitals, and a host
of other public and private educational institutions, as well as
public and private NON-educational institutions, corporations, etc.
all of which spend and/or receive the bulk of their costs/revenues/
expenditures/donations/outflow/inflow or what have you, on or from one
or another thing or entity with an uncomfortably incestuous
relationship with......wait for it!......NIH......and/or big
pharma.....same thing, actually.

Fisher? VWR? Labconco? Bio-Rad? Kimex? Coors? Santa Cruz?
Millipore? (a few thousand others?) All the same thing. Where does
the money come from and where does it go?

However, the amount pharma spends
on advertizing greatly dwarfs that actually spent on drug development.

True. Without qualification.

The financial risks is start-ups, as appears to be this case, is almost
certainly no worse than that of hi-tech companies. *So cry me no
crocodile tears on how cutting pharma profits will hurt drug development.

You will never make the self-described erstwhile capitalists believe
it, but the first best thing to do in promoting drug development is
gutting big pharma profits.

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Um......hm.....
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"jeff" wrote in message
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Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
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On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....

Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me?

g.
always the last to know.


Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.

there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). there has to be a better way. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

Yes, make doctor school a free school for qualified people that agree to
spend a few years taking care of people for a decent professional salary for
a few years, before setting up private shop and getting what the traffic
will bear.

On Feb 26, 11:01*pm, "CalifBill" wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message

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Bill McKee wrote:
"Giles" wrote in message
....
On Feb 24, 1:12 pm, "Bill McKee" wrote:

...ways to lower costs. Number one is increase the supply of
doctors....

Hm.....

So, the number of doctors in America has been falling precipitously in
recent decades.....and nobody told me? * * * *

g.
always the last to know.

Reply:
Population growth and very controlled numbers of prospective doctors
admitted to med school. *And if you can not make enough money to justify
the $200k+ to get through doctor school, there will be even less doctors
per person in the country.

there's an easy remedy on the cost of med school tuition...and i suspect
you can figure it out. look at what we do for (to) teachers...etc. yours
is a non-argument for continuing the insane profit driven health care
system we are condemned to have in this country for the middle and lower
socio-economic class (i.e., majority). *there has to be a better way. i'm
all for a tax, a restructure, something that assures reasonable,
affordable health care for our citizens.

jeff

Yes, make doctor school a free school for qualified people that agree to
spend a few years taking care of people for a decent professional salary for
a few years, before setting up private shop and getting what the traffic
will bear.

That's the way it works if you want to spend 4 yrs. as a military doc.

cheers

oz