Cluuuuck, cluck, cluuuuk

On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:12:36 -0400, jeff wrote:

On 4/2/2010 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:11:07 -0400, wrote:

Please give me the following, and with the exception of the 25-75 number, all
must be 1-9 - no zeros.:

Any single number/digit in any of your addresses (home, office, PO Box, your
college apartment, ZIP code, I don't care),

any single number from any two of your phone numbers (2 total numbers),

any single number from your bar card (or hell, some shopper's discount card in
your wallet),

the day any of your children were born (i.e., 2 if April 2nd),

pick any number from 1 to 10,

pick another from 25 to 75.

I don't need or want the entire number for any of the above...****, just make up
7 random numbers that'll fit into the above.

Thanks,
R


you're welcome....

OK, then, I'll pick, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, and 39. Now, let's see what those
numbers correspond to on your CnP of "why Jeff Miller would vote for Obama
again...as told by others..."...

HTH,
R

On 4/2/2010 3:26 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 14:12:36 -0400, wrote:

On 4/2/2010 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:11:07 -0400, wrote:

Please give me the following, and with the exception of the 25-75 number, all
must be 1-9 - no zeros.:

Any single number/digit in any of your addresses (home, office, PO Box, your
college apartment, ZIP code, I don't care),

any single number from any two of your phone numbers (2 total numbers),

any single number from your bar card (or hell, some shopper's discount card in
your wallet),

the day any of your children were born (i.e., 2 if April 2nd),

pick any number from 1 to 10,

pick another from 25 to 75.

I don't need or want the entire number for any of the above...****, just make up
7 random numbers that'll fit into the above.

Thanks,
R


you're welcome....

OK, then, I'll pick, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, and 39. Now, let's see what those
numbers correspond to on your CnP of "why Jeff Miller would vote for Obama
again...as told by others..."...

HTH,
R

you asked for 5 reasons...i gave you a CnP list containing a bunch of
reasons and accomplishments. that you disagree with them, without regard
to the source, and that you would no doubt disagree with any offered, is
expected. imo, you really weren't interested in anything other than
continuing your argument, and more of the tiresome mantra, about obama.

i like him, you dislike him. i'll vote for him, you won't. my reasons
won't convince you; yours won't convince me. futility isn't attractive
to me. we went through a similar exercise last year in which i gave you
some of my personal reasons for liking the guy and my view of his
accomplishments at that time.

btw...you didn't answer: what, if anything, could obama do to earn your
vote?

jeff

On Fri, 02 Apr 2010 11:11:07 -0400, jeff wrote:

On 4/1/2010 9:44 PM, wrote:

...and, i'll vote for him again.

Ah...proving that "stupid friend in NC, " I take it...

it's apparent there is little you like about the president or those who
choose to like him and approve of the job he's done.

Seriously, though, why in the hell would you state such a thing, not even
halfway through his Presidency? Oh, yeah, that's right - I forgot about you and
Johnny Breck...

i stated it because that's my position... you've stated yours, and made
it relatively clear you don't approve of or support Obama.

Oops, nope. I've never said I don't support him - he's the POTUS, and if for no
other reason, I do support him until he does something that _I_ feel should
warrant the loss of that support. As to "approving" of him, no, I can't say
that I do, but then again, I can't say that I don't. It's about like asking me
if I "approve" of the guy who lives 2 doors down from you - he's a total
stranger. Thus far, he hasn't done much of anything on a national scale for one
to approve or disapprove - no real accomplishments, but no big failures.

I guess I
should have said, I'll vote for him again if he's the democrat's
nominee. Is there anything he could do that would earn your vote? G

Sure - he could do something, anything. Hell, even if he - him, personally -
hung his ass out over the line on something and got it handed back to him, at
least it would be _something_. Babe Ruth didn't get to be the Babe by only
swinging at the slow pitches.

i'm satisfied with him and his efforts. I voted for him
suspecting/knowing he'd not likely be able to accomplish his full
agenda...

Hell, he could have 73 terms, a lapdog Congress, the entire population of the
Americas on beck-and-call shovel-ready staff and the support of 214% of the
world's entire population (including Guam...twice), and 17 of him couldn't
accomplish all the **** he promised...OTOH, he's a politician, so, no, I don't
expect any of them to actually accomplish all the **** they promise...but there
are certain limits at which even moderated expectations are, well, strained to
the limit.

you think that is his individual fault, or his failing. i don't.

See above.

He's a democrat...the only other viable choice is a republican of some
stripe, and i'd sooner eat a turd than vote for that party's
presidential offerings.

Well, now, see, there's another way in which we differ. I'd vote for who I
thought to be the best viable candidate running. Which explains why I've
supported both Dems and Republicans.

BTW, I didn't support John (Breck) Edward's presidential run, only his
campaign for the senate seat against a republican. He had moptop,
flyaway hair in those days.

I like Obama's tone and thoughtful approach to things...

Um, that thing on your stereo that says "White Noise" isn't a special Beatles
button...and sometimes, a good leader has to go with their gut - sometimes, it
doesn't work out, but most times, at least for a _good_ leader, it does.

And I'll ask yet again - name 10...hell, 5...truly important things he's
accomplished.for the US citizenry as a direct result of his being in
office...IOW, **** he personally has accomplished. Hell, just list 5 reasons
you'd vote for him again regardless of what else might follow. While I can't
say he's done a _bad_ job, I can't he's done a good one either. Near as I can
figure, he hasn't done _anything" significant...and I'll even ignore the whole
"health care bill" debacle, because at the end of the day, it - as it currently
stands - won't actually do much, if anything at all, in the big scheme of
things.

"truly important things"...to satisfy you? hell, where's that turd.

I think he is going by "Giles" these days...

G I'll let you argue with others... but here are some reasons given by
others, many of which i had no, little, or only passing knowledge of,
but most of which I can include among the reasons i'll vote for him
again...and i choose not to ignore the health care reform. It was an
immense project and a significant accomplishment.

"He’s had a good first year,” says Ted Widmer, a presidential historian
at Brown University in Providence, R.I.
“Two of his biggest accomplishments are easy to overlook, but they were
both important. He kept the financial
crisis from becoming worse.

No, he didn't, because he could not have (and neither could any Prez). In fact,
some of what he did may well turn out to be disastrous...may not, too - only
time will tell.

And he vastly improved the way the rest of
the world thinks about America.”

Uh, yeah - now much of the world's leaders, esp. the Chinese, thinks "America"
is a soft touch they can push around. And the same folks that hated "America"
still do and will continue to so regardless of Obama.

And now, the numbers - 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, and 39

*Health care reform
* The "largest" economic stimulus bill in American history.
* Ordering the closing of Guantanamo Bay military detention facility and abolishing "enhanced interrogation techniques."
* Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
* "Returning science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research.
* Signing laws to expand children's health insurance (financed by a 61-cent per pack increase in the federal cigarette tax the adviser did not tout).
* Signing a law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer.
* Diminishing the role of lobbyists in the White House

#9

* "Forge a meaningful statement from the United Nations" criticizing North Korea's launch of a ballistic missile.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! "Bad North Korea! Bad, bad, North Korea!" That one isn't
even fair to you, so let's pick another.

* Lifting travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban Americans who seek to travel more frequently to the island and send more US currency to their immediate family.

Hmmm...and why didn't he just lift the asinine "embargo" all together? OK,
another gimme, so let's try one more and go up 1..."Diminishing the role of
lobbyists in the White House" Oh, man, this isn't your day, is it? The promise
wasn't "diminishing the role," it was "no lobbyists." And not even two months
into office, he had signed several waivers. But I'd put this under the category
of basically unkeepable campaign promises - no real big deal, as far as I am
concerned.

* Appointed a well-qualified Latina (the first) to the US Supreme Court
* Engaging world leaders in Europe, Turkey, Latin American and the Caribbean with "strength and humility."
* Within one year, pulled the US economy out of its nose dive, revived credit markets & nudged the economy towards growth of 2.2% in final quarter
* Within one year, halted the devastating rate of monthly job losses he inherited, from an average 700,000 monthly in the first quarter of 2009, to 35,000 in first quarter 2010 - a major achievement the last administration was not capable of doing
* The American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009 in February - has played a key role in turnaround of economy over the last 3 quarters www.recovery.org
o Stopped decline & grew GDP - from a -6.4% drop in 1st Qtr 2009, to -0.7 rate in 2nd Qtr and +2.2% growth in 3rd Qtr
o Further 2010 growth in GDP is estimated at 4.4% by year end
o $90 billion invested in clean energy economy of the future - jobs, lower dependence on foreign oil, enhance national security, clean environment
o $10.5 billion investment in modernization of national electric grid
o $18 billion for upgrades & modernization of public transport systems, including new high speed rail
o $23 billion investment incentives to small businesses
o Over $1billion in job training grants for jobs in new clean energy sectors
o Tax credits to stimulate development of clean energy manufacturing - wind turbines, solar panels, electric vehicles, batteries, etc
o Distributed education grants to US states, to keep teachers in schools
o $1 billion investment in advancing use of cutting edge Health IT - By 2014, HIT will be made available to 100,000 hospitals & physicians & thousands of people trained for careers in HIT & health care, from nurses and pharmacy techs to IT technicians and trainers.
o $650 million for Communities Putting Prevention to Work, public health program to address obesity, increase physical activity, improve nutrition, and decrease smoking.
o Subsidized extended COBRA benefits for unemployed
o NOT ONE REPUBLICAN VOTED "YES" FOR THIS IMPORTANT BILL, NOW CREDITED AS SAVING US ECONOMY FROM DISASTER, BY SEVERAL INDEPENDENT NON-PARTISAN GROUPS
* The largest middle-class tax cut in history - $288 billion
* Saved, or created around 2,000,000 US jobs
* Cash for Clunkers Program:
o 690.114 new cars sold
o Dept of Transportation claims 52,000 jobs were saved
* The Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
* The Human Rights Enforcement Act of 2009
* The Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights Act of 2009
* Ryan White CARE Act of 2009 - repealed HIV entry ban
* Approved California's adoption of car emission standards for cleaner air & climate control - had been blocked by President Bush for 6 years
* Launched the White House Food Safety Working Group - initiative to modernize the US food safety systems & better protect Americans www.foodsafetyworkinggroup.com
* The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009, which
o Repeals tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas & replace with incentives to create jobs in USA
o Cracks down on US citizens & companies using offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes -22,000 parties identified & $210 billion in back taxes and penalties to be collected over next 10 years
o Collected $780 million fine from UBS for offshore banking violation

* President Obama has cracked down on high level of financial losses from across-the-board fraud & abuse of Medicare (estimated $600 billion lost over last decade from inattention to Medicare fraud)
o January 2010 National Summit on Health Care Fraud
o New inter-agency Health Care Fraud Prevention and Enforcement Action Team (HEAT) introduced - www.stopmedicarefraud.gov
o 5 new Strike Force Teams added in 5 new cities - 13 more to be added in 2011 (Strike Force teams have collected $250 million in restitutions, fines & penalties since 2008)
o Expanded Health Care Fraud and Abuse Control (HCFAC) Program - $13.1 billion has been returned to Medicare
o 7 new Obama initiatives, starting in 2010/2011 will generate a further $15 billion in savings for Medicare over next 10 years
o Successful completion of largest pharmaceutical fraud case awards Medicare $2.5 billion from Pfizer
o January 2010 launch of nation's first Health Security Strategy - comprehensive strategy to protect Americans' health during a national emergency


and...

Dr. Robert Watson: "His first six months have been even more active than FDRs or LBJs the two standards for such assessments. Yet, there is little media attention given to much of what he has done. Of late, the media is focusing almost exclusively on Obama's critics, without holding them responsible for the uncivil, unconstructive tone of their disagreements or without holding the previous administration responsible for getting us in such a deep hole. The misinformation and venom that now passes for political reporting and civic debate is beyond description.
As such, there is a need to set the record straight. What most impresses me is the fact that Obama has accomplished so much not from a heavy-handed or top-down approach but from a style that has institutionalized efforts to reach across the aisle, encourage vigorous debate, and utilize town halls and panels of experts in the policy-making process. Beyond the accomplishments, the process is good for democracy and our democratic processes have been battered and bruised in recent years."


1.Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending

2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices

3. Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women

4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq

5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover A.F.B.

6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information

7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover A.F.B.; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family

Number 8

8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act

Oh, man, you might should have picked your own numbers...there has recently been
a story, well, let's let that notorious right-wing AP tell it:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...a_UqAD9EFJ3F80

Long story short - Bush Admin 47,395 refusals in its last year, the Obama Admin
in its first? 70,779

9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible

10. Limits on lobbyist's access to the White House

11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration

12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date

13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan

14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research

16. New federal funding for science and research labs

17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards

18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect

19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools

20. New funds for school construction

21. The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out

22. US Auto industry rescue plan

23. Housing rescue plan

24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan

25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying

26. US financial and banking rescue plan

27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed

28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards

29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops

30.The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

31. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols

32. Re-engaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic

33. Re-engaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions

34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office

35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job

36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast

37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles

38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales


Number 39

39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government

"Announced plans?" And for something as drastic and politically-dangerous as
fuel-efficient American-made cars. Well, it'll sure be a change from seeing
postmen, er, postpeople, driving those gas-guzzling Bugattis and Lamborghinis
they were driving under Bush...

40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children

41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program

42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba , allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones

43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions

44. Expanding vaccination programs

45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters

46. Closed offshore tax safe havens

47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals

48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back

49. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices

50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources

51. Lower drug costs for seniors

52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel

54. Improved housing for military personnel

55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses

56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals

57. Increasing student loans

58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program

59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; re-engaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy

60. Established a new cyber security office

61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.

62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts

63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness

64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient

65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced

66. Improving benefits for veterans

67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration

68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud

69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco

70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules

71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports

72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons

73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive

74. Making more loans available to small businesses

75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare

76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court

77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans

78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000

79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel

80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan

81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan

82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans

83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production

84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters

85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket

86. Held first Seder in White House

87. Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured

88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform

89. Push for energy reform

90. Push for education reform


Here's somebody else's top 7...which contains 5 reasons i'll vote for him.


#1 Health Care Reform

President Obama's sweeping health care reform bill establishes health care coverage as a right for all Americans. It expands coverage to 32 million more Americans while simultaneously reducing the deficit by $1.3 trillion over the next 20 years. It also makes illegal many of the health insurance industry's worst tactics for making more profit at the cost of people's health (including denying coverage for people with pre-existing conditions.)

#2 Successful Economic Stimulus

When Barack Obama took over the Presidency the country's economy was heading straight down due to the distrous policies of George W. Bush. In February Obama signed the stimulus into law and it has helped to stem the job losses. In fact economists say that over one million jobs have either been saved or added due to it.

#3 Eliminating Wasteful Spending

The elimination of the F-22 fight jet program is an example of some of the wasteful spending that Obama has eliminated as President.

#4 Sonia Sotomayor

Obama's first Supreme Court nominee was successful. She became the very first hispanic on the Supreme Court and only the 3rd woman.

#5 Credit Card Reform

The credit card reform bill that Obama signed in May of 2009 has helped to provide new protections for customers.

#6 Stem Cell Research

In May of '09 Obama signed an executive order allowing more federal money to be used for very important stem cell research.

Number 7:

#7 More Successful on Anti-Terrorism Than Bush

Obama launched more attacks on terrorists in his first year than did Bush in the last four years of his Presidency combined.

OK, list them. Come on, that's another "point" that's just plain goofy. There's
no way to tell such a thing in the present, even if all the facts were public,
and it's not a surety that even a historic lookback will tell such a thing.
Moreover, even if the supporting statement "more attacks" were true, the
mere number of "attacks" is meaningless without a whole lot more information. I
mean, what's "an attack?" What was the result of each one? How many bystanders
hurt or killed, if any?

But I will say this for him: thankfully, on that front, he has, much to _his_
personal credit, grown up pretty fast in that regard and thus far, seems to be
doing an acceptable job. I'd prefer it if he got the US the hell out of Iraq
and Afghanistan (like he promised), but IAC, as far as terrorism, he seems to be
doing as much as most of either party could do and doing it about as well.

yeah, yeah...i know you wanted to quibble with me personally. but we
both know i'm no match for you, and i've no desire to disappoint either
of us. G

Geez - all I asked for was 5 real, national accomplishments to explain why you'd
vote for him. And I get a CnP of mostly silly-assed crap about his
fuel-efficient vehicle policy, weaseling about "less" lobbyists with no mention
of the "_NO_" lobbyists promise he broke in the first, what, week(?) in office,
and a ****pot full of highly subjective, often incorrect stuff about how
wondrous he is.

I mean, really - is "Many more press conferences and town halls and much more
media access than previous administration" a real reason for someone to vote for
a person for POTUS, even assuming it to be true?

jeff


HTH,
R

sure you do...

TC,
R

On Apr 1, 6:44*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:31:47 -0400, jeff wrote:
On 3/31/2010 6:50 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

Is there anyone on earth more stupid than you?

Yeah, I can name a whole bunch in this nuthouse that voted for Obama.

...and, i'll vote for him again.

Ah...proving that "stupid friend in NC, " I take it...

Seriously, though, why in the hell would you state such a thing, not even
halfway through his Presidency? *Oh, yeah, that's right - I forgot about you and
Johnny Breck...



jeff (proud of my president...been a while since i felt that way)

FWIW, Bush had substantially higher approval ratings for a longer time than
Obama...and that's when he was getting unto into Iraq and Afghanistan...you
know, them there places Obama SWORE he'd get the **** out of about 13 seconds
after he got into office...

And I'll ask yet again - name 10...hell, 5...truly important things he's
accomplished.for the US citizenry as a direct result of his being in
office...IOW, **** he personally has accomplished. *Hell, just list 5 reasons
you'd vote for him again regardless of what else might follow. *While I can't
say he's done a _bad_ job, I can't he's done a good one either. *Near as I can
figure, he hasn't done _anything" significant...and I'll even ignore the whole
"health care bill" debacle, because at the end of the day, it - as it currently
stands - won't actually do much, if anything at all, in the big scheme of
things.

HTH,
R

What horse****: You were saying he was doing a bad job as Prez BEFORE
he was even sworn in! You just read from the script given to you.

"near as (you) I can figure" . . . that dear friends comes as close to
illustrating the word "disingenuous" as Barbara's bad boy son's
"clean" arrest record. (GWs quashed cocaine bust)
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

Dave
Double scheeeeesh.