Cluuuuck, cluck, cluuuuk

On 4/1/10 9:35 AM, Craig Gullixson wrote:

I think I could live with someone less expensive and less skilled at
screwing up the economy.

Good one.

The main problem (but by no means the only problem) with Wall St., IMO,
is the incentive structure. Bankers have a huge upside incentive to make
crazy, risky gambles with other people's money. The upside is millions
in bonuses, while the downside is -- at worst -- getting fired, and even
that doesn't seem to happen very often.

BTW, my spell checker wants to change your name to Gullible. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On 2010-04-01 14:43:25 -0400, Steve M said:

On 4/1/2010 6:15 AM, Giles wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:46 pm, Steve wrote:
On 3/31/2010 8:03 PM, Giles wrote:



snip


Yeah, the score card trope is real precious. You may rest assured
that you'll be taken seriously just as soon as we catch up with the
backlog of other rocket scientists who have been waiting for years.

g.

Stung did it?

Hmmm... Well, since you seem to be a self-appointed keeper of the
flame, I bow to your superior judgement.

As far as being 'taken seriously' by this group.... no... not going to
touch that one.

Oh well, you folks have a good time.

Maybe I can find a news group that actually focuses on fishing. You'd
think there was one somewhere.....

Give a big cheer (or heave a sigh of relief) for I'll not waste my time
or yours with any more postings to this group.

If you feel compelled to reply to THIS post, realize you are doing so
for your own amusement, or to cater to any sycophant followers you may
have, as I'll never see it.

Rec Outdoors Fly Fishing, my foot.

\s

Stick around, Steve. The sycophants and the Sisyphuses that haunt this
place do report on fly fishing, and usually there are good reports to
read. Wade through the extraneous crap and the place ain't half bad.
Just ignore the left wing ideological boobs, and the right wing ones
too for that matter.

d;o)

On 3/31/2010 6:50 PM, David LaCourse wrote:

Is there anyone on earth more stupid than you?

Yeah, I can name a whole bunch in this nuthouse that voted for Obama.

....and, i'll vote for him again.


jeff (proud of my president...been a while since i felt that way)

On 3/31/2010 7:37 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
Gee, just thought of some REALLY stupid people. All those folks in
California that voted for Pelosi. Come to think of it, just "all those
folks in California" works for me. d;o)



those folks include my friends danl and his wife, cindy, and rw, and
larry, and...well, dave, i know you're being silly...but, um...those are
some of the REALLY, REALLY **NOT STUPID** people i know in california...
don't know who "all those folks" might be...but,um, i don't know them.

finally...pelosi is a brilliant politician, imo. that she makes
republicans wet their diapers and ooze spittle from their lips as they
speak is a sign of her genius and worth. g

jeff (your really stupid friend in eastern nc)

On 3/31/2010 7:33 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 19:00:16 -0400, DaveS said:

On Mar 31, 2:42 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton"
s
aid:



"DaveS" wrote in message
..

.
So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the
Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of
working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles,
raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy,

Dave

and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do wit
h ol'
David's healthcare, huh?

Tom

Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should
probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I
have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of
it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and
now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. You
could have done the same.

I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a
successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to
immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of
my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights.
They're FREE!

What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us.

Louie

Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare.

Thank you.
Or with you
planning. Or with your service.

Thank you. That is very big of you.

However you seem to have some
standards for you and some for others. For example. . .

Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why
should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay
for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people,
there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right.
Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned?

Health care and Tricare is NOT in the Constitution. That's my point,
David. However, in 1956 a representative of the Government *promised me*
a full retirement after 20 years of service and a lifetime of medical
care. It was PROMISED. Seemed like a pretty good idea to me. Stay in the
military, make some rate, do a good job, retire at age 38, have a small
retirement for the rest of my life along with other bennies, *INCLUDING*
health care.

Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of
(Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of
Rights. They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future
generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE
IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Keeping a promise IS the right thing to do, David. My health care and
yours and probably everyone else's will not be any better after this.
There is no money. The Government is spending like a drunken sailor in
towndown Yokohama.

This all started, David, because I pointed out that SS was broke. Tom
was recently touting how good SS was and that the health care program
will follow its path. The government can not run health care and do it
efficiently. Fix it. God yes, it needs help, but to turn it over to the
governement is foolhardy at best.

Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your
what, "GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or
whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his
God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a
discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to
vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians.

big grin

But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix
a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for
healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every
available opportunity? Amazing.

Fix health care, David. It needs fixing, but don't let the government be
in charge. It can only lead to catastrophy, one we can not afford.


Dave
I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big
Pharma on meds? Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered
Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or
maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming?

Your ghosts really bother you don't they, Dave? Tsk, tsk, remember,
Ideology Sucks. A given. And another given is SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKEN,
BUSTED, BANKRUPT. As is everything else government has ever tried.

Dave


....and, i was "promised" social security... why is your promise better?

jeff (my ghosts really...really... bother me.)

On 4/1/10 5:47 PM, jeff wrote:
On 3/31/2010 7:37 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
Gee, just thought of some REALLY stupid people. All those folks in
California that voted for Pelosi. Come to think of it, just "all those
folks in California" works for me. d;o)



those folks include my friends danl and his wife, cindy, and rw, and
larry, and...

I've voted for Pelosi (and Boxer) in the past, but now I vote in Idaho.

Don't blame me for Larry Craig. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On 4/1/2010 4:57 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-04-01 14:43:25 -0400, Steve M
said:

On 4/1/2010 6:15 AM, Giles wrote:
On Mar 31, 11:46 pm, Steve wrote:
On 3/31/2010 8:03 PM, Giles wrote:



snip


Yeah, the score card trope is real precious. You may rest assured
that you'll be taken seriously just as soon as we catch up with the
backlog of other rocket scientists who have been waiting for years.

g.

Stung did it?

Hmmm... Well, since you seem to be a self-appointed keeper of the
flame, I bow to your superior judgement.

As far as being 'taken seriously' by this group.... no... not going to
touch that one.

Oh well, you folks have a good time.

Maybe I can find a news group that actually focuses on fishing. You'd
think there was one somewhere.....

Give a big cheer (or heave a sigh of relief) for I'll not waste my
time or yours with any more postings to this group.

If you feel compelled to reply to THIS post, realize you are doing so
for your own amusement, or to cater to any sycophant followers you may
have, as I'll never see it.

Rec Outdoors Fly Fishing, my foot.

\s

Stick around, Steve. The sycophants and the Sisyphuses that haunt this
place do report on fly fishing, and usually there are good reports to
read. Wade through the extraneous crap and the place ain't half bad.
Just ignore the left wing ideological boobs, and the right wing ones too
for that matter.

d;o)



oh god, so much to say... but, if someone is driven from this place
because of concern about sycophants and lack of fishing focus...well,
hell, just load the gun, put it in your mouth, and blow that lunacy
away. better to vomit a sigh of relief. smile at what is silly, focus
on the useful, and breathe the life you've got. i say, caress the
boobs...don't let them make you crazy (well, unless you're a boob
guy...then it's a good thing, eh?)

jeff (easily amused...but very appreciative of the amusement)

On 2010-04-01 19:57:09 -0400, jeff said:

On 3/31/2010 7:33 PM, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 19:00:16 -0400, DaveS said:

On Mar 31, 2:42 pm, David LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-03-31 17:13:02 -0400, "Tom Littleton"
s
aid:



"DaveS" wrote in message
..

.
So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the
Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of
working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles,
raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy,

Dave

and, it sure is a lucky thing that the government has nothing to do wit
h ol'
David's healthcare, huh?

Tom

Tom, read my reply to David. I *PLANNED* my future. You should
probably try to do the same, although I think it too late for you. I
have worked HARD all my ****in' life, Tom, and for you to make light of
it is not appreciated. I *sacrificed* in my youth for my old age, and
now I am reaping the benefits that were promised to me in 1956. You
could have done the same.

I wish someone would tell me how, how in the hell, did we become such a
successful, powerful, wonderful country that everyone wants to
immigrate to, and we did it without the "right" of healthcare. All of
my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of Rights.
They're FREE!

What a ****in' mess we have gotten ourselves into. God help us.

Louie

Well Louie I have no problem with you getting Tricare.

Thank you.
Or with you
planning. Or with your service.

Thank you. That is very big of you.

However you seem to have some
standards for you and some for others. For example. . .

Tricare- . . . is broke. It pays out more than it takes in. So why
should you expect the Government to extract taxes from others to pay
for your healthcare? Oh, that big bad govt, of the American people,
there it goes again, coming thru on a promise to Louie, not a right.
Where in the Constitution is Tricare mentioned?

Health care and Tricare is NOT in the Constitution. That's my point,
David. However, in 1956 a representative of the Government *promised me*
a full retirement after 20 years of service and a lifetime of medical
care. It was PROMISED. Seemed like a pretty good idea to me. Stay in the
military, make some rate, do a good job, retire at age 38, have a small
retirement for the rest of my life along with other bennies, *INCLUDING*
health care.

Oh wait, I forgot, lets see how did you put it(?) . . . " All of
(Louie's) my rights are God given and are contained in the Bill of
Rights. They're FREE!" Free to you maybe, but the present and future
generations of taxpayers foot the bill for that promise. WHY? BECAUSE
IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Keeping a promise IS the right thing to do, David. My health care and
yours and probably everyone else's will not be any better after this.
There is no money. The Government is spending like a drunken sailor in
towndown Yokohama.

This all started, David, because I pointed out that SS was broke. Tom
was recently touting how good SS was and that the health care program
will follow its path. The government can not run health care and do it
efficiently. Fix it. God yes, it needs help, but to turn it over to the
governement is foolhardy at best.

Interesting. No one is threatening your health care, why it's your
what, "GOD GIVEN RIGHT?" Where in the Bible(s), the Koran, or
whatever holy book you got does it say the Louie's health care is his
God Given Right, cause he planned and "worked hard?" No, it is a
discretionary decision of the American people to provide healthcare to
vets and retirees. And lots of DOD civilians.

big grin

But you get all worked up, damn the patriotism of people trying to fix
a system that costs twice what other Western Nations pay for
healthcare for half the results, and you hector those efforts at every
available opportunity? Amazing.

Fix health care, David. It needs fixing, but don't let the government be
in charge. It can only lead to catastrophy, one we can not afford.


Dave
I don't remember you getting so worked up with Bush's giveaway to Big
Pharma on meds? Oh, wait a minute: was that why Hillary murdered
Vince Foster, or maybe a plot by Kerry to get the Silver Star, or
maybe it was Al Gore's plot to fake global warming?

Your ghosts really bother you don't they, Dave? Tsk, tsk, remember,
Ideology Sucks. A given. And another given is SOCIAL SECURITY IS BROKEN,
BUSTED, BANKRUPT. As is everything else government has ever tried.

Dave


...and, i was "promised" social security... why is your promise better?

jeff (my ghosts really...really... bother me.)

Better? My promise is BETTER? Hardly, my friend. I do believe we
have both been taken to the cleaners. This is the last year we will
have to pay max tax, but I'm betting it really isn't. Down the road,
if I live long enough, they will continue to sock it to me.

On 4/1/2010 12:55 AM, DaveS wrote:
On Mar 31, 7:01 pm, Steve wrote:
On 3/31/2010 10:57 AM, DaveS wrote:





On Mar 29, 3:32 pm, David wrote:
'Tis the sound of the chickens coming home to roost:

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2010/...ty-in-the-red/

And now our *health care* is in charge of these people. God save us.

Louie

Dave, how can this be true? When you say "our" healthcare, that is not
really accurate is it? You're covered by "Tricare" as are most
retirees and military.
And you know that TRICARE . . .
1. Already EXCEEDS the standards of the new health reform law, and
2. TRICARE WILL NOT BE TRANSFERRED to the new reform set up
3. That TRICARE operates and under a separate administration and legal
framework.

You probably didn't read any of the more than a dozen notices, emails
etc going back 2-3 months that quite clearly made this point to
everybody with the possible exception of Messrs Beck and Limbesmerch.
So here is the citation that will catch you up. (Because why else
would you pass on bad info intentionally? Certainly not for reasons of
blind ideological radicalism.)

http://www.tricare.mil/

So at least you personally will not need God to save you from the
Democrat/Communist plot to make sure that the next generation of
working people will be healthy enough to fight this Nation's battles,
raise this Nation's food, and build this Nation's economy,

Dave

I don't know if I'll get this right from memory, but maybe I'll be close
enough....

Rules for political debate when you're on shaky ground:

1. Make up facts to support your arguments (lie)
2. Try to re-frame the argument on better terms for your side.
3. Change the subject so you can frame the terms of a new argument.
4. Change a fact based argument to an emotional one where logic loses.
5. In all cases, belittle your opponent's intelligence, beliefs,
and morals. (shoot the messenger)

Based on the above criteria... hmmmm... let's see.....

Well, you definitely nailed #3 since bringing up Tricare in this
context is clearly a red herring and does not address the subject
of the OP's link.

And you sort of used #4, though in an elusive manner.

On #5, you clearly failed to stomp on the OP's morals, though you
were able to question his literacy and get a dig in at his religious
beliefs (if any).

Sorry, I have give your efforts at proper political posturing a
dismal 3.5 score. (out of 10).

Tsk. Please do better.

\s

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on being just as unsuccessful near home." M. Twain- Hide quoted text -

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If you are going to get involved in these things you should at least
read the first post. Be that as it may. . .

Mostly you are full of ****. But the religious comment takes the cake.
The pirate, not me brought up his "God given rights." You remind me
of today's news in which the militia groups still on the loose say the
Michigan crazies just arrested by the FBI are getting a bad rap
because they are really "not Christian" or militia for that matter.
What nonsense.

Fact based? I guess it works for you that the Pirate presented zip, no
facts. Fact is the Pirate is mostly ignorant of even how Tricare
works. See, much of what he thinks is Tricare, is actually paid for by
Medicare, and probably the spousal insurance. And not all Tricare is
"free," nor are all covered by Tricare service personnel, nor was
Tricare around in 1956, and that many wounded are not covered, that
most war widows are not covered etc etc. You know who tries to cover
the healthcare needs of the aforementioned? Guess.

And who runs Tricare? Why it is the same Government that Dave says
can't run anything, the same Govt that runs the best military in the
world, the best postal service in the world, the most extensive
National Parks system in the world, the best weather service, coast
and geodetic service etc etc.

Here's a fact for you at no charge. In over 35 years of consulting,
much of it in fixing human service programs I learned that most MEN,
know diddle squat about health insurance or how the schools for their
kids work. Your average man for the most part is FULL OF **** AND
IGNORANCE about both healthcare and education. But that doesn't stop
men from saying and thinking all kinds of nonsense and being big
babies and whiners, or angry assholes, when they need something from
the healthcare system. I only need to point to the pictures of the
"Teabaggers" waving signs saying "Keep the Governments Hands off my
Medicare" to demo my point.

Women, on average, understand this stuff much better, and they and
their kids have to suffer the consequences of this incredible
aggressive ignorance. Work for a week in a public hospital and you
will be changed.

Dave

i know it may **** you off to have a lawyer agree with you...but,
well...right is right.

jeff (who has learned women are, mostly, the better part of mankind
g...not to mention all that soft, supple, curvy, pleasant, erotic,
sensuous, sensual, artistic, kind, genius,...and more poetry)

On 4/1/2010 12:12 PM, rw wrote:
On 4/1/10 9:35 AM, Craig Gullixson wrote:

I think I could live with someone less expensive and less skilled at
screwing up the economy.

Good one.

The main problem (but by no means the only problem) with Wall St., IMO,
is the incentive structure. Bankers have a huge upside incentive to make
crazy, risky gambles with other people's money. The upside is millions
in bonuses, while the downside is -- at worst -- getting fired, and even
that doesn't seem to happen very often.

BTW, my spell checker wants to change your name to Gullible. :-)


and there's "civilisation" in new mexico? amazing!

jeff g