Need hook setting advice

On 2010-08-09 11:30:00 -0400, flebow said:


Don't think about catching them
They can read your thoughts and they are laughing at you
Think about drifting down a lazy river w them

.......while practicing your Karman gait.

d;o)

On 08/09/2010 09:20 AM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 11:30:00 -0400, flebow said:


Don't think about catching them
They can read your thoughts and they are laughing at you
Think about drifting down a lazy river w them

......while practicing your Karman gait.

I do not know about reading my mind. They would be very
confused as to the concept that they were edible. And
as for laughing, perhaps. More likely they are probably
"mocking" me.

Actually, if you have seen underwater video of trout
Kármán gaiting, it looks pretty restful and peaceful.
They may actually be enjoying themselves. A twitch of
their pectoral fin and their food drifts right in their
mouth. Another twitch and back into his feeding lie.
No chasing involved. Kind of a trout's version of a
lazy boy chair.

:-)

-T

For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

On 2010-08-09 15:02:27 -0400, Todd said:


For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

eyes rolling

On 08/09/2010 01:43 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 15:02:27 -0400, Todd said:


For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

eyes rolling



Hi Dave,

Is there some part of the The Journal of Experimental
Biology's paper that you disagree with? I would love
hear your criticism of it. The more about trout behavior
I learn, the better a fisherman I become.

Or, perhaps, you were just giving me a bad time. :-)

-T

On 2010-08-09 17:34:52 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/09/2010 01:43 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-09 15:02:27 -0400, Todd said:


For those of you who missed my prior posts on the subject,
the "Kármán gait" is the explanation of the fluid dynamics
involved in a trout holding its position is moving/turbulent
water while expending little or no energy to do such.

Here is an excellent link to the "The Journal of Experimental
Biology" where the paper was published on the "Kármán gait".

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/conten...act/206/6/1059

There is also lovely underwater video footage of it in Ozzie
Ozefovich's, "Underwater World of Trout - Feeding Lies".

Ozzie also has wonderful underwater footage of trout feeding
off the drift too. The "drift" is a description of trout food
caught in the current that drifts by a trout's nose while
he is Kármán gaiting in his feeding lie.

I would love it if Ozzie would make up a screen saver of
some of his Kármán gaiting footage. But, then again, I'd
probably never get any work done.

eyes rolling



Hi Dave,

Is there some part of the The Journal of Experimental
Biology's paper that you disagree with? I would love
hear your criticism of it. The more about trout behavior
I learn, the better a fisherman I become.

Or, perhaps, you were just giving me a bad time. :-)

-T

This is not an experimental biology forum. And knowing about Karmen
gaiting and posting ad nauseum about it make you a better fisherman.
And it sure as hell hasn't improved my hitch ups.

I always give suspicious people a hard time. You come on board with an
anonymous name, which is bad enough, but you also have to hide your
isp. No one would do that unless they are being insincere. What ARE
you hiding, Todd? No one here will hurt you. Everyone uses their
given names here. We all know each other. We've fished together. But
you are a riddle wrapped in an inigma. And, no, that is NOT a
compliment.

If you truly fish the way you say you do, you shoud consider taking up
another sport/hobby. Golf/tennis come to mind.

Dave

On 08/09/2010 03:25 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
This is not an experimental biology forum. And knowing about Karmen
gaiting and posting ad nauseum about it make you a better fisherman.
And it sure as hell hasn't improved my hitch ups.

Sharing the references to what has made me a better fisherman
with others is me being a generous, nice guy. So far
as I remember, I have only posted the Journal's link twice.
That is not "ad nauseum". This is sharing what I know with
others who do not know me and are kind enough to share with me
anyway -- up to and including their fish recipes.

By the way, I do not see you sharing your tips with me
but I do freely share mine with you.

I always give suspicious people a hard time. You come on board with an
anonymous name, which is bad enough, but you also have to hide your isp.
No one would do that unless they are being insincere. What ARE you
hiding, Todd? No one here will hurt you. Everyone uses their given names
here. We all know each other. We've fished together. But you are a
riddle wrapped in an inigma. And, no, that is NOT a compliment.

Dave,

I could not fish with anyone else if I even had the mind to.
I just do not have the time; I do not have the facilities to
host anyone; I do not have the financial ability to host anyone;
a few of you scare me. And, quite frankly, the fishing around
these parts sucks.

And, what I am hiding is my "identity". Why? Check out
what happens to kids when their identity gets out on My Space:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

You are taking a risk I can not take. And a foolish risk
at that. This forum is open to the entire Internet and
there are a lot of psychopaths out there.

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.
Neither can counter the element of surprise. So, my
identity stays hidden. Yours should have too.

It is a blessing that others on this group fish with you.
If they identify themselves to you, it should be out-of-band,
so they do not put themselves at risk either.

riddle wrapped in an inigma
suspicious people

Oh brother.

HTH,
--T-o-d-d

Todd wrote:
I could not fish with anyone else if I even had the mind to.
I just do not have the time; I do not have the facilities to
host anyone; I do not have the financial ability to host anyone;
a few of you scare me. And, quite frankly, the fishing around
these parts sucks.

And, what I am hiding is my "identity". Why? Check out
what happens to kids when their identity gets out on My Space:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

You are taking a risk I can not take. And a foolish risk
at that. This forum is open to the entire Internet and
there are a lot of psychopaths out there.

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.
Neither can counter the element of surprise. So, my
identity stays hidden. Yours should have too.

Your identity isn't as hidden as you'd like to think and
like it or not anonymity is not the default in this little
corner of cyberspace. Those who choose to remain anonymous
will have a hard time trying to find friends or fishing
partners here on roff. You cannot generalize from what you
think you know about Usenet forums and apply it to roff.

We're ... changed. LOL !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 2010-08-09 19:03:36 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/09/2010 03:25 PM, D. LaCourse wrote:
This is not an experimental biology forum. And knowing about Karmen
gaiting and posting ad nauseum about it make you a better fisherman.
And it sure as hell hasn't improved my hitch ups.

Sharing the references to what has made me a better fisherman
with others is me being a generous, nice guy.

Knowing about Karmen gaiting obviously hasn't made you a better fisherman.

So far
as I remember, I have only posted the Journal's link twice.
That is not "ad nauseum". This is sharing what I know with
others who do not know me and are kind enough to share with me
anyway -- up to and including their fish recipes.

By the way, I do not see you sharing your tips with me
but I do freely share mine with you.

So far your "tips" have been laughable.

I know all about Karmen gaiting. It has not made me a successful
fisherman. Studying the river, having a proper presentation regardless
the lure, knowing what the fish are targeting, knowing how to mend
properly, etc. has made me a successful fly fisherman, and it ain't got
nothing to do with Karmen gaiting. Intuition also plays a big part. I
sometimes see a fly and KNOW it will work on such-in-such river, and I
am 99% correct.

Tips? Read my trip reports. All of them, dating back at least 12
years or so, including fishing for big brook trout in Labrador, big
rainbows in Alaska and Russia, big Pacific salmon in Alaska, big German
browns in Chile, big stealhead and chinnuck with Peter Charles in
Canuckistan, cutts "out west", and enormous sea-run browns in Tiera del
Fuego, as well as itty-bitty brookies taken in Georgia and NC.

I always give suspicious people a hard time. You come on board with an
anonymous name, which is bad enough, but you also have to hide your isp.
No one would do that unless they are being insincere. What ARE you
hiding, Todd? No one here will hurt you. Everyone uses their given names
here. We all know each other. We've fished together. But you are a
riddle wrapped in an inigma. And, no, that is NOT a compliment.

Dave,

I could not fish with anyone else if I even had the mind to.
I just do not have the time; I do not have the facilities to
host anyone; I do not have the financial ability to host anyone;

Host? Who the hell is talking about hosting? Not me.

a few of you scare me.

They should. This place IS a nuthouse, you know. d;o) As an old
adversary is wont to say, "Boooo!"

And, quite frankly, the fishing around
these parts sucks.

I'd move if I was you. I found out that 95% of auto accidents happen
within a few miles of your home. Scared the hell out of me. I moved.


And, what I am hiding is my "identity". Why? Check out
what happens to kids when their identity gets out on My Space:

http://thedeadkidsofmyspace.com/.

Ah, so the mystery is solved; you are an 11 year old girl. You should
NOT be posting to a forum where dirty old men frequent.

You are taking a risk I can not take. And a foolish risk
at that.

You ever see me drive? I take risks all the time. You ever race with
the Boy Lawyer on dirt roads in Pennsylvania? Risky ****, that. I
live in Massachusetts. You ever drive in Massachusetts? You risk your
life every time you start your engine, never mind leaving the garage!

This forum is open to the entire Internet and
there are a lot of psychopaths out there.

Yeah, and on roff too, believe me. I have family members who travel to
meetings with people they have met on the internet. We have claves
where fellow roffians travel to fish with each other. Nothing to hide
nor fear. I've given my credit card information to a couple of
roffians.

And don't tell me about your guns or your dogs named Adolf.

My dog's name in Jenny. She'd love you to death. Really!

Neither can counter the element of surprise.

Well, hell. If you could counter it, it wouldn't be a surprise would
it? Gosh, golly.....

So, my
identity stays hidden.

So you can hide from something. You don't like boys and hang around
train stations do you?

Yours should have too.

Nah. If anyone causes me harm I will hire someone to kick the **** out
of them. d;o) I'm too old to personally do it. But in my day, sonny,
let me tell you........


It is a blessing that others on this group fish with you.
If they identify themselves to you, it should be out-of-band,
so they do not put themselves at risk either.

Out of band. Is that a European saying? Never heard it here in the States.

They don't identify themselves to me, they identify themselves thru
roff. There is nothing to hide or fear...... well, there are a few you
could fear, but honestly, they are harmless. Big bunch of sissies.

riddle wrapped in an inigma
suspicious people

Oh brother.

HTH,
--T-o-d-d

Nope. Ain't your brother. My last name is LaCourse.

No one, NO ONE, could be as stupid a fisherman as you let on to be. If
you really are sincere about what you have written on this forum about
fishing, I warmly suggest you go to some sort of fly fishing school or
join a fly fishing club, or maybe hang around a fly shop and get to be
friends with the owner and others. There's always stamp collecting or
staying anonymous OFF the internet.

Dave LaCourse (who would give a dozen of Harry Mason's Killer Caddis
to know your true identity)