Need help finding an underwater Baetis fly

On Aug 12, 8:22*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:59:31 -0400, Todd said:





On 08/12/2010 02:52 PM, Giles wrote:
All you've managed to do
thus far is to pick up a couple of notorious fools who cannot beg,
borrow or steal, let alone invent a novel way of making absolute asses
of themselves.

You probably are correct. *It was bad judgment on my part to argue
with them -- rise to the bait, so to speak.

g.
oh, by the way, you might want to take a look at swisher's and
richards' "no hackles" and/or some old classic flies (wet or
dry).....the kind made with paired duck quill wings.....for some ideas
relevant to your quest.

I love them. *They are about 85% of what I was looking
for. *I will be spending a lot of time of that site staring.

I did notice on his flies page, he give a black and white
picture of a Baetis spinner. *So, he is actually trying
to match the little buggers.

http://www.dougswisher.com/flies.htm

Do you mean the figure at top left? snort chortle That is a drawing
of the actual spinner, NOT one that he has tied. *What a maroon.

My sides are hurting .........

"Hurting" like REALLY bad?.......or just hurting like "Yeah, I'm still
an idiot who STILL thinks education is a joke."?

I mean, yeah, the distinction DOES matter.

g.
well, yeah, it does.

On Aug 12, 9:37*pm, Todd wrote:
On 08/12/2010 06:07 PM, Giles wrote:

Thank you! *I will have to find one in a store. *May not get to
go fishing for a few weeks though. *:'( * *Hmmm. *Maybe I could get
the flyshop to tie some for me.

Why not tie your own?

If I get two hours on the river a month, I am doing
really well. *It is probably what keeps me from dying
from stress. *I just do not have the time. *It sucks.

Well, how about tying them at home? I mean, hell, it's a lot closer
to home, right? Saves time, right?

You will fid this interesting

I doubt it.....but go on.

(Ralph Cutter again):http://www.flyline.com/tips_trivia/golden_trout_2/

* * * As trout leave the lakes to spawn in tributary
* * * streams they are suckers for roe flies. Orange
* * * 3mm pom-poms (available at craft stores) speared
* * * on a #14 hook and held in place with a few turns
* * * of thread are irresistible.

Rank stupidity.

Nothing in this world is irresitible to fish......that's why fishing
remains interesting. And that's why you aren't a fish.

I am probably up to that. *:-)

More or less.....or not.....I suppose.

-T

Why is it my stalker can call me a "nitwit" and you
refuse?

I thought we had already covered that. You are, once again, starting
to get boring. Do yourself a favor.....when your schtick gets
tedious......even to yourself......do something different.

It does not mean anything if it does not
come from you.

NOTHING means anything unless it comes from me.....get used to it.

Maybe if I think up something really,
really stupid.

One is tempted to advise not taxing yourself, but.....

Aw man. *My brain hurts. *I just can't
do it.

Yes you can. Trust me.

Oh hell. *Maybe next time.

This time.....next time.....every time.

g.

On Aug 12, 4:23*pm, Todd wrote:
On 08/12/2010 03:46 PM, DaveS wrote:

Did you read Kens' advise? The imitation vs presentation discussion
goes right back into early American FFing lit.

Yes. *I am still looking for a near match. *It is a pet project of
mine. *I would really like to see how it would do up against
the successful, conventions flies I use. *It is just a pet project.
I also realize that a bait fisherman who used a real Stonefly, etc.
is going to kick my ass every time. *I am just trying to catch up with
him. *Maybe I don't even have to. *The fun is in the trying.
I will see. *I will probably report back when I do. *This is suppose
to be fun.

So you come along, and I must say your questions are good at
stimulating FFing content posts, HOWEVER . . . given the mode of the
group you are free-loading.

I do ask a lot of questions. *That is how I learn. *When I state
my experience, sometimes backed up with references, those curmudgeons
you speak of, get a bit testy. *And, I do answer others questions
from time to time when I information to add. *My favorite stalker
does like to sneer at them, like my answer on the Cabelas' flies,
which I presume give him reason to live. *(See I do a service
for humanity.)

Your excuse about time doesn't wash, and
there IS something about your "voice" that evokes some long gone pain
in the ass, BUT your refusal to even key off of the Pirates'
suggestion, that you ID yourself to at least one regular of your own
choosing, is insulting. The character of this group is old-school
male; men don't show up in masks and play hidey games. You may very
well have some embarrassing crap to hide, you may be in prison, you
may be in some very security sensitive situation, you may be hiding
from the law or an EX, etc etc. All that aside, if you cannot at least
let one person here confirm a real identity in confidence, you are
indeed one sorry guy.

No I can not. *Please respect my wishes on this on this.

If it helps you. *I do not know any person on this group and I have
never posted on this group before under any other name. *Any
resemblense to persons in your past is coincidence. *I am not
who you think I am. *I am just Todd. *And, if I revealed my
identity to you, I will still be just Todd. *As for my writing
style, I am hermetically corny and have a scientific/engineering
background. *It influences my writing style.

*I suggest you not respond to my post ...

Oops. *Sorry. *:-)

-T
Well it sure didn't take you long to think it thru. Not even one
person can know the masked mans' identity. Juvenile. So we go on from
here. Lots of folks use a Sig, but then they also have real
identities, which is a basic safety item in non-authoritarian circles.
Right?

Sure. So lets put things on an equal plain of respect. From now on
you can call me by the name I prefer you alone to use. For you I am
"Lord and Master." You will know its Dave, my real name, you are
addressing as "LORD AND MASTER," I will still be Dave and as a sign of
mutual respect I will call you "TODD", and you will call me LORD AND
MASTER. I considered "LORD Poo-Bah of the Sketchy Archipelago," but
LORD AND MASTER just has a ring to it. As you say "Please respect my
wishes on this." As you were "TODD"

LORD AND MASTER (to "TODD")

On 2010-08-12 22:51:29 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 8:22*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:59:31 -0400, Todd said:





On 08/12/2010 02:52 PM, Giles wrote:
All you've managed to do
thus far is to pick up a couple of notorious fools who cannot beg,
borrow or steal, let alone invent a novel way of making absolute asses
of themselves.

You probably are correct. *It was bad judgment on my part to argue
with them -- rise to the bait, so to speak.

g.
oh, by the way, you might want to take a look at swisher's and
richards' "no hackles" and/or some old classic flies (wet or
dry).....the kind made with paired duck quill wings.....for some ideas
relevant to your quest.

I love them. *They are about 85% of what I was looking
for. *I will be spending a lot of time of that site staring.

I did notice on his flies page, he give a black and white
picture of a Baetis spinner. *So, he is actually trying
to match the little buggers.

http://www.dougswisher.com/flies.htm

Do you mean the figure at top left? snort chortle That is a drawing
of the actual spinner, NOT one that he has tied. *What a maroon.

My sides are hurting .........

"Hurting" like REALLY bad?.......or just hurting like "Yeah, I'm still
an idiot who STILL thinks education is a joke."?

I don't think education is a joke. Afterall, I am married to a lovely
woman with a PhD in physics. Not all people need or even should go to
college, Wolfgang. Both of my children are college educated. Joanne
and I have helped a neice get her Associate Degree. Education is
important for some people. I have two very successful sons-in-law; one
with a college degree, and one without. Both are equally successful.
A formal education is not always the answer. I'll take a man with a
work ethic and drive to succeed over one that went to college to
"succeed".

Dave

On 2010-08-12 21:58:27 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 7:06*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:52:59 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 1:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 13:48:57 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/11/2010 05:42 PM, Giles wrote:

p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i couldn'
t
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang.
*I
mmensely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

Hi Giles,

I never thought these words would escape from my fingers, but I have
kind of missed you in your short absence from these pages. *Just
a little bit. *Not that much. *Don't get the swelled head.

I figured congress went on recess and you finally got a chance to
do some fishing. *:-)

-T

Oh, yes. *And everyone need a stalker in the life. *Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. *But Giles is only a one trick pony. *Don't count on hi
m f
or
very much more than that. *And he loves to stalk too. *Stalkstalks
tal
k.
*Everyone of roff stalks.

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

Moron.

g.

Keep on riding. *You're doing youself proud, Pony Boy.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

Giddy up, Pony.

Davey

DaveS wrote:
Todd wrote:
... I am just Todd. And, if I revealed my
identity to you, I will still be just Todd. ...

Well it sure didn't take you long to think it thru. Not even one
person can know the masked mans' identity. Juvenile. So we go on from
here. Lots of folks use a Sig, but then they also have real
identities, which is a basic safety item in non-authoritarian circles.
Right? ...

The Google CEO was talking about this just the other day. Folks
have a legal right to privacy but no such right exists regarding
anonymity. As for me, I consider anonymous posters cowardly and
beneath contempt. If you can't put your name on what you write,
why bother to write it ?

But, looking on the bright side, it's nice that Louie has a new
playmate. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 2010-08-13 07:54:17 -0400, Ken Fortenberry
said:

DaveS wrote:
Todd wrote:
... I am just Todd. And, if I revealed my
identity to you, I will still be just Todd. ...

Well it sure didn't take you long to think it thru. Not even one
person can know the masked mans' identity. Juvenile. So we go on from
here. Lots of folks use a Sig, but then they also have real
identities, which is a basic safety item in non-authoritarian circles.
Right? ...

The Google CEO was talking about this just the other day. Folks
have a legal right to privacy but no such right exists regarding
anonymity. As for me, I consider anonymous posters cowardly and
beneath contempt. If you can't put your name on what you write,
why bother to write it ?

First sensible thing you've said in ages.

But, looking on the bright side, it's nice that Louie has a new
playmate. ;-)

Actually I think he is an "old" playmate. Something about his style
reminds me of....... well, you know who.

Ooooops, forgot. You aren't reading this.

Louie

On Aug 13, 5:51*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 21:58:27 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 7:06*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:52:59 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 1:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 13:48:57 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/11/2010 05:42 PM, Giles wrote:

p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i couldn'
t
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang.
*I
mmensely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

Hi Giles,

I never thought these words would escape from my fingers, but I have
kind of missed you in your short absence from these pages. *Just
a little bit. *Not that much. *Don't get the swelled head.

I figured congress went on recess and you finally got a chance to
do some fishing. *:-)

-T

Oh, yes. *And everyone need a stalker in the life. *Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. *But Giles is only a one trick pony. *Don't count on hi
m f
or
very much more than that. *And he loves to stalk too. *Stalkstalks
tal
k.
*Everyone of roff stalks.

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

Moron.

g.

Keep on riding. *You're doing youself proud, Pony Boy.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

Giddy up, Pony.

Davey

Idiot.

g.

On 2010-08-13 10:05:29 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 13, 5:51*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 21:58:27 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 12, 7:06*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:52:59 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 1:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 13:48:57 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/11/2010 05:42 PM, Giles wrote:

p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots
is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i could
n'
t
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang.
*I
mmensely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

Hi Giles,

I never thought these words would escape from my fingers, but I hav
e
kind of missed you in your short absence from these pages. *Just
a little bit. *Not that much. *Don't get the swelled head.

I figured congress went on recess and you finally got a chance to
do some fishing. *:-)

-T

Oh, yes. *And everyone need a stalker in the life. *Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. *But Giles is only a one trick pony. *Don't count on
hi
m f
or
very much more than that. *And he loves to stalk too. *Stalkstal
ks
tal
k.
*Everyone of roff stalks.

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

Moron.

g.

Keep on riding. *You're doing youself proud, Pony Boy.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

Giddy up, Pony.

Davey

Idiot.

g.

LOL. Every time I say giddy up, you do. Cool. I have my very own
pony who does as he's told.

Giddy up, pony. Giddy up.

d;o)

On Aug 13, 9:35*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-13 10:05:29 -0400, Giles said:





On Aug 13, 5:51*am, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 21:58:27 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 7:06*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 17:52:59 -0400, Giles said:

On Aug 12, 1:30*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-08-12 13:48:57 -0400, Todd said:

On 08/11/2010 05:42 PM, Giles wrote:

p.s. *watching you twist davie into ever tighter little knots
is
hilarious, whether not not it's intentional.....and, no, i could
n'
t
care less either way.

Davie? *Knots? *heeheehee *I am enjoying myself, Wolfgang..
*I
mmensely
aamof. *I can hardly wait until he discovers google.

Davey

You're an idiot.....and a pig.....and a liar.

g.

Hi Giles,

I never thought these words would escape from my fingers, but I hav
e
kind of missed you in your short absence from these pages. *Just
a little bit. *Not that much. *Don't get the swelled head.

I figured congress went on recess and you finally got a chance to
do some fishing. *:-)

-T

Oh, yes. *And everyone need a stalker in the life. *Thank you
for noticing.

Or a pony. *But Giles is only a one trick pony. *Don't count on
hi
m f
or
very much more than that. *And he loves to stalk too. *Stalkstal
ks
tal
k.
*Everyone of roff stalks.

Dave, aka The Stalker (or as I like to be known, Chief Stalker)
(my eyes are starting to hurt from all the rolling....)

Moron.

g.

Keep on riding. *You're doing youself proud, Pony Boy.

d;o)

Imbecile.

g.

Giddy up, Pony.

Davey

Idiot.

g.

LOL. *Every time I say giddy up, you do. *Cool. *I have my very own
pony who does as he's told.

Giddy up, pony. *Giddy up.

d;o)

Cretin.

g.