Um, Ken..., or, suddenly, $24,000.00 for a evening out in NYC seems like a bargain...

http://www.navytv.org/media.cfm?c=189&m=879&s=115&




Kenny's pathological hatred of the U.S. military has been obvious for
years, Dave. *That's is what I was hitting him on. *The crew did the
best that they could under the circumstances. *The same with the
Pueblo. *Kenny doesn't understand *anything* about national security,
and certainly nothing about the NSG or NSA.

On Nov 9, 6:18*am, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 23:54:02 -0800 (PST), DaveS wrote:
Richard, I am a grad of BYU, I am not a "Mormon," and my use of
profanity, my irreligious comments, and possibly even my hostility to
anti-Mormon bigotry, would all be mostly embarrassing to most LDS. I
just have no use for bigotry. I also cannot turn away JWs, because of
the respect I have for their stand to the death against the Nazi
Holocaust. That doesn't make me a Jehovah Witness. Calling me a
"Stormin Mormon" is not just stupid, it is inaccurate.

Which, to me, shows me just how little you actually understand about me or even
common sensibility - if I actually thought you were a Mormon, I'd not even
consider calling you "Stormin' Mormon"...unless, of course, you were a Mormon
and styled yourself as such...

Sheesh,
R

Good. Thank you.
Dave

On Nov 9, 8:28*am, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
http://www.navytv.org/media.cfm?c=189&m=879&s=115&

SNIP
Yep, and here is the story of the intentional murder of 37 USN and
various US intell personnel serving aboard the Liberty. But for some
details it is reasonably correct.

http://www.navytv.org/search.cfm?sea...ow=6&pageNum=2

With these murders, most of the best Arabic translation human assets
of the USA were assassinated. WHERE IS THE MONUMENT TO THEM AND AN
HONEST EXPLAINATION OF WHY THEY WERE MURDERED? A monument Americans
can see, not some plaque in an obscure hallway in McClain, or out at
NSA. All the coverup to keep intact a phony history version of that
particular war.

And no country is interested in the exhumation of the remains of the
Egyptian civilians and POWs executed en mass at the El Arish airstrip,
and monitored by the men on the Liberty, either. Not Egypt, not
Israel, not the US. Not Libs not Rightards. But the bitterness in US
intel circles remains and the consequences for the USA continue. They
heard too much, they knew too much, so they were murdered.

Dave

On 2010-11-09 14:19:24 -0500, DaveS said:

With these murders, most of the best Arabic translation human assets
of the USA were assassinated. WHERE IS THE MONUMENT TO THEM AND AN
HONEST EXPLAINATION OF WHY THEY WERE MURDERED? A monument Americans
can see, not some plaque in an obscure hallway in McClain, or out at
NSA. All the coverup to keep intact a phony history version of that
particular war.

Dave, of the 34 men killed, about 7 were CT I branchers (Interpretive
branch - the linguists). To say "most" of the best Arabic translation
human assets is a little disingenuous. Most I branchers are at NSA or
ships/sites in the middle east - at that time they included Turkey,
Cyprus, Italy, and Morocco. There were many R, T, and M branchers also
killed.

As far as memorials: There should be one of them in DC, along with the
EC-121 shot down by North Korea, but don't hold your breath. There are
several memorials for the U.S.S. Liberty around the country, including
a school in your state. Google USS Liberty for a list.

Dave

On Nov 9, 12:43*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
On 2010-11-09 14:19:24 -0500, DaveS said:

With these murders, most of the best Arabic translation human assets
of the USA were assassinated. WHERE IS THE MONUMENT TO THEM AND AN
HONEST EXPLAINATION OF WHY THEY WERE MURDERED? A monument Americans
can see, not some plaque in an obscure hallway in McClain, or out at
NSA. All the coverup to keep intact a phony history version of that
particular war.

Dave, of the 34 men killed, about 7 were CT I branchers (Interpretive
branch - the linguists). *To say "most" of the best Arabic translation
human assets is a little disingenuous. *Most I branchers are at NSA or
ships/sites in the middle east - at that time they included Turkey,
Cyprus, Italy, and Morocco. *There were many R, T, and M branchers also
killed.

As far as memorials: *There should be one of them in DC, along with the
EC-121 shot down by North Korea, but don't hold your breath. *There are
several memorials for the U.S.S. Liberty around the country, including
a school in your state. *Google USS Liberty for a list.

Dave

Yep. I want a big one in DC, on or near the Mall, and one in the
Capitol, where Congressmen on Appropriations have to pass it everyday,
and maybe a plaque or two in the cafeterias at State, as a remembrance
of how much we really "owe" our allies, and maybe a big plaque in the
Johnson Library down in Texas. And one or 2 each at the DNC and RNC
offices.

Dave
There were some more flown out to meet the ship before it moved to
station off Sinai.

On Nov 9, 1:28*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Nov 9, 12:43*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:





On 2010-11-09 14:19:24 -0500, DaveS said:

With these murders, most of the best Arabic translation human assets
of the USA were assassinated. WHERE IS THE MONUMENT TO THEM AND AN
HONEST EXPLAINATION OF WHY THEY WERE MURDERED? A monument Americans
can see, not some plaque in an obscure hallway in McClain, or out at
NSA. All the coverup to keep intact a phony history version of that
particular war.

Dave, of the 34 men killed, about 7 were CT I branchers (Interpretive
branch - the linguists). *To say "most" of the best Arabic translation
human assets is a little disingenuous. *Most I branchers are at NSA or
ships/sites in the middle east - at that time they included Turkey,
Cyprus, Italy, and Morocco. *There were many R, T, and M branchers also
killed.

As far as memorials: *There should be one of them in DC, along with the
EC-121 shot down by North Korea, but don't hold your breath. *There are
several memorials for the U.S.S. Liberty around the country, including
a school in your state. *Google USS Liberty for a list.

Dave

Yep. I want a big one in DC, on or near the Mall, and one in the
Capitol, where Congressmen on Appropriations have to pass it everyday,
and maybe a plaque or two in the cafeterias at State, as a remembrance
of how much we really "owe" our allies, and maybe a big plaque in the
Johnson Library down in Texas. And one or 2 each at the DNC and RNC
offices.

Dave
There were some more flown out to meet the ship before it moved to
station off Sinai.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And by the way, I apologise for jumping on your posts sometimes. This
RvsD **** is too intense right now and gets in the way of too much
other stuff. Sorry.

Dave

Dave, there were three linguist aboard the Liberty that were kia. Two
Marines and one NSA civilian. The two Marines were Russian linguists,
while the civilian was an Arabic specialist. There were other CT I
branchers aboard, but they survived.

Thought you might like to know.

Hopefully the Navy or the US Gov. will erect a memorial for those
killed and wounded.

Dave

On Nov 10, 6:50*pm, D. LaCourse wrote:
Dave, there were three linguist aboard the Liberty that were kia. *Two
Marines and one NSA civilian. *The two Marines were Russian linguists,
while the civilian was an Arabic specialist. *There were other CT I
branchers aboard, but they survived.

Thought you might like to know.

Hopefully the Navy or the US Gov. will erect a memorial for those
killed and wounded.

Dave

Thanx. I agree per the memorial. IMHO there were some other things
also going on and still unaccounted for. Ex: That was alot of work for
Mr Blue. Ex: What did the Israelis have to trade in turn for the
recon/damage assessment flites/pix?

Dave

On Nov 8, 5:10*pm, "~^ beancounter ~^" wrote:
yes he is...dangerous also...to the financial security of the USA...

Moron.

g.

On Nov 8, 5:38*am, wrote:
On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 15:15:22 -0500, Ken Fortenberry





wrote:
DaveS wrote:
Yep, Ken is skeptical and less than adulatory as to the US military.
And that gets old, ****es people off, me included, and gets a general
negative reaction. If you haven't noticed its not too popular an
attitude round here. It ****es me off about as much as his anti-Mormon
slurs.

The history of the US military and likewise the history of the
Latter Day Saints provides precious little which would lead me
to conclude they are deserving of adulation. The former is a
history of necessary evil and the latter a history of a racist
cult theocracy which became, for all practical purposes, the
state religion of Utah.

I am able to respect a persons service in the military but I
cannot respect the military. I can likewise respect a persons
right to worship any way they please without respecting the
cult in which they worship.

And I can respect your right to be ****ed off. You'll get
over it.

Reminds me of a little story...

It seems there were two little boys (or armies, if you prefer) circling each
other, about to duke it out. *One was little Billy Smith. *The Smiths were
extremely religious - Sunday school, Sunday service, day service, night service
- if the doors were unlocked, there were the Smiths, raising praise to their
deity. *Boy howdy, were they respected in their town! *Even folks of other
religions had to admit the Smiths were obviously devoutly religious. *The other
boy was little Johnny Jones. *These Jones' were not the ones with which the
folks in town wished to keep up, *Oh, everyone said that while they weren't
_bad_ people, they couldn't be all that good because they never went to church
or gave any outward sides of having any particular religion. *So, anyway, there
are little Billy and little Johnny, doing little-boy fight prep, with little
Billy asking his deity to smite the non-believer and little Johnny thinking
about what his parents might say about him fighting. *Suddenly, little Billy
screamed, "I'm gonna whip yer atheist ass, you son of a bitch!," and took a
series of wild, awkward swings. *Little Johnny took advantage of his opponent's
misplaced exuberance and without saying a word, beat the snot-slinging **** out
of little Billy. *As he stepped back, little Johnny looked up to the skies and
said, "Um, God, excuse me, sir, but when you have a moment, please forgive
Johnny...he knows not what he does..."

And on a related note, if you two Apostles of St. Nitwit think that Seymour
Hersh is a credible journalist, you need and deserve a little more
religion...oh, to be sure, he knows how to get pseudoliberal wannabe
intellectuals whipped into a tizzy to further his "career," but as far as
providing a truly informative bit of journalism, not so much...

HTH,
R-

Hm.....

Moron.

g.