Woe be unto ye

On Jan 8, 5:07*pm, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Jan 6, 11:36*pm, "Russell D." wrote:



Actually, I am now more convinced that they will not replace books for a
long time. Many books just do no work well on them. I purchased one book
on my Kindle that had a lot of illustrations that text kept referring
to. It was very inconvenient to try and go back and forth from the text
to the illustration.

This is where the iPad has the advantage. There is a Kindle app for
the iPad so one can access the Kindle library, but with the iPad they
tell me one can integrate the graphics in a book on either the iBook
app or the Kindle app.

The trouble with the iPad (as well as the applications mentioned by
Steve W.) is that it isn't a book. Neither is the Kindle, of course,
but it looks, feels, and behaves (more or less) like a book. I (and
most of the rest of us, I presume) already have a computer or two, a
phone with more computing capacity and memory than an Apollo
spacecraft, a camera that knows more than I do, and various other
electronic gadgets that will, eventually (and probably sooner than
later) replace me. And I don't mind any of that.....but I like
BOOKS......and if I'm going to use an electronic ersatz book, I want
one that looks and feels and behaves much like A BOOK!.....or, better
yet, a library which is, after all, simply a book to the nth power.

Wolfgang
now, if they could just capture that musty old ink, paper, and leather
smell.

On Jan 9, 9:17*pm, Giles wrote:

The trouble with the iPad (as well as the applications mentioned by
Steve W.) is that it isn't a book. *Neither is the Kindle, of course,
but it looks, feels, and behaves (more or less) like a book. *[snip]
*And I don't mind any of that.....but I like
BOOKS......and if I'm going to use an electronic ersatz book, I want
one that looks and feels and behaves much like A BOOK!.....or, better
yet, a library which is, after all, simply a book to the nth power.


My cheesehead friend, I too prefer books.
However the Ipad Kindle app gives you the book behaviors you so
mention, but it also shows the illustrations.

Neither here nor there,

On Jan 9, 10:22*pm, Wayne Knight wrote:


My cheesehead friend, I too prefer books.

I've seen some of your books. I carried one around for a few days,
afraid to touch it and kept awake nights for fear that bandits might
be coming for it at any moment.

However the Ipad Kindle app gives you the book behaviors you so
mention, but it also shows the illustrations.

Neither here nor there,

Neither here nor there is one of the two important things to bear in
mind. The Kindle was a gift, a thing I was delighted to receive and
am happy to have, but not something I desired or would have gone out
of my way to purchase.
The second (somewhat less important) thing is that I'd like it better
if it behaved more like a real book.....with certain qualifications.
Some of the features, like bookmarking, searching across multiple
volumes, and other data retrieval and manipulation functions are the
cat's ass.....things that would be welcome in REAL books, were they
possible. But beyond that, the point of the thing, as far as I am
concerned, is that it be a BOOK.....not a computer, one of whose
functions is something booklike. The iPad, one of which I have
sitting here as I type, is a fully functioning computer, and appears
(based on my very limited experience with it) to be a very good one,
but I already have a laptop and a phone with more funtions than I'll
be able to learn about and use to their fullest effect before it wears
out or is superceded by something with even more useless (to me) bells
and whistles. The iPad also has a backlit screen. I assume that the
Kindle application on the iPad (I don't see it here) cannot get around
that; the Kindle's very paper and ink like screen is presumably a
different technology. And that screen is, for me, the single most
important esthetic feature of the device.....not to mention the matter
of eyestrain that Russell brought up.

So, again, I'm thrilled with the Kindle.....but there is room for
improvement.


Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. Ask Frank.

Wolfgang
*including two heart-healthy meals a day at no extra cost.

Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. *Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. *Ask Frank.

Wolfgang
*including two heart-healthy meals a day at no extra cost.

Bring a "suit of lights" and your favorite set of varas for access to
the stream.
Frank "Pick-a-Door... Any door" Reid

On Jan 10, 12:51*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. *Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. *Ask Frank.

Wolfgang
*including two heart-healthy meals a day at no extra cost.

Bring a "suit of lights" and your favorite set of varas for access to
the stream.
Frank "Pick-a-Door... Any door" Reid

I guess the proper term is picas, though why you would fight a bull by
throwing little guinea pigs at it, I do not know.
Frank Reid

On Jan 10, 12:57*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:57 pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. Ask Frank.

Wolfgang
*including two heart-healthy meals a day at no extra cost.

Bring a "suit of lights" and your favorite set of varas for access to
the stream.
Frank "Pick-a-Door... Any door" Reid

I guess the proper term is picas, though why you would fight a bull by
throwing little guinea pigs at it, I do not know.
Frank Reid

In their native range they are plentiful and inexpensive.....like
rats. Elsewhere, they breed.....um.....well, like ****in' rats
(which, let's be frank here, they are). Bottom line.....cheap
ammunition. A few hundred, fired in rapid succession would, at the
very least, wreak havoc on bovine traction.....not to mention
distraction on an scale impossible for ANYTHING to ignore. However,
speaking frankly (oops, just spilled a gallon of wine on the keyboard,
breaking an ankle and severing a relatively major artery in the
process.....but, no matter) such measures should hardly be necessary
for most ordinary mortals. Prevarication, dissembling,
circumlocution, joshing, kidding, or outright lying should be
sufficient. In short, don't be.....wait for it.....frank.

Meanwhile, a day slated for reading from the new device that inspired
this thread has turned into a nightmare of trying to sate the
monster. I'd already made a trip to Project Gutenberg and downloaded
a number of items that had never particularly excited my interest but
seemed like the sort of thing that a literate boy SHOULD be familar
with. Fair enough.....into the hopper they went. O.k., let's see
what we've got. Hm.....roughly 3 gigabytes of capacity remaining.

Allright, back to PG. Hm.....Shakespeare. Yeah! That ought to do
the trick! Download. Roughly 3 gigabytes left.

Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales," Stowe's "Uncle tom's Cabin," and Baum's
"The Wonderful Wizard of Oz." Roughly 3 gigabytes left.

Gibbon's "Decline and Fall....," Shelley's "Letters written during a
short residence in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark," and Kafka's "The
Trial." Roughly 3 gigabytes left! Ack!

Christie's "The Mysterious Affair at Styles," Swift's "A Modest
Proposal," Twain's "Life on the Mississippi," and "Adventures of
Huckleberry Finn," Wodehouse's "My Man Jeeves," Cervantes' "Don
Quixote," Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass," the KJV, Smith's "An
Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations," Grose's
"1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," Kipling's the Jungle Book,"
Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil,".....HAH! Roughly 3
gig......AAAARRRGGGHH!

So, I bought Twain's autobiography (the 2010 edition....volume 1, as
it turns out) from Amazon ($9.95), the Complete Works of Twain (sans
2010 autobiography) 300+ works with active table of contents ($0.99),
& the Complete Works of Kipling 100+ works with active table of
contents ($0.99). That shou......roughly 3 g WTF!!??

help me!

Wolfgang
who will gladly accept any reasonable recommendations.

On 01/10/2011 07:42 PM, Giles wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:57 pm, Frank Reid © wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:57 pm, Frank Reid © wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, Frank Reid © wrote:

Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. Ask Frank.

Wolfgang
*including two heart-healthy meals a day at no extra cost.

Bring a "suit of lights" and your favorite set of varas for access to
the stream.
Frank "Pick-a-Door... Any door" Reid

I guess the proper term is picas, though why you would fight a bull by
throwing little guinea pigs at it, I do not know.
Frank Reid

In their native range they are plentiful and inexpensive.....like
rats. Elsewhere, they breed.....um.....well, like ****in' rats
(which, let's be frank here, they are). Bottom line.....cheap
ammunition. A few hundred, fired in rapid succession would, at the
very least, wreak havoc on bovine traction.....not to mention
distraction on an scale impossible for ANYTHING to ignore. However,
speaking frankly (oops, just spilled a gallon of wine on the keyboard,
breaking an ankle and severing a relatively major artery in the
process.....but, no matter) such measures should hardly be necessary
for most ordinary mortals. Prevarication, dissembling,
circumlocution, joshing, kidding, or outright lying should be
sufficient. In short, don't be.....wait for it.....frank.

Meanwhile, a day slated for reading from the new device that inspired
this thread has turned into a nightmare of trying to sate the
monster. I'd already made a trip to Project Gutenberg and downloaded
a number of items that had never particularly excited my interest but
seemed like the sort of thing that a literate boy SHOULD be familar
with. Fair enough.....into the hopper they went. O.k., let's see
what we've got. Hm.....roughly 3 gigabytes of capacity remaining.

Allright, back to PG. Hm.....Shakespeare. Yeah! That ought to do
the trick! Download. Roughly 3 gigabytes left.

Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales," Stowe's "Uncle tom's Cabin," and Baum's
"The Wonderful Wizard of Oz." Roughly 3 gigabytes left.

Gibbon's "Decline and Fall....," Shelley's "Letters written during a
short residence in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark," and Kafka's "The
Trial." Roughly 3 gigabytes left! Ack!

Christie's "The Mysterious Affair at Styles," Swift's "A Modest
Proposal," Twain's "Life on the Mississippi," and "Adventures of
Huckleberry Finn," Wodehouse's "My Man Jeeves," Cervantes' "Don
Quixote," Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass," the KJV, Smith's "An
Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations," Grose's
"1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," Kipling's the Jungle Book,"
Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil,".....HAH! Roughly 3
gig......AAAARRRGGGHH!

So, I bought Twain's autobiography (the 2010 edition....volume 1, as
it turns out) from Amazon ($9.95), the Complete Works of Twain (sans
2010 autobiography) 300+ works with active table of contents ($0.99),
& the Complete Works of Kipling 100+ works with active table of
contents ($0.99). That shou......roughly 3 g WTF!!??

help me!

Wolfgang
who will gladly accept any reasonable recommendations.

All I know it that "War and Peace" and two volumes of autobiography by
Ulysses S. Grant don't make a dent.

Russell

"There's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza . . . "

On Jan 10, 8:42*pm, Giles wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:57*pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:
On Jan 10, 12:57 pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:





On Jan 10, 12:51 pm, Frank Reid © 2010 wrote:

Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. *Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. *Ask Frank.

Wolfgang
*including two heart-healthy meals a day at no extra cost.

Bring a "suit of lights" and your favorite set of varas for access to
the stream.
Frank "Pick-a-Door... Any door" Reid

I guess the proper term is picas, though why you would fight a bull by
throwing little guinea pigs at it, I do not know.
Frank Reid

In their native range they are plentiful and inexpensive.....like
rats. *Elsewhere, they breed.....um.....well, like ****in' rats
(which, let's be frank here, they are). *Bottom line.....cheap
ammunition. *A few hundred, fired in rapid succession would, at the
very least, wreak havoc on bovine traction.....not to mention
distraction on an scale impossible for ANYTHING to ignore. *However,
speaking frankly (oops, just spilled a gallon of wine on the keyboard,
breaking an ankle and severing a relatively major artery in the
process.....but, no matter) *such measures should hardly be necessary
for most ordinary mortals. *Prevarication, dissembling,
circumlocution, joshing, kidding, or outright lying should be
sufficient. *In short, don't be.....wait for it.....frank.

Meanwhile, a day slated for reading from the new device that inspired
this thread has turned into a nightmare of trying to sate the
monster. *I'd already made a trip to Project Gutenberg and downloaded
a number of items that had never particularly excited my interest but
seemed like the sort of thing that a literate boy SHOULD be familar
with. *Fair enough.....into the hopper they went. *O.k., let's see
what we've got. *Hm.....roughly 3 gigabytes of capacity remaining.

Allright, back to PG. *Hm.....Shakespeare. *Yeah! *That ought to do
the trick! *Download. *Roughly 3 gigabytes left. * * *

Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales," Stowe's "Uncle tom's Cabin," and Baum's
"The Wonderful Wizard of Oz." *Roughly 3 gigabytes left.

Gibbon's "Decline and Fall....," Shelley's "Letters written during a
short residence in Sweden, Norway, and Denmark," and Kafka's "The
Trial." *Roughly 3 gigabytes left! *Ack!

Christie's "The Mysterious Affair at Styles," Swift's "A Modest
Proposal," Twain's "Life on the Mississippi," and "Adventures of
Huckleberry Finn," Wodehouse's "My Man Jeeves," Cervantes' "Don
Quixote," Carroll's Through the Looking-Glass," the KJV, Smith's "An
Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations," Grose's
"1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," Kipling's the Jungle Book,"
Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil,".....HAH! *Roughly 3
gig......AAAARRRGGGHH!

So, I bought Twain's autobiography (the 2010 edition....volume 1, as
it turns out) from Amazon ($9.95), the Complete Works of Twain (sans
2010 autobiography) 300+ works with active table of contents ($0.99),
& the Complete Works of Kipling 100+ works with active table of
contents ($0.99). *That shou......roughly 3 g * * WTF!!?? * * *

help me!

Wolfgang
who will gladly accept any reasonable recommendations.- Hide quoted text -

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Hint, try downloading a couple of MS Word documents. That will fill
that sucker up in heartbeat.
Frank Reid
(Just trying to help)

On Jan 10, 9:41*am, Giles wrote:


Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. *Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. *Ask Frank.


I am working on getting up there this year. Not been there in a
while.

Will be good to renew the soul on favorite waters and friends.

On Jan 14, 9:24*pm, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Jan 10, 9:41*am, Giles wrote:



Meanwhile, you should be making plans to get your slenderized ass up
here in the spring. *Many fish in many excellent streams (the nearest
of which is about a four minute drive away), and deluxe free
accommodations* in a beautiful sylvan setting. *Ask Frank.

I am working on getting up there this year. Not been there in a
while.

Will be good to renew the soul on favorite waters and friends.

I'm a bit north of the favorite waters you've shown me.....but not by
much. Half an hour from Viroqua. Many promising streams up here.

Looking forward to trying some of them with you.....and Joel.....and
Frank.....and Jeff.....and, well, John will probably not be joining us
for a while.

Wolfgang