Montana HB309 -limiting public access to rivers

On Feb 23, 7:32*pm, " wrote:
On Feb 23, 9:52*am, Larry L wrote:

Thank You, Fred

Thank You, Fred

Thank You, Fred

In case there was any doubt, this bill is a Republican effort,
introduced by Jeffrey Wellburn (R-Dillon) and supported overwhelmingly
by Republicans.

And speaking of anti-democratic institutions.....

Is it just me?.....or has anyone else noticed some very interesting
goings on going on in various portions of the world in the past few
weeks?

Tunis.....Cairo.....Sana‘a.....Manama.....Tobruk.. ........Madison.

giles

On Feb 23, 6:56*pm, Giles wrote:
In case there was any doubt, this bill is a Republican effort,
introduced by Jeffrey Wellburn (R-Dillon) and supported overwhelmingly
by Republicans.

Fred, what has the Democratic governor of MT said? Will he veto this?

And speaking of anti-democratic institutions.....

Tunis.....Cairo.....Sana‘a.....Manama.....Tobruk.. ........Madison.

I think 2011 will turn out to be a historic year in those farther
places, but Madison....I must assume you mean the teachers' union when
you refer to anti-democratic institutions.

Jon.

On 2/25/2011 3:05 PM, Jonathan Cook wrote:

I think 2011 will turn out to be a historic year in those farther
places, but Madison....I must assume you mean the teachers' union when
you refer to anti-democratic institutions.

Jon.

care to explain this one, Jon? Because, I sort of like my teachers
having some bargaining power. Just because the rest of the nation got
gulled into going non-union, and then watching their wages stagnate and
benefits get stolen so the folks at the top of the scale can enrich
themselves, doesn't make the unions the bad guys for resisting the trend.
Tom

On Feb 25, 3:31*pm, Tom Littleton wrote:
On 2/25/2011 3:05 PM, Jonathan Cook wrote:

places, but Madison....I must assume you mean the teachers' union when
you refer to anti-democratic institutions.

care to explain this one, Jon? Because, I sort of like my teachers
having some bargaining power. Just because the rest of the nation got

Private sector unions offer a balance against the power of
corporations. What do public sector unions balance? The power of those
governing, which in our representative democratic republic is
approximately the power of the people. So public sector unions are
anti-democratic. I agree that our society is in a sad state when it
comes to private sector unions, it almost cries out for revolutionary
thinking (and acting); yet public sector unions are really a symptom
of an underlying disfunction. They should not be needed. And they can
become too powerful. If anyone right now needs a public sector union
it is not the teachers, it is the soldiers.

Jon.

On Feb 25, 5:04*pm, Jonathan Cook wrote:
On Feb 25, 3:31*pm, Tom Littleton wrote:

On 2/25/2011 3:05 PM, Jonathan Cook wrote:

places, but Madison....I must assume you mean the teachers' union when
you refer to anti-democratic institutions.

care to explain this one, Jon? Because, I sort of like my teachers
having some bargaining power. Just because the rest of the nation got

Private sector unions offer a balance against the power of
corporations. What do public sector unions balance? The power of those
governing, which in our representative democratic republic is
approximately the power of the people. So public sector unions are
anti-democratic. I agree that our society is in a sad state when it
comes to private sector unions, it almost cries out for revolutionary
thinking (and acting); yet public sector unions are really a symptom
of an underlying disfunction. They should not be needed. And they can
become too powerful. If anyone right now needs a public sector union
it is not the teachers, it is the soldiers.

Jon.

moron.

g.

On Feb 26, 6:43*pm, Giles wrote:
On Feb 25, 5:04*pm, Jonathan Cook wrote:



On Feb 25, 3:31*pm, Tom Littleton wrote:

On 2/25/2011 3:05 PM, Jonathan Cook wrote:

places, but Madison....I must assume you mean the teachers' union when
you refer to anti-democratic institutions.

care to explain this one, Jon? Because, I sort of like my teachers
having some bargaining power. Just because the rest of the nation got

Private sector unions offer a balance against the power of
corporations. What do public sector unions balance? The power of those
governing, which in our representative democratic republic is
approximately the power of the people. So public sector unions are
anti-democratic. I agree that our society is in a sad state when it
comes to private sector unions, it almost cries out for revolutionary
thinking (and acting); yet public sector unions are really a symptom
of an underlying disfunction. They should not be needed. And they can
become too powerful. If anyone right now needs a public sector union
it is not the teachers, it is the soldiers.

Jon.

moron.

g.

This thread is nominated for the George Gherke award to irrelevance to
fly fishing..

On Mar 1, 4:58*pm, DavePA wrote:
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This thread is nominated for the George Gherke award to irrelevance to
fly fishing..


didn't start out that way ..... Montana HB 309 could make it illegal
to float and fish the Bitterroot ... that you enjoyed 3 years ago ...
for instance

On 3/1/2011 7:58 PM, DavePA wrote:


This thread is nominated for the George Gherke award to irrelevance to
fly fishing..

jeez... posts from the fog! you must have retired and started your
guiding biz, eh?? good to hear from you!

jeff

Montana House of Representatives recently passed HB 309, a bill, if passed, Montana legislature, to limit access to many rivers in Montana, not only those who fish daily but who also re-Montana Create these rivers. We have the opportunity to stop this bill!

On Feb 25, 3:04*pm, Jonathan Cook wrote:

Jon, if I am not mistaken, the implications of your premise is that
public sector unions are only needed in non "representative democratic
republics?" But in "representative democratic republics" workers
should take it or leave it?

Further, you are not saying that whichever party elects its officials
should have the unfettered right to unilaterally set the conditions of
work, are you? And when another political party wins an election,
would the winning party get to reset the conditions of work, pensions,
health insurance etc etc? Or should this be the sole province of
executive branch public managers? Which ones of this sterling cast
would you willingly rely on for your family's health and welfare?

Sounds like a formula for chaos or at least instability. A look at the
number of public sector work stoppages pre and post the right to
collectively bargain is, I understand, instructive.

Dave
Former member Local 2112 Carpenters, and AFSME
Retired reluctant and successful capitalist
Work Union = live better
AFL-CIO = the folks who bought you the weekend, with their blood.
I post this in remembrance of my fathers organizer half brother,
beaten to death by company thugs and thrown in a ditch, . . . in this
"representative democratic republic."