Lapland clave 2004

"Vaughan Hurry" wrote in message
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Sounds great. I've gone through an agonizing week-long decision-making
process (see the post on "Next Years Plans") but I'll be skipping my
summer
school this year to come home, but coming to the clave on my way back to
Congo. Put me down for a bed in the cabin, as I'll be travelling fairly
light (I hope), and will be coming in from the US.

Does this mean we have a bit more flexibility in the timing of the clave?
(HINT) :-)


Whew. Sort of. If I'm taking the year off entirely, then we can clave for
the whole month of August for all I care. But since today's plan is to be
back here for the start of school, then I'll need to be back in Kinshasa on
August 13th. I suppose I could fly from Stockholm to Kinshasa on that
Thursday (12th) or Friday (13th), so we could effectively end the clave on
the 11th or 12th. I should know in a day or two what the more accurate
school-starting dates are.

--riverman

"Roger Ohlund" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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Hi all,



Attendees so far:

Vaughan Hurry (Tent)
Fred Risberg (Tent)
Roger Ohlund (Tent)
Jarmo Hurri (Tent)
Jerome Phillipon (aka Leaping frog, gets a bed in the cabin)
Myron Buck (aka riverman, gets a bed in the cabin)
Erik Risberg (Tent)
Mike Connor (Tent or the cabin Mike?)

Interested:

Osmo Jauhiainen
Hans Bock
Jeff Miller
John (asadi)

/Roger



If I fly, then the cabin would be nice. Can´t tell you yet, still waiting
for some info........

Aaaaggggghhhh! Forget it, I will bring a tent. let those coming in from
farthest away have the cabin.

TL
MC

"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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I'm in, yes indeed.

Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?

The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
priority for me.)



Hmmm, since my schedule seems to be a pivotal point to this entire clave
(too cool, thanks guys), maybe there's a way to get several things
accomplished here. Jarmo; when are the dates of your salmon trip, and are
you available to do both? I would be very amenable to proposing having the
Lapland Clave earlier (like the last week in July) so that you and Vaughan
could come along, if I could join up with you on the Salmon trip clave...
Would something like having the Lapp clave on July 26-Aug 1, then driving
north together for the Salmon trip work? I'd be way into doing both, if it
worked out.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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I'm in, yes indeed.

Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?

The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
priority for me.)



Hmmm, since my schedule seems to be a pivotal point to this entire clave
(too cool, thanks guys), maybe there's a way to get several things
accomplished here. Jarmo; when are the dates of your salmon trip, and are
you available to do both? I would be very amenable to proposing having the
Lapland Clave earlier (like the last week in July) so that you and Vaughan
could come along, if I could join up with you on the Salmon trip clave...
Would something like having the Lapp clave on July 26-Aug 1, then driving
north together for the Salmon trip work? I'd be way into doing both, if it
worked out.

--riverman


You guys.......

There's one more issue here. The cabin, as most of the Saami cabins in the
mountain area, is not normally available to rent.
It took quite a lot of persuasion and no small amount of work in locating
the owners and getting them to agree to rent it to me. Fred was mighty
surprised at the fact that I did get to rent it.
The Swedish government does not allow anyone but the original inhabitants of
this area, the Saami, to build anything within the area.
This means that cabins like this one is normally impossible to get a hold
of.
Also, while the last week in July would mean even brighter summer nights,
the fishing is normally better in August. As you could see last year the
fishing got better and better during our stay. That high up in the mountain
it isn't normally as warm water as what you experienced last year and as
such that won't affect fishing all that much.
If possible, try to stick to these dates. Although I myself will probably be
staying longer in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan.
We have to arrange for the dates when you want to be picked up by the
helicopter. It will possibly take us three and three or four and four
depending on how many we will be. So if three of us want to get home a day
or two early we have to tell the pilot about this before flying out. The
mobile phone coverage is under all criticism in this area, but once in a
while you can climb a mountain and send an SMS message.

/Roger

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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You guys.......

There's one more issue here. The cabin, as most of the Saami cabins in the
mountain area, is not normally available to rent.
It took quite a lot of persuasion and no small amount of work in locating
the owners and getting them to agree to rent it to me. Fred was mighty
surprised at the fact that I did get to rent it.
The Swedish government does not allow anyone but the original inhabitants
of
this area, the Saami, to build anything within the area.
This means that cabins like this one is normally impossible to get a hold
of.
Also, while the last week in July would mean even brighter summer nights,
the fishing is normally better in August. As you could see last year the
fishing got better and better during our stay. That high up in the
mountain
it isn't normally as warm water as what you experienced last year and as
such that won't affect fishing all that much.
If possible, try to stick to these dates. Although I myself will probably
be
staying longer in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan.
We have to arrange for the dates when you want to be picked up by the
helicopter. It will possibly take us three and three or four and four
depending on how many we will be. So if three of us want to get home a day
or two early we have to tell the pilot about this before flying out. The
mobile phone coverage is under all criticism in this area, but once in a
while you can climb a mountain and send an SMS message.


The wilderness version of the VodaCom Rock, eh?

OK, Dad, as I originally said, I'm fine with the dates as they stand. For
me, it doesn't work out at all to get done too soon and then have to sit
around for a week before coming to Congo. If Jarmo's friends are flexible
about dates and participants, and want to make their Salmon trip the last
week in July, I'd be up for doing that on week one and then coming to the
Lapland Clave. Of course, this might be a 'club' thing, and not open to
general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea) and
join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.

Also, if it turns out that I don't have to be back here until August 16 (a
distinct possibility), I'll stick around to fish with Vaughan, too. It would
make the return flight more economical, since there'd be 3 or 4 of us
instead, and I love being in that part of the world. :-)

--riverman

Long story short: while some of my friends are very punctual, others
have major problems in fixing their timetables - or lack the
willingness to do so. It is most probable that their schedule will
become available very close to the date of departure. It is also
fairly probable that the dates of the trip will overlap the clave.

I, on the other hand, boast on being flexible. :-) Seriously,
personally I prefer to fix the dates early on if possible.

The location I have in mind for the second week is a relatively small
and somewhat isolated river flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The river
contains small salmon (grilse), and presumably also sea-run trout, but
is mostly famous for its sea-run charr. I've never fished this river,
but have heard and read a lot about it. The straw that broke the
camel's back was a discussion I had with a Finnish guy who had been
fishing this river in the last two summers. Hard-fighting sea-run
charr with dries (and nymphs), with the occasional grilse - I decided
that I would really make an effort to visit this river next summer.

The fishing licenses cost much more than in Sweden - something like 27
euros per day. (This is not at all unusual in Norway.) We would be
living in a tent, and we would have to carry a week's supply of food
(something like a five-mile hike).

According to the texts I've seen, the charr run typically begins in
mid-July and lasts until the end of August. The week after the Swedish
clave would probably be better than the week before the clave.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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use .

Oh joys of being an organiser with over enthusiatic participants - he says
for having tried himself!

Flexible for dates when the group decides. However will need to understand
when the helo flies in and out, even if there are two rotations. Taking more
than 6 working days holidays will be hard.
Another option that has always appealed to me would be to paddle back by
canoe in that case to Adolfstrom. Sorry Roger if I am throwing another
spanner in the works: do not know whether feasible with rapids, duration and
logistics with canoes but the thought crossed my mind. Please let me have
your thoughts. Anyone else interested?
I would had that I do not want to see a helo rotation for a group collapse
because of my fancy idea. I am prepared to contribute for a return flight as
required.

All fun, he?
Regards
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
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"riverman" wrote in message
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"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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I'm in, yes indeed.

Seeing all the follow-ups with speculations about the exact timetable
of the clave made me a bit unsure of whether the date is already
fixed. Is the main event August 2-10 for sure?

The reason I'm asking this is that the beginning of August is
typically also the time when our group is fishing for salmon in
northern Finland and Norway. They might be flexible, though, so I will
let me know my timetable once it's fixed. (The clave has the highest
priority for me.)



Hmmm, since my schedule seems to be a pivotal point to this entire clave
(too cool, thanks guys), maybe there's a way to get several things
accomplished here. Jarmo; when are the dates of your salmon trip, and
are
you available to do both? I would be very amenable to proposing having
the
Lapland Clave earlier (like the last week in July) so that you and
Vaughan
could come along, if I could join up with you on the Salmon trip
clave...
Would something like having the Lapp clave on July 26-Aug 1, then
driving
north together for the Salmon trip work? I'd be way into doing both, if
it
worked out.

--riverman


You guys.......

There's one more issue here. The cabin, as most of the Saami cabins in the
mountain area, is not normally available to rent.
It took quite a lot of persuasion and no small amount of work in locating
the owners and getting them to agree to rent it to me. Fred was mighty
surprised at the fact that I did get to rent it.
The Swedish government does not allow anyone but the original inhabitants
of
this area, the Saami, to build anything within the area.
This means that cabins like this one is normally impossible to get a hold
of.
Also, while the last week in July would mean even brighter summer nights,
the fishing is normally better in August. As you could see last year the
fishing got better and better during our stay. That high up in the
mountain
it isn't normally as warm water as what you experienced last year and as
such that won't affect fishing all that much.
If possible, try to stick to these dates. Although I myself will probably
be
staying longer in order to fish with the late arriving Vaughan.
We have to arrange for the dates when you want to be picked up by the
helicopter. It will possibly take us three and three or four and four
depending on how many we will be. So if three of us want to get home a day
or two early we have to tell the pilot about this before flying out. The
mobile phone coverage is under all criticism in this area, but once in a
while you can climb a mountain and send an SMS message.

/Roger

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...
Oh joys of being an organiser with over enthusiatic participants - he says
for having tried himself!

Flexible for dates when the group decides. However will need to understand
when the helo flies in and out, even if there are two rotations. Taking
more
than 6 working days holidays will be hard.
Another option that has always appealed to me would be to paddle back by
canoe in that case to Adolfstrom. Sorry Roger if I am throwing another
spanner in the works: do not know whether feasible with rapids, duration
and
logistics with canoes but the thought crossed my mind. Please let me have
your thoughts. Anyone else interested?

Oh mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn...................GBSEG {:-D

--riverman

Now THERE'S a thought....

"Jarmo Hurri" wrote in message
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Long story short: while some of my friends are very punctual, others
have major problems in fixing their timetables - or lack the
willingness to do so. It is most probable that their schedule will
become available very close to the date of departure. It is also
fairly probable that the dates of the trip will overlap the clave.

I, on the other hand, boast on being flexible. :-) Seriously,
personally I prefer to fix the dates early on if possible.

The location I have in mind for the second week is a relatively small
and somewhat isolated river flowing into the Arctic Ocean. The river
contains small salmon (grilse), and presumably also sea-run trout, but
is mostly famous for its sea-run charr. I've never fished this river,
but have heard and read a lot about it. The straw that broke the
camel's back was a discussion I had with a Finnish guy who had been
fishing this river in the last two summers. Hard-fighting sea-run
charr with dries (and nymphs), with the occasional grilse - I decided
that I would really make an effort to visit this river next summer.

The fishing licenses cost much more than in Sweden - something like 27
euros per day. (This is not at all unusual in Norway.) We would be
living in a tent, and we would have to carry a week's supply of food
(something like a five-mile hike).

According to the texts I've seen, the charr run typically begins in
mid-July and lasts until the end of August. The week after the Swedish
clave would probably be better than the week before the clave.


Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like a river I know...this isn't perchance
just southwest of Nordkaap, is it?

--riverman

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Oh joys of being an organiser with over enthusiatic participants - he says
for having tried himself!

Flexible for dates when the group decides. However will need to understand
when the helo flies in and out, even if there are two rotations. Taking
more
than 6 working days holidays will be hard.
Another option that has always appealed to me would be to paddle back by
canoe in that case to Adolfstrom. Sorry Roger if I am throwing another
spanner in the works: do not know whether feasible with rapids, duration
and
logistics with canoes but the thought crossed my mind. Please let me have
your thoughts. Anyone else interested?
I would had that I do not want to see a helo rotation for a group collapse
because of my fancy idea. I am prepared to contribute for a return flight
as
required.

All fun, he?
Regards
Jerome

Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm stretch
just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number, then
you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree then
walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number. Repeat
this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to stop
anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream. Now you
have canoes for the journey back ;-)
Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina to
paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available in
three sets.

Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a week.
More people than you will think that a week is enough.

/Roger