Lapland clave 2004

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm
stretch
just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number, then
you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree then
walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number. Repeat
this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to stop
anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream. Now
you
have canoes for the journey back ;-)
Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina to
paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available in
three sets.

Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a week.
More people than you will think that a week is enough.



Hmm, what about this, then? Rent a canoe, and instead of paddling upstream,
tie it onto the helicopter leg and fly it to the clave. Then, float
downstream, portaging each of the rapids and drop it off at the lodge.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm
stretch
just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number,
then
you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree
then
walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number.
Repeat
this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to stop
anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream. Now
you
have canoes for the journey back ;-)
Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina
to
paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available in
three sets.

Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a
week.
More people than you will think that a week is enough.



Hmm, what about this, then? Rent a canoe, and instead of paddling
upstream,
tie it onto the helicopter leg and fly it to the clave. Then, float
downstream, portaging each of the rapids and drop it off at the lodge.

--riverman


I will humour you on this idea.
I can easily get access to one upto four canadian type canoes and I could
put them on a trailer to have them driven up to Adolfstrom.
As the helicopter needs to fly at least three times with just us ROFFians
and as I plan on staying longer to fish with Vaughan one could end the clave
with a three day downstream (towards the ocean BTW....uh....goddam I still
can't stop laughing about that one) float.
The only problem I see is that thee might be rapids there which you might be
the only one to handle.
Another problem is that I don't know whether the helicopter will take a
canoe, but this I can find out.

/Roger

"riverman" wrote in message
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week in July, I'd be up for doing that on week one and then coming to the
Lapland Clave. Of course, this might be a 'club' thing, and not open to
general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea)
and
join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.

Oh! Myron, this sounds great for me! But you know that I am driving from
Kuopio (remember where it is located?) and via Oulu, Haparanda, ...
I am not using the ferry from Vasa to Umea, because this causes another
100 euros extra cost and takes more time.

So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via Helsinki.

But you definitely are wellcome if you will!

OsmoJ

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general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea)
and
join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.


Works for me. I have plenty of time, and basically no commitments. We could
fish on the way up. It might be of considerable adavantage, it is over
twenty years since I last pitched a tent! Mind you, I seem to remember
pitching the bloody thing quite a long way at the time! Especially when the
icy run-off from Blencathra inveigled its way in to the tent at about 03.00
HRS!

TL
MC

"Osmo Jauhiainen" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"riverman" wrote in message
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week in July, I'd be up for doing that on week one and then coming to
the
Lapland Clave. Of course, this might be a 'club' thing, and not open to
general roustabouts. Otherwise, I'll just fly in to Stockholm (or Umea)
and
join the clave. Or even drive up with Osmo or Mike.

Oh! Myron, this sounds great for me! But you know that I am driving from
Kuopio (remember where it is located?) and via Oulu, Haparanda, ...
I am not using the ferry from Vasa to Umea, because this causes another
100 euros extra cost and takes more time.

So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via Helsinki.

But you definitely are wellcome if you will!

OsmoJ


How about Myron and I driving up to Helsinki, and you show us the rest of
the way?


Doubtless we would find a pub or two, even in the wilderness! Maybe even
a river to fish!
TL
MC

Now what will be really interesting is to try to catch some
charr. Any special tips for this mysterious but delicious fish?

Roger Ah, now there's a question for the masters of this pastime
Roger called fly fishing. As you know I plan to hold a mini clave at
Roger Ransaran creek, this is where you will be measured and judged
Roger ;-)

Yes, I remember this plan very well with great pleasure. :-) Hmm, I
tried to look through my files, but I couldn't find the planned date
for this event. Was it right after midsummer (or before it)? I've got
to secure the home front well ahead.

Anyway, lo and behold, I picked up the newest copy of "Flugfiske i
Norden" today, and found in it an article with title "Röding in
Ransarån". What a coincidence! I can see why the river will be a
really nice place to pay a visit. :-) I don't know how popular the
creek has been so far, but it might very well see quite a few anglers
next year - I guess this type of articles tend to create some
additional activity.

[ Snipped a nice piece of text describing how to catch arctic
charr. Well, it was mostly about how _difficult it is_ to catch these
fish, perhaps best described by the following excerpt. ]

Roger I've seen lb 11 Arctic char feed on Mysis only to duck away
Roger from more than twenty different nymph imitations and streamers
Roger presented by me. Imagine the feeling of seeing such a fish in a
Roger 4 yard wide crystal clear stream, imagine also that you were
Roger able to approach to a point within reach of a cast. Then you
Roger get to see this huge fish ignore everything you can think of.

I've heard this type of stories before, and it immediately reminds me
of salmon fishing. Except that these fish are feeding actively, and
they _still_ ignore your flies. And you can see what they're
doing. What a terrible source of rejection anxiety.

One of the most interesting things I've read about these fish is that
they are very curious, and that characteristic can be used to catch
them. For example, the only way I've ever caught some of these fish
was by tying a small fly with a piece of monofilament behind a
lure. The fish come to see the lure, and then strike the fly. The fly
by itself did not do the trick. I've also heard of people teaming up
so that one guy uses spinning gear to attract the fish and another one
then catches them with fly-fishing gear. In the fear of a mighty blow
from the purist :-) I must immediately add that nothing like this will
take place in our group next year.

The author of the Ransarån article describes similar experiences and
techniques as you did (at one point it even occurred to me that you
might have been the author). There are also a couple of fly
suggestions in the article.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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Exactly what I had in mind: nicely spellt out Mr Riverman!
Could be interesting indeed especially as my experience of going through
rapids in a canoe only stretches as far as a day on Orealven last year
paddling in a river looking more like a lake!

Would you mind enquiring with the helo company, Roger?
Jerome
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Actually, there are canoes to be rented starting from the major calm
stretch
just outside Adolfstrom. It works this way: You pick a canoe number,
then
you paddle upstream to the first rapids. You lock the canoe by a tree
then
walk past the rapids and take the canoe with the exact same number.
Repeat
this until you reach the Clave central, which is where you have to
stop
anyway since the last canoe will have been 2 kilometers downstream.
Now
you
have canoes for the journey back ;-)
Not many choose this way up there, and even less will have the stamina
to
paddle and walk as far as to our Clave central. Canoes are available
in
three sets.

Don't worry about finding companions for the helicopter after say a
week.
More people than you will think that a week is enough.



Hmm, what about this, then? Rent a canoe, and instead of paddling
upstream,
tie it onto the helicopter leg and fly it to the clave. Then, float
downstream, portaging each of the rapids and drop it off at the lodge.

--riverman


I will humour you on this idea.
I can easily get access to one upto four canadian type canoes and I could
put them on a trailer to have them driven up to Adolfstrom.
As the helicopter needs to fly at least three times with just us ROFFians
and as I plan on staying longer to fish with Vaughan one could end the
clave
with a three day downstream (towards the ocean BTW....uh....goddam I still
can't stop laughing about that one) float.
The only problem I see is that thee might be rapids there which you might
be
the only one to handle.
Another problem is that I don't know whether the helicopter will take a
canoe, but this I can find out.

/Roger

riverman Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously like a river I know...this
riverman isn't perchance just southwest of Nordkaap, is it?

With the abundance of rivers that the Norwegians have, I guess quite a
few rivers match my description. The river I'm talking about -
Langfjordelva - is actually east of Nordkapp.

--
Jarmo Hurri

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So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via
Helsinki.

But you definitely are wellcome if you will!

OsmoJ


How about Myron and I driving up to Helsinki, and you show us the rest of
the way?

That would be ok for me! There are direct flights from Helsinki to Kuopio
and
Oulu. From Kuopio to Oulu it takes about 3 hours to drive by car.

Doubtless we would find a pub or two, even in the wilderness! Maybe
even
a river to fish!

Does this mean that we have to reserve one week for driving? Last time when
I
was driving this way to Laisan, I was stopping for 3 to 4 hours by Kiiminki
river
north from Oulu. There are sea-run salmon in this river as well as trout and
grayling.
But this time the water level was so low that I could not get touch with
these.

OsmoJ

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So, if you want to join me, you should fly to Kuopio or Oulu via
Helsinki.

But you definitely are wellcome if you will!

OsmoJ


How about Myron and I driving up to Helsinki, and you show us the rest
of
the way?

That would be ok for me! There are direct flights from Helsinki to Kuopio
and
Oulu. From Kuopio to Oulu it takes about 3 hours to drive by car.

Doubtless we would find a pub or two, even in the wilderness! Maybe
even
a river to fish!

Does this mean that we have to reserve one week for driving? Last time
when
I
was driving this way to Laisan, I was stopping for 3 to 4 hours by
Kiiminki
river
north from Oulu. There are sea-run salmon in this river as well as trout
and
grayling.
But this time the water level was so low that I could not get touch with
these.

OsmoJ



Assuming I make it, and I see no reason why I should not do so at this point
in time, then it is basically immaterial how long it takes, or where we go.
I just have to persuade my neighbour to look after my cat for the time
involved! I will probably drive around a bit, both before and after the
clave, anyway.

Just at the moment, I am considering trading my Pajero in for a diesel
model, as this one uses rather a lot of petrol. If I do this, I will get
the long wheel base model, and fit it up for camping, etc.

Of course, I would need to park the rig somewhere safe while we were
actually claving. It is still really early days. Usually, I am not much in
favour of long term planning for such trips, as something then always seems
to go wrong!

Doubtless we will be discussing this for some time before all plans are
finalised. I am extremely flexible whatever is decided, as I am now de
facto a pensioner. The only real constraint on me, is the cost involved.

TL
MC