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A sleeping bag. Make that a sleeping bag with below zero degrees Celsius
comfort temperature.
A bottom sheet.
An inflatable sleeping mattress.
Waders. Breathables, since we will be hiking to some extent.

I just have to ask, why have an inflatable mattress if you are preparing for
cold weather? I went late season elk hunting with about 18" of snow, and
that night one of our hunters got hypothermia because he was sleeping on an
inflatable mattress. The physician in the group had to drive him into
Pendleton. That mattress allowed the cold to penetrate from the side of the
mattress, where those with the old foam standbys were toasty warm.

Just curious.

rakane at verizon dot net wrote:
A sleeping bag. Make that a sleeping bag with below zero degrees Celsius
comfort temperature.
A bottom sheet.
An inflatable sleeping mattress.
Waders. Breathables, since we will be hiking to some extent.


I just have to ask, why have an inflatable mattress if you are preparing for
cold weather? I went late season elk hunting with about 18" of snow, and
that night one of our hunters got hypothermia because he was sleeping on an
inflatable mattress. The physician in the group had to drive him into
Pendleton. That mattress allowed the cold to penetrate from the side of the
mattress, where those with the old foam standbys were toasty warm.

The self-inflating ThermaRest mattress is the standard among my camping
friends, but I usually make do with a thin closed-cell foam pad. You
couldn't pay me to use an air mattress.

I liked Roger's list, though. One item I'd add is a length of parachute
cord.

You Lapland Clavers would do well, IMO, to pool your camping resources.
It makes poor sense for everyone to bring his own tent and cooking gear,
for example. A good sized tarp that could be used as cover for a common
cooking and eating area would be handy and would add to the sense of
camaraderie. :-)

The most important advice I'd give to campers - especially campers who
are fishing in cold weather -- is to take no cotton clothing. Use only
quick-drying synthetics and wool.

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The most important advice I'd give to campers - especially campers who
are fishing in cold weather -- is to take no cotton clothing. Use only
quick-drying synthetics and wool.

Very good advice.
And cotton is deadly in cold or wet weather. It's heavy, it absorbs water,
and is one of the best transmitters of your body heat to the universe.
Bob

that night one of our hunters got hypothermia because he was sleeping on an
inflatable mattress.

I think there's something missing from this picture. Though usually by
inflatable
one means the inflatable insulated pads even a plain uninsulated air mattress
shouldn't "cause" hypothermia if the hunter had a proper bag. Air does provide
some insulation.
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-- Rob wrote:
that night one of our hunters got hypothermia because he was sleeping on an
inflatable mattress.


I think there's something missing from this picture. Though usually by
inflatable
one means the inflatable insulated pads even a plain uninsulated air mattress
shouldn't "cause" hypothermia if the hunter had a proper bag. Air does provide
some insulation.

Until the inflatable mattress gets a leak. Better add duct tape to the
list. :-)

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Until the inflatable mattress gets a leak. Better add duct tape to the
list. :-)

you mean it wasn't? on a camping trip?
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, rw wrote:

-- Rob wrote:
that night one of our hunters got hypothermia because he was sleeping on an
inflatable mattress.

Any fans of vapor barriers out there in ROFFland?

Mu

Mu writes:

Any fans of vapor barriers out there in ROFFland?

Well, having shared a cabin with wayno four or five times, I can tell you that
I ain't a big fan of his vapors. d;o)
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:29:20 -0500, Mu Young Lee
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, rw wrote:

-- Rob wrote:
that night one of our hunters got hypothermia because he was sleeping on an
inflatable mattress.

Any fans of vapor barriers out there in ROFFland?

Mu
If I winter camped here in MN, I might try one. As it is, I can't see
using one above about 20 to 30 F. Weather that is my absolute limit
for camping and then only by accident.
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Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

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On 21 Dec 2003 04:02:11 GMT, OWAY2it (-- Rob) wrote:


even a plain uninsulated air mattress
shouldn't "cause" hypothermia if the hunter had a proper bag. Air does provide
some insulation.

One moves. This moves the air in the mattress. The cold air at the
bottom and sides moves to where it can touch the bag. They're really
not enough (though some) warmer than the ground beneath them or the
air around them. When I use open cell foam (car camping) or an air
mattress, I use the Thermarest type or a double piece of fleece fabric
between them and my bag unless it's extremely hot out. They are
nicely comfortable, though. I under inflate them so that I'll sink
right in.
--

rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli