ROFF and making friends

Hi all,

As all we see on ROFF are signatures and opinions (sometimes even pictures,
Dave's and rw's web sites). It is kind of nice to meet some of the people on
ROFF.
I've met Vaughan Hurry, Myron Buck, Osmo Jauhiainen, Stefan Rajert and Hans
Bock. I've also introduced a friend of mine to this newsgroup, Erik
Holmlund.
I've had dealings (read: help) from Wolfgang Siebeneich and Paul Morrison
aka RockTrout aka Bouncer, and I've helped Stan Gula with some fly pictures.
A sudden change of economics and rivermans post about "Dreaming of The
Perfect Year..." made me think that I'd like to participate in one of those
big US ROFFian claves.
The question is which one to choose? As far as I'm concerned the fishing
wouldn't be the big issue here. I've got some of the best fishing available
right at home. No, the issue is to meet with as many of you as possible, to
exchange stories about your fishing, ideas on techniques, fly patterns and
to be lied to over more than one glass of single malt ;-).
My written English may be sufficient to express my thoughts and all, but my
practice of speaking English is not by far enough, so there's another reason
to visit.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime fly fisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://www.imsoc.se/angler/ for info on fly
fishing in northern Sweden, Lapland,
or visit http://www.imsoc.se/ffgallery/ , the fly fishermen's gallery.

Roger Ohlund wrote:

... I'd like to participate in one of those
big US ROFFian claves.
The question is which one to choose? ...

I've never attended one, but if I had to pick one US 'Clave to
recommend it would be Penn's. A couple of the western guys usually
show up, some of the Cackalackians, some of the Massachusetts Mafia
and other various and assorted east coasters. The airport at State
College is fairly close to 'Clave Central and the neighborhood has
been invaded by roffians for several years running now so some of
the shock and awe has worn off. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

Fortenberry writes:

I've never attended one, but if I had to pick one US 'Clave to
recommend it would be Penn's.

Good choice. It is by far the largest clave and as Ken says, it attracts folks
from all over the country, even a Canadian or two. If you flew into Boston I
could pick you up and drive you to Penns. If you wanted to camp, I am sure
there are enough folks willing to lend you the necessities. Or, you could
share a cabin with some of the North Cackalackians (who have been known to pack
some pretty nice single malt stuff).
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Fortenberry writes:

I've never attended one, but if I had to pick one US 'Clave to
recommend it would be Penn's.

Good choice. It is by far the largest clave and as Ken says, it attracts
folks
from all over the country, even a Canadian or two. If you flew into
Boston I
could pick you up and drive you to Penns. If you wanted to camp, I am
sure
there are enough folks willing to lend you the necessities. Or, you could
share a cabin with some of the North Cackalackians (who have been known to
pack
some pretty nice single malt stuff).
Dave

Ok, what's the date of this clave?
Who's clave meister? And where's the best place to stay?

/Roger

Roger writes:

Ok, what's the date of this clave?
Who's clave meister? And where's the best place to stay?

Tom Littleton is the clavemeister. I believe the clave is in late May. Best
place to stay: The North Cackalakie Cabin. Jeff Miller usually tries to get
one right on the stream (Cherry Run cabin), but last year we had to use cabins
in town with a short drive to the stream. I don't know who is in charge of
cabin appropriations for the 2004 clave. Jeff?
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Roger writes:

Ok, what's the date of this clave?
Who's clave meister? And where's the best place to stay?

Tom Littleton is the clavemeister. I believe the clave is in late May.
Best
place to stay: The North Cackalakie Cabin. Jeff Miller usually tries to
get
one right on the stream (Cherry Run cabin), but last year we had to use
cabins
in town with a short drive to the stream. I don't know who is in charge
of
cabin appropriations for the 2004 clave. Jeff?
Dave


Dave,

I will try to get to the US for the Penns clave.
God knows I can afford it, and if everything works out with the rest
of the family I will go there.
This Tom Littleton, how can I get in contact with him?
Is there any web site that I can find info on the accomodations, river and
permit cost?

/Roger
I'll start research on the travel arrangements.

indian joe and i have reserved the cherry run cabin for may 16-22... i
sent notes to the usual suspects who might be interested. didn't send a
note to you dave because you indicated in several early posts you
weren't going. i offered to cover warren's and dan'l's and i think
willi's share if they decided to attend and wanted a roof instead of
tent. haven't heard from them confirming anything yet, though warren
said he and lou t might stay. no one else has responded... don't know
wayno's or pj's plans. wally and tom brown said they aren't going this
year. indian joe has the big bedroom. i have the one next to it.
there is another very small bedroom upstairs, several beds (4?) in the
basement, and 2 couches. plus, a big yard for anyone who wants to camp.

the good thing about the cabin is its location by the stream and some
prime fishing, as well as access to the sportsman's club; the bad thing
is the distance from the group in the campground and the milheim bars.

tom littleton, mike makela, vince norris, and dave PA are the local
experts on the stream. the feathered hook flyshop in coburn is a good
resource too.

roger, penns is by far the largest gathering i've been to in the states.
you'll enjoy it, and meet a good sampling of the lunatics. the fishing
is fun too... as long as it doesn't rain. a fascinating part of this
world, shared with a good crowd of folks in pursuit of the great
mystery. hope you can make it...

jeff

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Roger writes:


Ok, what's the date of this clave?
Who's clave meister? And where's the best place to stay?


Tom Littleton is the clavemeister. I believe the clave is in late May. Best
place to stay: The North Cackalakie Cabin. Jeff Miller usually tries to get
one right on the stream (Cherry Run cabin), but last year we had to use cabins
in town with a short drive to the stream. I don't know who is in charge of
cabin appropriations for the 2004 clave. Jeff?
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

Roger asks of the Penn's Clave:

Ok, what's the date of this clave?

May 16-22, or thereabouts in 2004
(folks have been known to invade the area
for as long as 10 days straight)

Who's clave meister?

That might be me.....unless someone objects. At any rate, this loony gathering
was instigated by myself. At this stage, I merely let the now-experienced
ROFFians run amok as they see fit.

And where's the best place to stay?

That would depend on your tastes, but a quick rundown of the selection would
include:
Clave Central(Hemlock Acres Campground
....in Coburn, PA). Camping via tents in a large meadow area with other clavers
offers a unique experience. Weather has been widely variable, pushing said
experience towards Woodstock, to offer a rough idea.
There are three cabins on the grounds as well, I know we can lock up at least
the two smallest, and may be able to reserve the third. They hold 2,4 and 6
persons, and are pretty basic shelter.

Off site--Millheim Hotel, about 5 miles from
the campground. Basic hotel room, cheap.

Feathered Hook Bed and Breakfast, in
Coburn. Guide service available, breakfast
each morning, close to camp. Can walk to the two best creeks. Fly shop on
premises.

Whatever plush cabin(s) the North Carolina crowd lays claim to. Generally, the
best accomodations at the clave. Bring your own alcoholic beverages, they are
don't drink at all, and turn in earlyg.

No doubt, since you would be by far the furthest-travelling Clave attendee, we
can find room for you in the Clave Central trailer, a 32 foot long fishing camp
occupied by Mr. Mike Shaw and Myself.
We snore a bit, and fish a bit more, but could provide a dry spot for you in a
pinch.

Tom

I'd like to participate in one of those
big US ROFFian claves.
The question is which one to choose?

Well, not to denigrate the western clave, but the Penns clave is
probably a bit larger. Many of us speak binary, so we can use that as a
intermediate language. The accommodations are from covered hammocks and
tents to nicely outfitted cabins (that are really just fully-furnished
houses for rent). Also, we've yet to have a heart attack when the final
bill came (sorry Dave S., just had to say it). We have awards, prizes,
a really nice fly shop, everything from little brook trout creeks to big
brown trout rivers (both the water and the trout are big), and all the
bad scotch you can steal from Seidman's tent. Heck, we even have
pickled asparagus. The eastern US may be a bit cheaper to get to.
Penns isn't as storied as some of those western rivers, but I've found
that people will write more about a trip involving serious depredations
(bears, mountain lions, strange rangers) than they will about a trip
where they just caught fish all day, ate fine meals and slept soundly
all night.
Frank Reid

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
some snippage has occured...

made me think that I'd like to participate in one of those
big US ROFFian claves.

Dammit Roger! I had figured you for a much more intelligent european type
person, so much for my judgement calls?

Nevertheless, I too want to attend one of them big U.S. 'claves (that would
put you on par intellectually with me :~^( ). I was thinkin' of doin' a
western 'clave this comin' year, as I don't know if I will have the time
save by May to do the Penns. Whatever your decision may be, remember ya got
a free place to stay in NC, whenever and whatever you decide!

Op --I sure hope everyone I have made this same offer to doesn't show up on
the same day!--

/ Roger