The politics of nature

"Sportsmen Against Bush" wrote

I consider myself very moderate and have voted in one election or another
for members of both major parties, two minor ones, and an "independant"

That said, I find "the current administration" to be THE biggest threat to
America, as I was taught to believe in it, at nearly all levels, since the
late 60s, early 70's

However, I'd suggest that to be more effective you drop the "against Bush"
and instead take a "for Something" approach .... everytime you say the man's
name you unconsciously give him air time, for one thing. They have
available, and are expert at using, a huge negative, fear, to
jerk the strings of "knee jerk" voters. Finding stronger negatives would
be difficult, so beating them at the negative game is unlikely.

The hope for administration change lies in the "non knee jerk" segment. And
lies in getting more of that segment to remember and think about what they
want America TO
be, not what they fear ... imho

Larry L wrote:
...
The hope for administration change lies in the "non knee jerk" segment. And
lies in getting more of that segment to remember and think about what they
want America TO
be, not what they fear ... imho

Well said, Larry.

Of those people of voting age in the US, 20% will always vote Dem,
20% will always vote Repub, and 50% won't vote at all. The remaining
10% of the voting age people are the so-called "swing voters" and
they drift in and out of the non-voting demographic.

Soccer moms, NASCAR dads, dumb**** rednecks, who the hell knows what
the "swing voter" will be this time around. I hope the "swing voter"
cares about the environment, outdoor issues, the growing gap between
the mega-rich and the working poor, the huge bill we're handing our
grandkids to pay for the economic folly of the smirking chimp, and
knows that Saddam Hussein didn't mastermind 9/11.

But I wouldn't bet on it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:

...
The hope for administration change lies in the "non knee jerk"
segment. And
lies in getting more of that segment to remember and think about what they
want America TO
be, not what they fear ... imho


Well said, Larry.

Of those people of voting age in the US, 20% will always vote Dem,
20% will always vote Repub, and 50% won't vote at all. The remaining
10% of the voting age people are the so-called "swing voters" and
they drift in and out of the non-voting demographic.

And a small percentage will vote Green, in a futile, dumb**** "protest"
that hands victory to the party they LEAST want to see in power.

Soccer moms, NASCAR dads, dumb**** rednecks, who the hell knows what
the "swing voter" will be this time around. I hope the "swing voter"
cares about the environment, outdoor issues, the growing gap between
the mega-rich and the working poor, the huge bill we're handing our
grandkids to pay for the economic folly of the smirking chimp, and
knows that Saddam Hussein didn't mastermind 9/11.

... and votes for someone like Al Gore (or Howard Dean, or virtually any
Democrat), instead of making an egotistical, feel-good gesture that
subverts the larger purpose.

When I look at what the current administration is doing, I think that
Ralph Nader and his supporters have a lot to answer for.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote

.. and votes for someone like Al Gore (or Howard Dean, or virtually any
Democrat), instead of making an egotistical, feel-good gesture that
subverts the larger purpose.

When I look at what the current administration is doing, I think that
Ralph Nader and his supporters have a lot to answer for.


good point ... my votes for "oddballs" have all been in local offices ....
but still wasted in that sense

although I think "getting people thinking" depends on focusing them on what
the want, not fear, I nonetheless feel that in a choice of evils.... the
current evil is far too evil ...... and we must vote for a lesser one, a
lesser one with hope of winning

"Larry L" wrote in message
...

"rw" wrote

.. and votes for someone like Al Gore (or Howard Dean, or virtually any
Democrat), instead of making an egotistical, feel-good gesture that
subverts the larger purpose.

When I look at what the current administration is doing, I think that
Ralph Nader and his supporters have a lot to answer for.


good point ... my votes for "oddballs" have all been in local offices ....
but still wasted in that sense

If you feel, now, that you wasted a vote, then, I suggest that you just quit
votin'. Maybe then you'll feel better about yourself!

although I think "getting people thinking" depends on focusing them on
what
the want, not fear, I nonetheless feel that in a choice of evils.... the
current evil is far too evil ...... and we must vote for a lesser one, a
lesser one with hope of winning

Your vote doesn't have to count for ****, if it satisfies your conscience.

Op

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:49:02 -0500, "Guyz-N-Flyz"
wrote:
If you feel, now, that you wasted a vote, then, I suggest that you just quit
votin'. Maybe then you'll feel better about yourself!

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/sto...LATE=DEFA ULT

/daytripper (This is not the country I was raised in. I want MY country back.)

"daytripper" wrote in message
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http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/sto...LATE=DEFA ULT

"The FBI noted that use of almanacs or maps may be innocent, 'the product of
legitimate recreational or commercial activities.' "

Hm.....I dunno.....every time I'm in downtown Chicago and some swarthy
individual with a thick Arabic accent holding an almanac asks me how he
might find a tall building, please, it sets my antennae to wiggling
something fierce.

"But it warned that when combined with suspicious behavior - such as
apparent surveillance - a person with an almanac 'may point to possible
terrorist planning.'"

God help us all when the feebs find out about DeLorme.

/daytripper (This is not the country I was raised in. I want MY country
back.)

Well, that's what you get for wasting your vote.

Wolfgang
who would be content to find his way back to his home planet.

rw wrote in
m:


When I look at what the current administration is doing, I think that
Ralph Nader and his supporters have a lot to answer for.


There's noone to blame for the last election except the Gore team and the
Democratic Party. Alternatives are what maked elections in this country
great. It's not a weakness.

Scott

Scott writes:
There's noone to blame for the last election except the Gore team and the
Democratic Party. Alternatives are what maked elections in this country
great. It's not a weakness.

Yeah, but politics is ultimately about what the end result gets you
policy-wise. The Greens failed to forsee this part, and the Dems failed to
impress it upon anyone.
Enough screwups to go around....note that Nader quickly refused another run,
what the Greens do this time will be interesting.
Tom

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
rw wrote in
m:


When I look at what the current administration is doing, I think that
Ralph Nader and his supporters have a lot to answer for.


There's noone to blame for the last election except the Gore team and the
Democratic Party. Alternatives are what maked elections in this country
great. It's not a weakness.

Scott

Thank goodness, finally, an honest individual!

Op