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John Hightower wrote:

"slenon" wrote in message
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Op:

Not that Warren's intent isn't good, but I would avoid *any*

chiropractic

services, before you have an MRI done.

I whole-heartedly support Op's position. Over the years, in many

hospitals,

I've seen lots of patients come in with damage caused by chiropractors
plying their trade on patients who needed intervention by a surgeon or an
internist.

If chiropractic works for any of you, well and good. For me, it ranks

right

down there with faith healing and wearing crystals.

I'll omit the horror stories I've amassed along the way but I can provide
them, minus names, to the interested. Bottom line, avoid chiropractors

like

plague.

--

My wife is an ortho nurse- says the same thing -avoid chiropractors like the
plague. One of her favorite comments is the famous " I love my
chiropractor- I go see him once a week and feel so much better" line. duh -
maybe a real doctor could actually fix the prob. instead of generating a
consistent weekly income.

jh



Several years ago, I found myself in the unfortunate circumstance of
presenting myself at the Duke Emergency Room (spiked temp and muscle
tremors). While I was being examined/treated by the bizarre case
specialist, an ambulance delivered a patient to the adjacent exam area. The
patient was...well, dead. He'd come from a chiropractor's office and I
later learned that the cause of death was determined to be an infarction of
the brain stem, resulting from chiropractic "manipulation" of the patient's
neck. The story made the local paper, but only for one day.


My business partner followed the recommendation of a family member for
treatment of a sore hip and the chiropractor suggested a "cold laser"
treatment. He then produced a blue LED pointer and began to "lase" the
affected area without removing Mike's trousers. When Mike asked just what
the hell he was doing and asked about the power/wavelength of the "laser"
the chiropractor unceremoniously ushered him to the door.

Somehow, I think of chiropractors and "soylant green", concurrently.

Tom

"Tom puppethead gang" wrote in message
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John Hightower wrote:

"slenon" wrote in message
. com...

Op:

Not that Warren's intent isn't good, but I would avoid *any*

chiropractic

services, before you have an MRI done.

I whole-heartedly support Op's position. Over the years, in many

hospitals,

I've seen lots of patients come in with damage caused by chiropractors
plying their trade on patients who needed intervention by a surgeon or
an
internist.

If chiropractic works for any of you, well and good. For me, it ranks

right

down there with faith healing and wearing crystals.

I'll omit the horror stories I've amassed along the way but I can
provide
them, minus names, to the interested. Bottom line, avoid chiropractors

like

plague.

--

My wife is an ortho nurse- says the same thing -avoid chiropractors like
the
plague. One of her favorite comments is the famous " I love my
chiropractor- I go see him once a week and feel so much better" line.
duh -
maybe a real doctor could actually fix the prob. instead of generating a
consistent weekly income.

jh



Several years ago, I found myself in the unfortunate circumstance of
presenting myself at the Duke Emergency Room (spiked temp and muscle
tremors). While I was being examined/treated by the bizarre case
specialist, an ambulance delivered a patient to the adjacent exam area.
The
patient was...well, dead. He'd come from a chiropractor's office and I
later learned that the cause of death was determined to be an infarction
of
the brain stem, resulting from chiropractic "manipulation" of the
patient's
neck. The story made the local paper, but only for one day.

I saw a dead guy in a hospital morgue about six months ago. He'd come
from......well, the emergency room. Go figure.

My business partner followed the recommendation of a family member for
treatment of a sore hip and the chiropractor suggested a "cold laser"
treatment. He then produced a blue LED pointer and began to "lase" the
affected area without removing Mike's trousers. When Mike asked just what
the hell he was doing and asked about the power/wavelength of the "laser"
the chiropractor unceremoniously ushered him to the door.

Sounds like your partner saw a quack. Sounds like your partner has family
problems.

Roughly a year and a half ago Becky's dog, Cullen (who is sitting beside me
as I type) had an accident. He slipped while running on wet grass and hurt
his back badly enough that his back legs were immediately paralyzed. Becky
carried him to the car and drove him immediately to a fully accredited
veterinary clinic with a highly thought of staff.....same place she had been
taking him for years. The vet palpated his back, drew some blood, felt his
legs, blah, blah. Didn't take any x-rays, though....said that under the
circumstances (whatever he thought them to be.....that was never quite
explained to me or to Becky) it was pointless; the x-rays wouldn't tell us
anything worthwhile. Hey, you trust your doctors, right?

Becky carried Cullen's ass end in a sling for the next three weeks. His
left rear leg slowly regained enough strength and control so that he could
put some weight on it and almost stand by himself but the vet was getting
ready to amputate the right.About that time, a friend recommended that she
take Cullen to a vet clinic in Sturdevant where they take a holistic
approach to animal care. Becky figures what the hell.....nothing much to
lose. She takes Cullen to the doggie chiropractor/accupuncturist who starts
the examination by asking to see the x-rays. The by now angry
chiropractor/accupuncturist sends Cullen off to the x-ray room. After
examining the x-rays he gives Becky the diagnosis and recommends a course of
treatment. She agrees. He grabs Cullen, bends him this way and that,
scrunches him and and stretches him out.....etc. He then proceeds to stick
a couple dozen needles in the dog, who lies there smiling.

The next day, Cullen stood on his own for the first time since the accident.
He was walking, albeit hesitantly and only very briefly within a few more
days. He goes back to the bone crunching voodoo herbalist witch doctor
every two to three months now, and can't wait to get in the door. Dogs are
SO ****ing credulous.

Oh, and he ran my sorry ass ragged about an hour ago.

Somehow, I think of chiropractors and "soylant green", concurrently.

You should quit smoking nylon.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Personally, I have nothin' against 'practors, but I have had other
experiences with them that didn't instill a great deal of confidence toward
them. I had that blasphemous ATV roll-over on me sometime back. It seems
to have done some damage to my ribs and back at the time, but nothin' that
appears to be permanent. I was directed to a local medical office for care.
Well lo-and-behold, this medical office was a front, yes a front! for a
chriropractors service. I was never told that the so-called doctor was not
a medical doctor, untill after he had placed me face down on a funny lookin'
table and manipulated my back, neck and legs. I asked about medications,
and he said that the *real* doctor came in on Wed. to perscribe meds.

It was a set-up. I continued to go for a few more sessions, hopin' to get
some relief, but the only relief I gained from the experience was thru the
meds. The ultra-sound seemed to warm my mucsles for a short time, but gave
no lastin relief. Eventually, I got
better.................................PHYSICALLY!

Op --nowhere on the sinage did it advertise anything but MEDICAL services.
Not quite cricket, if ya ask me!--

Wolfgang

Wolfgang:
The next day, Cullen stood on his own for the first time since the
accident.
He was walking, albeit hesitantly and only very briefly within a few more
days. He goes back to the bone crunching voodoo herbalist witch doctor
every two to three months now, and can't wait to get in the door. Dogs are
SO ****ing credulous.

IMO, your tale only proves that not all vets pratice at the same level of
aggression with respect to trauma. However, I'm glad that the dog
recovered. As I said, to me chiropractic equates to new age voodoo stirred
with shamanism. If it works for someone else, so be it. I will not address
a chiropractor as "Dr." nor trust any member of my family to such therapy.

To paraphrase, it is amazing how many people who visit chiropractors are
cured the day their insurance benefits expire.

YMMV.
--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

"slenon" wrote in message
om...
Wolfgang:
The next day, Cullen stood on his own for the first time since the
accident.
He was walking, albeit hesitantly and only very briefly within a few more
days. He goes back to the bone crunching voodoo herbalist witch doctor
every two to three months now, and can't wait to get in the door. Dogs
are
SO ****ing credulous.

IMO, your tale only proves that not all vets pratice at the same level of
aggression with respect to trauma.

Actually, it also demonstrates that one anecdote is pretty much as good as
another. Moreover, in my experience, first hand anecdotes are
overwhelmingly positive. Aside from what I've read here on ROFF, I have
NEVER heard anyone relate a personal chiropractic horror story. It is
neither odd nor surprising that it is typically when one gets the story at
third or fourth hand that some poor ******* has been broken in half and
somebody lost the parts......that's the way horror stories grow. Also
interesting is the fact that most such stories are attributed, in their
original form, to someone at the periphery of the medical professions. Not
doctors, mind you (someone would remember a doctor's name, and he or she
could theoretically be tracked down......and there ARE libel laws), but
someone's sister in law who happens to be a surgical nurse or blah, blah.

However, I'm glad that the dog recovered.

So am I. So is Becky. So is the voodoo witch doctor. So, presumably, is
Cullen.

As I said, to me chiropractic equates to new age voodoo stirred
with shamanism.

Hm.....sort of like carving off a piece of yourself to appease the spirits
and flaunting the stump.....that the sort of thing, you mean?

If it works for someone else, so be it.

So let it be written.

I will not address
a chiropractor as "Dr." nor trust any member of my family to such therapy.

One suspects that a good few of them wouldn't much give a **** if you
addressed them at all. Do you decide for your family whom they will
marry.....where they take their cars for repairs.....what they will have for
supper?

To paraphrase, it is amazing how many people who visit chiropractors are
cured the day their insurance benefits expire.

People without insurance can often get in to see a chiropractor.....and get
some relief.....for twenty or thirty bucks. Most doctors wouldn't **** on
them if they were on fire for that kind of money.

YMMV.

Yeah, that'll happen to thinking people.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang:
I have NEVER heard anyone relate a personal chiropractic horror story.

I can cite locations, offending practitioner, and the whole litany in
private. I will not do so on a public forum as I previously indicated. One
reason for you not having heard many or any first-hand stories is that often
the patient doesn't recognize that they have been mistreated and the
physicians who clean up the mess won't tell them that their problem is now
iatrogenic because of those libel laws.

If you believe in chiropractic, may you have a long and profitable
relationship with one or many. But I suggest you take the theory of spinal
subluxations to a neurosurgeon for his opinion of "spinal manipulation."

Do you decide for your family whom they will
marry.....where they take their cars for repairs.....what they will have
for supper?

If I'm cooking, yes, the decision about supper is mine.

People without insurance can often get in to see a chiropractor.....and get
some relief.....for twenty or thirty bucks. Most doctors wouldn't **** on
them if they were on fire for that kind of money.

That may well have to do with the fact that many DC's are IMO even more
money hungry than MD's.



--
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

"slenon" wrote in message
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Wolfgang:
I have NEVER heard anyone relate a personal chiropractic horror
story.

I can cite locations, offending practitioner, and the whole litany
in
private. I will not do so on a public forum as I previously
indicated.

O.k., send 'em along. Please include names, phone numbers and email
addresses of victims and offending practitioners. It would also be
helpful to know which victims and offenders go together.

One
reason for you not having heard many or any first-hand stories is
that often
the patient doesn't recognize that they have been mistreated and the
physicians who clean up the mess won't tell them that their problem
is now
iatrogenic because of those libel laws.

So, we got God knows how many thousands of these mescreants maiming
untold millions of people all over the Western world, and there ain't
goddmaned thing anybody can do about it. huh? Well, how remarkably
convenient for them.

If you believe in chiropractic,

Believe in? What does that mean?

may you have a long and profitable
relationship with one or many.

So far as I can recall, I have never spoken to or had any other sort
of communication with a chiropractor. However, I like the idea of
making a profit. If it's not too much trouble, could you please tell
me how you would go about getting money from them? Seems to me it
might be kinda hard if one dare not even speak their names (or even,
presumably, portions thereof) in public.

But I suggest you take the theory of spinal
subluxations to a neurosurgeon for his opinion of "spinal
manipulation."

A neurosurgeon.....hm.....sounds like an idea. And where would a boy
find one of those?

Do you decide for your family whom they will
marry.....where they take their cars for repairs.....what they will
have
for supper?

If I'm cooking, yes, the decision about supper is mine.

Well, be sure to wash your head before handling foodstuffs........we
know where it's been, don't we?

People without insurance can often get in to see a
chiropractor.....and get
some relief.....for twenty or thirty bucks. Most doctors wouldn't
**** on
them if they were on fire for that kind of money.

That may well have to do with the fact that many DC's are IMO even
more
money hungry than MD's.

Uh huh, and you've certainly demonstrated the value of your opinions.


Wolfgang
who eagerly awaits the promised information.

"Wolfgang" wrote...
snip
Well, be sure to wash your head before handling foodstuffs........we
know where it's been, don't we?

Is that copyrighted?
--
TL,
Tim
------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

lid wrote...
To paraphrase, it is amazing how many people who visit chiropractors are
cured the day their insurance benefits expire.

Even more amazing how many people don't get to visit the doctor
because they can't afford to or don't have insurance.....
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
For Conclave Info:
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You must be a liberal Warren, Perhaps we can get Strider to splain to you
that the natural order of things is to let these people die because there
economic underachievers and it's god way of getting them out of the gene
pool %^)
"Warren" wrote in message
...
lid wrote...
To paraphrase, it is amazing how many people who visit chiropractors are
cured the day their insurance benefits expire.

Even more amazing how many people don't get to visit the doctor
because they can't afford to or don't have insurance.....
--
Warren
(use troutbum_mt (at) yahoo to reply via email)
For Conclave Info:
http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt...nConclave.html