ROFF and making friends

In article , Greg Pavlov
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:34:52 -0700, Willi wrote:


I now do take a regiment of supplements. Hard to tell if they're
working, but for one, I've never had any trouble with my back.

I believe that many back problems originate from
atrophy of muscles through lack of exercise, etc,
plus too much poundage. My back stands up much
better to a long day of casting when I've been
working out (something I should do a lot more of...)

A couple of years ago I was having a lot of lower back pain after
fishing for several hours. I threw some reverse crunches (about three
sets of 15 ) in my workout three time a week and after a month or so no
more problems. Of course getting a six pack on the front where my keg
is now is another issue entirely!
Allen

"Tim J." wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote...
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Well, be sure to wash your head before handling
foodstuffs........we
know where it's been, don't we?

Is that copyrighted?

Not to the best of my knowledge.

Wolfgang

"Willi" wrote in message
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Susan is a strong believer in holistic medicine. I was very
skeptical
until I started to see results in our dogs. I don't think there can
be a
placebo effective with dogs and if there are results, I think it's
fairly clear that they are do to the intervention. I've seen certain
herbal, vitamin, accupressure and chiropractic procedures result in
SIGNIFICANT changes with some types of problems.

Despite Cullen's remarkable recovery I believe that testimonial
evidence alone is not enough to be conclusive. However, rejecting it
out of hand is every bit as stupid as swallowing it whole. The spinal
column is horribly complex (as is every other system in living
organisms) and is not a thing to be ****ed with lightly. Personally,
if I had a serious back problem I'd want to do a whole lot more
research before I'd let a chiropractor......or a surgeon.....touch it.

On the whole, I remain much more impressed by herbal remedies,
accupuncture, and other non-invasive and non-brutal therapies. I
don't know how good their cure rates are....though there can be no
doubt that they DO effect some cures....but at the very least, you can
rest assured that none of them will sever your spinal cord while
you're waiting and trying to figure out which arrogant fool you will
eventually have to trust your life to.

I now do take a regiment of supplements. Hard to tell if they're
working, but for one, I've never had any trouble with my back.

Cigarettes and beer have done it for me. Unorthodox, to be sure, but
a boy's gotta be an ungrateful idiot to argue with a successful
regimen.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in news:btf5lc$6fqtg$1@ID-
205717.news.uni-berlin.de:

Despite Cullen's remarkable recovery I believe that testimonial
evidence alone is not enough to be conclusive. However, rejecting it
out of hand is every bit as stupid as swallowing it whole. The spinal
column is horribly complex (as is every other system in living
organisms) and is not a thing to be ****ed with lightly. Personally,
if I had a serious back problem I'd want to do a whole lot more
research before I'd let a chiropractor......or a surgeon.....touch it.



Very recently published studies have shown that spinal fusions are not as
efficacious as laminectomies, and both are not much more successful at
resolving back pain than therapy.

Scott

Greg Pavlov wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:34:52 -0700, Willi wrote:


I now do take a regiment of supplements. Hard to tell if they're
working, but for one, I've never had any trouble with my back.


I believe that many back problems originate from
atrophy of muscles through lack of exercise, etc,
plus too much poundage. My back stands up much
better to a long day of casting when I've been
working out (something I should do a lot more of...)

I can chop wood or ski or shovel snow for hours, but after a few hours
of fishing my upper back starts killing me (muscular pain around my
shoulder blades). I think it's caused by a combination of two things.

First, carrying all my gear in a vest gets uncomfortable, no matter how
careful I am to balance and lighten the load. I've been considering
trying a chest pack, even though I think they look dorky. I look dorky
enough as it is.

Second, I tend to get tense when I fish, with my shoulders hunched over
while I'm staring intensely at my dry fly or indicator. When I notice
myself doing this and then relax the pain goes away, but a few casts
later I'm right back at it.

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rw wrote:
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Second, I tend to get tense when I fish, with my shoulders hunched over
while I'm staring intensely at my dry fly or indicator. When I notice
myself doing this and then relax the pain goes away, but a few casts
later I'm right back at it.

You're just not cut out to be an outdoorsman. Denial is not a river
in Egypt, dearie. Why don't you take up something more in tune with
your nature, like interior decorating or hair dressing.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Scott Seidman wrote:

Very recently published studies have shown that spinal fusions are not as
efficacious as laminectomies, and both are not much more successful at
resolving back pain than therapy.

As someone who has had both a laminectomy and a fusion (in my neck), my
experience is very different. I first had the laminectomy because
"fusion" sounded too extreme (I feared walking around like
Frankenstein), even though my surgeon told me the problem would probably
reoccur. It did, a few years later, and big time. I then had a fusion of
three vertebrae (same surgeon) and it completely took care of the
problem up to this time. The decreased flexibility in my neck is not
nearly as bad as I feared. The fusion might be contributing to my
upper-back problems while fishing (described in another post), but at
least I don't have constant, excruciating pain in my arm and atrophied
muscles.

The recuperation from the fusion was a bitch, though.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

rw wrote:

... Second, I tend to get tense when I fish, with my shoulders hunched
over while I'm staring intensely at my dry fly or indicator. When I
notice myself doing this and then relax the pain goes away, but a few
casts later I'm right back at it.


You're just not cut out to be an outdoorsman. Denial is not a river
in Egypt, dearie. Why don't you take up something more in tune with
your nature, like interior decorating or hair dressing.


Gee, that would suck. Would I have to move to Illinois, too?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:

You're just not cut out to be an outdoorsman. Denial is not a river
in Egypt, dearie. Why don't you take up something more in tune with
your nature, like interior decorating or hair dressing.

Gee, that would suck. Would I have to move to Illinois, too?

I hear some do it that way. No, sweetie, the Bay Area is PERFECT.

--
Ken Fortenberry

rw wrote in
m:

Scott Seidman wrote:

Very recently published studies have shown that spinal fusions are
not as efficacious as laminectomies, and both are not much more
successful at resolving back pain than therapy.

As someone who has had both a laminectomy and a fusion (in my neck),
my experience is very different. I first had the laminectomy because
"fusion" sounded too extreme (I feared walking around like
Frankenstein), even though my surgeon told me the problem would
probably reoccur. It did, a few years later, and big time. I then had
a fusion of three vertebrae (same surgeon) and it completely took care
of the problem up to this time. The decreased flexibility in my neck
is not nearly as bad as I feared. The fusion might be contributing to
my upper-back problems while fishing (described in another post), but
at least I don't have constant, excruciating pain in my arm and
atrophied muscles.

The recuperation from the fusion was a bitch, though.


I just checked, and my memory was slightly off, even though I only read the
article a few days ago (my memory really sucks lately). I overstated the
finding about neither being much better than therapy, but the article did
say that experts feel some patients would be better off without surgery.

Check out the article-- interesting stuff
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/31/bu...l?pagewanted=1

Basically, it suggests that fusion is carried out more often than
laminectomy because insurance reimbursement is more generous for that
procedure. Also, the biggest maker of spinal fusion hardware is being
investigated for kickbacks to surgeons.

Personally, I think that both procedures might be obsoleted by disc
prosthetics, or possibly some tissue engineering of the discs, in the next
two or three decades.

Scott