benefits of antron?

Wayne Knight wrote:

"Stan Gula" wrote in message
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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
Polypro doesn't absorb water (in my experience). A friend has turned me
on
to turkey flats for posts and while those do suck up water, I've found
it's
not a problem if you give the post a good shot of head cement and grease
it
up.

The best in terms of floatation might be a thin strip of 2mm closed cell
foam. I've experimented with two strips (orange and white) which is
really
easy to see. This gives me a good idea for a swap fly...


Polypro, closed cell foam.....sheesh don't you guys ever tie a parachute fly
the way God intended, good old fashioned animal hair?

Calfs tail works pretty well, but I guess people are getting to lay to stack
hairs. I use most
methods mentioned but most of the time its either polypro or t-base depending
on size and
how slim I want the body.

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:55:23 -0800, Svend Tang-Petersen
wrote:

Wayne Knight wrote:

"Stan Gula" wrote in message
...
"Peter Charles" wrote in message
Polypro doesn't absorb water (in my experience). A friend has turned me
on
to turkey flats for posts and while those do suck up water, I've found
it's
not a problem if you give the post a good shot of head cement and grease
it
up.

The best in terms of floatation might be a thin strip of 2mm closed cell
foam. I've experimented with two strips (orange and white) which is
really
easy to see. This gives me a good idea for a swap fly...


Polypro, closed cell foam.....sheesh don't you guys ever tie a parachute fly
the way God intended, good old fashioned animal hair?

Calfs tail works pretty well, but I guess people are getting to lay to stack
hairs. I use most
methods mentioned but most of the time its either polypro or t-base depending
on size and
how slim I want the body.


I used to use calftail on some of my earliest parachute ties but I
went away from it as I thought it too heavy for posts -- that and the
bulk. Did you find that your calftail equipped flies rode OK? Also,
did you stack and tie in, leaving the post untrimmed, or trim it off
square?

Peter

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"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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I used to use calftail on some of my earliest parachute ties but I
went away from it as I thought it too heavy for posts -- that and the
bulk. Did you find that your calftail equipped flies rode OK? Also,
did you stack and tie in, leaving the post untrimmed, or trim it off
square?


Rode fine, clip it off square

I stack the hair first, but it takes longer than deer hair since its lighter and less
straight. I rarely trimm
the post, except for lifting the excess at a 45 degree angle and the cutting parallel
with the shank. That
leaves a the excess on the shank tapered. Sometimes (especially if its a biot body) Ill
add some dugging
to smoothen out the body taper.

But as someone mentioned if I want a really thin body I dont use hair.

And I havent noticed any significant differences in flotation etc.

Peter Charles wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:55:23 -0800, Svend Tang-Petersen
wrote:

Wayne Knight wrote:

"Stan Gula" wrote in message
...
"Peter Charles" wrote in message
Polypro doesn't absorb water (in my experience). A friend has turned me
on
to turkey flats for posts and while those do suck up water, I've found
it's
not a problem if you give the post a good shot of head cement and grease
it
up.

The best in terms of floatation might be a thin strip of 2mm closed cell
foam. I've experimented with two strips (orange and white) which is
really
easy to see. This gives me a good idea for a swap fly...


Polypro, closed cell foam.....sheesh don't you guys ever tie a parachute fly
the way God intended, good old fashioned animal hair?

Calfs tail works pretty well, but I guess people are getting to lay to stack
hairs. I use most
methods mentioned but most of the time its either polypro or t-base depending
on size and
how slim I want the body.

I used to use calftail on some of my earliest parachute ties but I
went away from it as I thought it too heavy for posts -- that and the
bulk. Did you find that your calftail equipped flies rode OK? Also,
did you stack and tie in, leaving the post untrimmed, or trim it off
square?

Peter

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Svend Tang-Petersen wrote in message ...

Calfs tail works pretty well, but I guess people are getting to lay to stack
hairs. I use most
methods mentioned but most of the time its either polypro or t-base depending
on size and
how slim I want the body.

FWIW, I started tying parachutes with calf-tail, but found it tough
to keep the bodies thin enough. Then I picked up a little trick y'all
might all know about, but here goes: I take a bunch of polypro that's
half as thick as the post I want. I tie it on from the top, but let
the tying thread rotate it under the hook. A couple of figure-eight
wraps so it's perpendicular to the shank and then I pull the two ends
up and wrap them together to make the post.

This gives me a little bulge on the bottom right at the tie-in
point/thorax, but I don't have any extra bulk going back towards the
bend. I usually add a couple of drops of head-cement at the bottom of
the post to help make sure it can't rotate around the hook.


Chuck Vance

"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
FWIW, I started tying parachutes with calf-tail, but found it tough
to keep the bodies thin enough. Then I picked up a little trick y'all
might all know about, but here goes: I take a bunch of polypro that's
half as thick as the post I want. I tie it on from the top, but let
the tying thread rotate it under the hook. A couple of figure-eight
wraps so it's perpendicular to the shank and then I pull the two ends
up and wrap them together to make the post.

I've never tied parachutes, so I'm not asking from experience; but why can't
you do the same figure eight thing on top of the hook without wrapping it
under?

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
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"Conan the Librarian" wrote in message
FWIW, I started tying parachutes with calf-tail, but found it tough
to keep the bodies thin enough. Then I picked up a little trick y'all
might all know about, but here goes: I take a bunch of polypro that's
half as thick as the post I want. I tie it on from the top, but let
the tying thread rotate it under the hook. A couple of figure-eight
wraps so it's perpendicular to the shank and then I pull the two ends
up and wrap them together to make the post.

I've never tied parachutes, so I'm not asking from experience; but why
can't
you do the same figure eight thing on top of the hook without wrapping it
under?

IIUC, you create wings instead of a post.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
"rb608" wrote in message
I've never tied parachutes, so I'm not asking from experience; but why
can't
you do the same figure eight thing on top of the hook without wrapping
it
under?

IIUC, you create wings instead of a post.

I understand that part; but maybe that's the answer. Chuck wrote, "A couple
of figure-eight wraps so it's perpendicular to the shank and then I pull the
two ends up and wrap them together to make the post." Is it
difficult/impossible to wrap the two ends together to form a post if they're
on top as opposed to the bottom?

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
"rb608" wrote in message
I've never tied parachutes, so I'm not asking from experience; but why
can't
you do the same figure eight thing on top of the hook without wrapping
it
under?

IIUC, you create wings instead of a post.

I understand that part; but maybe that's the answer. Chuck wrote, "A
couple
of figure-eight wraps so it's perpendicular to the shank and then I pull
the
two ends up and wrap them together to make the post." Is it
difficult/impossible to wrap the two ends together to form a post if
they're
on top as opposed to the bottom?



Hmm, if I'm visualizing this correctly, you're just asking why the post
can't be a U-shaped piece of material, with the U above the shank rather
than wrapped around it? I guess the only reason for that might be that the
post material might add floatation, so having it wrap below the shank floats
the hook higher. Other than that, I'm not certain Chuck meant that his post
material wrapped around the shaft. "Perpendicular" might mean horizontal and
perpendicular (lying across the hook, putting the U above the shaft) rather
than vertical and perpendicular (wrapping the U around the hook)

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
Hmm, if I'm visualizing this correctly, you're just asking why the post
can't be a U-shaped piece of material, with the U above the shank rather
than wrapped around it?

That's exactly my question.

Other than that, I'm not certain Chuck meant that his post
material wrapped around the shaft. "Perpendicular" might mean horizontal
and
perpendicular (lying across the hook, putting the U above the shaft)
rather
than vertical and perpendicular (wrapping the U around the hook)

Hmm. Maybe so. From his description, I envisioned him tying on the post
material similar to a pair of barbel eyes then folding it up & wrapping it.

Joe F.