Trout fishing with worms

Among things that I have learned from reading British books and magazines is
that upstream worm fishing for trout in clear streams is considered to be at
least as difficult as, and requires as much skill as, fly fishing. I
believe it is called "trotting" a worm. It is something I cannot confirm
from experience but find believable. The Brits have a much richer history of
angling than we in the colonies - Izaak Walton, who we think of as the
father of our sport, was a Brit. Some people might not know that Walton was
actually a worm fisher. Another impression I gained is that coarse fishing
as practiced in Europe is at least as technical as fly fishing is in its
practice and equipment. So much for the snobbery that some of us fly
fishers are prone to.



Best regards,



Yuji Sakuma

"Yuji Sakuma" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Among things that I have learned from reading British books and magazines
is
that upstream worm fishing for trout in clear streams is considered to be
at
least as difficult as, and requires as much skill as, fly fishing. I
believe it is called "trotting" a worm. It is something I cannot confirm
from experience but find believable. The Brits have a much richer history
of
angling than we in the colonies - Izaak Walton, who we think of as the
father of our sport, was a Brit. Some people might not know that Walton
was
actually a worm fisher. Another impression I gained is that coarse
fishing
as practiced in Europe is at least as technical as fly fishing is in its
practice and equipment. So much for the snobbery that some of us fly
fishers are prone to.



Best regards,



Yuji Sakuma


"Trotting" is the technique of long distance float-fishing. Best practiced
with a free running centrepin reel.

Upstream worming is usually done using a flyline, or a couple of split
shot. It is a most demanding technique, much harder than most fly-fishing,
but can be very deadly indeed.

TL
MC

Yuji Sakuma wrote:

Among things that I have learned from reading British books and magazines is
that upstream worm fishing for trout in clear streams is considered to be at
least as difficult as, and requires as much skill as, fly fishing. I
believe it is called "trotting" a worm. It is something I cannot confirm
from experience but find believable. The Brits have a much richer history of
angling than we in the colonies - Izaak Walton, who we think of as the
father of our sport, was a Brit. Some people might not know that Walton was
actually a worm fisher. Another impression I gained is that coarse fishing
as practiced in Europe is at least as technical as fly fishing is in its
practice and equipment. So much for the snobbery that some of us fly
fishers are prone to.


The most effective trout angler I ever met was a bait fisherman. He
always carried a variety of baits such as wax worms, minnows he froze in
small packs, small garden worms he raised, etc. He also used Stonefly
nymphs, Cranefly larva (rockworms) and other things he gathered at
streamside.

When I lived in the mountains, I ran into him pretty frequently as we
both liked many of the same areas. Sometimes I would just watch him but
often he would fish behind me and generally caught twice the number of
fish I did even though he was fishing water I had just fished. I learned
alot from the guy.

Willi

wrote...
The most effective trout angler I ever met was a bait fisherman. He
always carried a variety of baits such as wax worms, minnows he froze in
small packs, small garden worms he raised, etc. He also used Stonefly
nymphs, Cranefly larva (rockworms) and other things he gathered at
streamside.

When I lived in the mountains, I ran into him pretty frequently as we
both liked many of the same areas. Sometimes I would just watch him but
often he would fish behind me and generally caught twice the number of
fish I did even though he was fishing water I had just fished. I learned
alot from the guy.

Ahhhhh, so *that's* how you do it! Freakin' bait chucker...... ;-)
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Willi wrote in message ...

The most effective trout angler I ever met was a bait fisherman. He
always carried a variety of baits such as wax worms, minnows he froze in
small packs, small garden worms he raised, etc. He also used Stonefly
nymphs, Cranefly larva (rockworms) and other things he gathered at
streamside.

When I lived in the mountains, I ran into him pretty frequently as we
both liked many of the same areas. Sometimes I would just watch him but
often he would fish behind me and generally caught twice the number of
fish I did even though he was fishing water I had just fished. I learned
alot from the guy.

And I expect that if he had chosen to, he could been an excellent
flyfisherman as well. Because he was a fisherman first, not a
bait-fisherman.

I see no need to apologize for the many years I fished with worms.
My basic outfit was an ultralight spinning rig with 4 lb. test, and
unless conditions dictated otherwise (usually due to wind), I rarely
used any weight. I used this rig on several different rivers/streams
in the Hill Country, and it was certainly not "chuck it out and sit"
fishing. Many times I was sight-fishing to specific fish, and other
times I fished blind into deeper holes, but was trying to get the worm
to drift with the current into a specific spot.

It was active fishing and a lot of fun. Fly fishing is simply a
different sort of challenge for me. To fool the fish with your own
creation is a kick. I also enjoy the rhythm of casting.


Chuck Vance (and you don't have to worry about keeping your
flies from dying in the heat of summer :-)

The question is not whether trout fishing with worms is more difficult, but
whether it is more desirable from a standpoint of conservation. A fish
caught on a worm is much more likely to suffer mortal injury and thus not to
be caught again. I agree with Lee Wolf, that a trout is too valuable a
resource to be caught only once. There are lots of good tasting fish that
are much more abundant and would not suffer from being taken by sport
fishermen. I am not a fly snob, I trout fished with worms until about 1965,
but it's just not good for the fish or the fishing.

Gene

"Yuji Sakuma" wrote in message
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Among things that I have learned from reading British books and magazines
is
that upstream worm fishing for trout in clear streams is considered to be
at
least as difficult as, and requires as much skill as, fly fishing. I
believe it is called "trotting" a worm. It is something I cannot confirm
from experience but find believable. The Brits have a much richer history
of
angling than we in the colonies - Izaak Walton, who we think of as the
father of our sport, was a Brit. Some people might not know that Walton
was
actually a worm fisher. Another impression I gained is that coarse
fishing
as practiced in Europe is at least as technical as fly fishing is in its
practice and equipment. So much for the snobbery that some of us fly
fishers are prone to.



Best regards,



Yuji Sakuma

Gene Cottrell wrote:

...I agree with Lee Wolf, that a trout is too valuable a
resource to be caught only once.
.......

Especially if you make your living off the "resource."

http://www.overmywaders.com/articles/origins.html

JR
(wanna cracker?)

Gene,

I think you missed my point, which had nothing to do with conservation.

Best regards,
Yuji Sakuma

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"Gene Cottrell" wrote in message
...
The question is not whether trout fishing with worms is more difficult,
but
whether it is more desirable from a standpoint of conservation. A fish
caught on a worm is much more likely to suffer mortal injury and thus not
to
be caught again. I agree with Lee Wolf, that a trout is too valuable a
resource to be caught only once. There are lots of good tasting fish that
are much more abundant and would not suffer from being taken by sport
fishermen. I am not a fly snob, I trout fished with worms until about
1965,
but it's just not good for the fish or the fishing.

Gene

Yuji Sakuma wrote:

Another impression I gained is that coarse fishing
as practiced in Europe is at least as technical as fly fishing is in its
practice and equipment. So much for the snobbery that some of us fly
fishers are prone to.

Saw a program on Italian TV last night about C&R fishing in streams for
what looked like small barbel, using spinning gear with REALLY long
telescoping rods and with maggots as bait. Two things that struck me
were 1) the process of attaching and regulating the float and various
split shot, involving a BUNCH of knots and tools, was WAY more
complicated than any fly rig I use, and 2) folks use slingshots to chum
a little spray of maggots around the float as it drifts downstream. The
slingshot is apparently an integral part of any self-respecting bait
fisherman's gear--used with all sorts of bait--and folks are deadly
accurate with it. Tweren't FFing, and the size of the gear seemed all
out of proportion to the size of the fish (9-12"), but it was
fascinating to watch.

JR

JR,

I have never bait fished, and probably never will, but like you, I found it
interesting that coarse fishermen release everything they catch and have
been doing so since before it became the popular thing to do among fly
fishermen. Of course, the reason they release everything might be because
most of the things they catch are inedible; although I did read one story of
a coarse angler getting an incidental catch of a trout and disgustingly
throwing it back in. Must have been like a chub to a fly fisherman.

Best regards,
Yuji Sakuma

"JR" wrote in message ...

Saw a program on Italian TV last night about C&R fishing in streams for
what looked like small barbel, using spinning gear with REALLY long
telescoping rods and with maggots as bait. Two things that struck me
were 1) the process of attaching and regulating the float and various
split shot, involving a BUNCH of knots and tools, was WAY more
complicated than any fly rig I use, and 2) folks use slingshots to chum
a little spray of maggots around the float as it drifts downstream. The
slingshot is apparently an integral part of any self-respecting bait
fisherman's gear--used with all sorts of bait--and folks are deadly
accurate with it. Tweren't FFing, and the size of the gear seemed all
out of proportion to the size of the fish (9-12"), but it was
fascinating to watch.

JR