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gary wrote [sic]:

Don't like the pressure on our natural resourse? Then write and demand
immigratiion reform. Not Bushes either.


Thanks, Gary, but I've already written and demanded that troglodyte
racist ****heads not be allowed to fish, hunt, pick their noses,
defecate, or breathe anywhere near any of our natural resources.

I figure that should leave LOTS of room for the rest of us.

JR

JR wrote:
gary wrote [sic]:

Don't like the pressure on our natural resourse? Then write and demand
immigratiion reform. Not Bushes either.

Thanks, Gary, but I've already written and demanded that troglodyte
racist ****heads not be allowed to fish, hunt, pick their noses,
defecate, or breathe anywhere near any of our natural resources.

I figure that should leave LOTS of room for the rest of us.

Wouldn't it be pretty to think so, but I'm afraid there are more racist
scum like gary than you'd imagine. They don't crawl out from under their
rocks very often, but still they lie buried in the filth of the American
psyche festering and oozing in the pus of their hate-filled ignorance.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:05:58 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

JR wrote:
gary wrote [sic]:

Don't like the pressure on our natural resourse? Then write and demand
immigratiion reform. Not Bushes either.

Thanks, Gary, but I've already written and demanded that troglodyte
racist ****heads not be allowed to fish, hunt, pick their noses,
defecate, or breathe anywhere near any of our natural resources.

I figure that should leave LOTS of room for the rest of us.

Wouldn't it be pretty to think so, but I'm afraid there are more racist
scum like gary than you'd imagine. They don't crawl out from under their
rocks very often, but still they lie buried in the filth of the American
psyche festering and oozing in the pus of their hate-filled ignorance.


how is asking for immgration reform racist?

bones wrote in news:2e2l10ll45ul0tc3m0d957hf0thsu2ti12@
4ax.com:

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:05:58 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

JR wrote:
gary wrote [sic]:

Don't like the pressure on our natural resourse? Then write and demand
immigratiion reform. Not Bushes either.

Thanks, Gary, but I've already written and demanded that troglodyte
racist ****heads not be allowed to fish, hunt, pick their noses,
defecate, or breathe anywhere near any of our natural resources.

I figure that should leave LOTS of room for the rest of us.

Wouldn't it be pretty to think so, but I'm afraid there are more racist
scum like gary than you'd imagine. They don't crawl out from under their
rocks very often, but still they lie buried in the filth of the American
psyche festering and oozing in the pus of their hate-filled ignorance.


how is asking for immgration reform racist?

Asking for immigration reform is not, in itself, racists. Linking it to
natural resource use, though, is an interesting link.

The more problems a person tends to blame on "them", the more questionable
the motivation

Scott

Scott Seidman wrote:
bones wrote in news:2e2l10ll45ul0tc3m0d957hf0thsu2ti12@
4ax.com:

Asking for immigration reform is not, in itself, racists. Linking it to
natural resource use, though, is an interesting link.

It's a natural and appropriate link. Natural resource use is directly
related to population growth. Immigration (legal and illegal) is the
major source of population growth in the US.

The more problems a person tends to blame on "them", the more questionable
the motivation

My opinion, FWIW, is that our population (meaning the US, in this case)
is large enough. In fact, it's too large already. If that makes me a
racist in anyone's opinion, **** them.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:10:24 -0700, rw
wrote:


It's a natural and appropriate link. Natural resource use is directly
related to population growth. Immigration (legal and illegal) is the
major source of population growth in the US.


The third rail for the Sierra Club......

rw wrote in
:

Scott Seidman wrote:
bones wrote in news:2e2l10ll45ul0tc3m0d957hf0thsu2ti12@
4ax.com:

Asking for immigration reform is not, in itself, racists. Linking it
to natural resource use, though, is an interesting link.

It's a natural and appropriate link. Natural resource use is directly
related to population growth. Immigration (legal and illegal) is the
major source of population growth in the US.

The more problems a person tends to blame on "them", the more
questionable the motivation

My opinion, FWIW, is that our population (meaning the US, in this
case) is large enough. In fact, it's too large already. If that makes
me a racist in anyone's opinion, **** them.


Census bureau estimates show that the natural increase (births-deaths)
exceeds the net migration by more than 50%, at least between 2000 and 2001.
Immigration is certainly a major player, but not --the-- major player.
Given the current birth rates, the US tops the list of developed nations at
2.1 births per woman.

In addition, I'm not sure that Natural resource use is directly related to
population growth in the US in this global economy. Think about how much
of our forests get exported. You might be able to better link natural
resource use and world population, but it might not make that much of a
difference where the people are actually located. I might be able to float
the argument that its the rich people and corporations in the world that
use much of the resources, and that poor illegals contribute more to food
production than food and resource consumption.

I think population growth is a problem as well. I have no kids. How many
do you have?

Scott

Scott Seidman wrote:

Census bureau estimates show that the natural increase (births-deaths)
exceeds the net migration by more than 50%, at least between 2000 and 2001.
Immigration is certainly a major player, but not --the-- major player.
Given the current birth rates, the US tops the list of developed nations at
2.1 births per woman.

U.S. fertility is slightly less than replacement level and has not
exceeded replacement level since 1972. In fact, immigration is BY FAR
the most important factor in US population growth.

This web site presents what I think is a fair and responsible overview
of the problem:

http://www.susps.org/overview/immigration.html


In addition, I'm not sure that Natural resource use is directly related to
population growth in the US in this global economy. Think about how much
of our forests get exported. You might be able to better link natural
resource use and world population, but it might not make that much of a
difference where the people are actually located. I might be able to float
the argument that its the rich people and corporations in the world that
use much of the resources, and that poor illegals contribute more to food
production than food and resource consumption.

Just because I'm concerned about population growth in the US, that
doesn't mean I think that world-wide population growth isn't a problem.

I think population growth is a problem as well. I have no kids. How many
do you have?

I have two children. Does that make me less qualified than you to have
an opinion?

Clearly, immigration is a hot-button issue. Some racists use
"immigration reform" as a code word for a racist agenda. That doesn't
mean that everyone who is concerned about immigration policy a racist.
It seems like even the mention of immigration as a problem has become an
offense to political correctness. That sucks.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
. 1.4...
rw wrote in
:
SNIP
In addition, I'm not sure that Natural resource use is directly related to
population growth in the US in this global economy. Think about how much
of our forests get exported. You might be able to better link natural
resource use and world population, but it might not make that much of a
difference where the people are actually located.
SNIP

Scott

Actually we are importing 30-40% of the wood products we use, while
exporting less than 8.25% of the wood we harvest, despite the fact that
total growth of wood in our forests exceeds our total current usage.


--
Bob Weinberger
Forest Management Consulting

rw wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:

Asking for immigration reform is not, in itself, racists. Linking it to
natural resource use, though, is an interesting link.

It's a natural and appropriate link. Natural resource use is directly
related to population growth. Immigration (legal and illegal) is the
major source of population growth in the US.

Waste and selfishness are directly related to natural resource use too,
and immigration is not the only source (or even the only "major" source)
of population growth.

What's not racist is: "Don't like pressure on natural resources?
Combating ignorance, waste, corporate greed, government policies that
discourage conservation, and population growth is the answer."

"Don't like pressure on natural resources? Write and demand immigration
reform!" is code, pure and simple. It means exactly the same thing as:

"Don't like crowded classrooms? Demand immigration reform!"

"Don't like people using government services but not paying their
taxes? Demand immigration reform!"

"Don't like crime and drugs? Demand immigration reform!"

It's disingenuous BS spewn by those racists who haven't got the balls to
speak what's really on their minds.

JR