A Plea for help & a head's up

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:35:36 GMT, "just al"
wrote:

I am a fly fishing guide in NY (part-time). I understand your concern, but
we need to teach others rather than exclude them. As a public school
teacher I see enough exclusion daily.

But, OK. You're empassioned. Try one of these three remedies:

1. Run for public office and push for laws making greed illegal. That will
solve more than the fishing problems in the US, because fishing issues are
metaphoric of eveyday civics.

2. Make sure that everytime you see a bait fisherman, in an area you
prefer,you encroach up him/her and use your fly fishing prowess to cover
more of that water than he/she can. If fly fisherpeople take advatage of
our reach, spin/bait fisherpeople will not have enough room to fish and will
find other areas to plunk.

3. Rotate your query between trout, bass, norther pike, etc., to hone well
rounded angling skills. In the event of a trout armegeddon, you'll still
find gratification in equalling Walton's Piscatore.



Ya right, it flew right over your head. So let me have one more crack
at it.

I have no problems whatosever with any form of tackle. I have no
problem whatsoever with any bait fisherman who is angling in
accordance with regulations and with some respect for the environment
and the resource. I have no problem with C&K on a sustainable fishery,
I have no problem with put 'n' take on an existing put 'n' take
stream.

I do have a problem with pigs of the two-legged variety who foul our
waterways.

enuf said, the point should be clear by now . . .

if it isn't, Wolfie will be along soon to help out . . . .



Peter

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Shoot. It didn't go over my head. I thought it did. What I understand is
that rather than requesting petitions to keep the areas clean, you suggest
we keep the laws the way they are in order to keep the "dirty folks" out.

"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:35:36 GMT, "just al"
wrote:

I am a fly fishing guide in NY (part-time). I understand your concern,
but
we need to teach others rather than exclude them. As a public school
teacher I see enough exclusion daily.

But, OK. You're empassioned. Try one of these three remedies:

1. Run for public office and push for laws making greed illegal. That
will
solve more than the fishing problems in the US, because fishing issues
are
metaphoric of eveyday civics.

2. Make sure that everytime you see a bait fisherman, in an area you
prefer,you encroach up him/her and use your fly fishing prowess to cover
more of that water than he/she can. If fly fisherpeople take advatage of
our reach, spin/bait fisherpeople will not have enough room to fish and
will
find other areas to plunk.

3. Rotate your query between trout, bass, norther pike, etc., to hone
well
rounded angling skills. In the event of a trout armegeddon, you'll still
find gratification in equalling Walton's Piscatore.



Ya right, it flew right over your head. So let me have one more crack
at it.

I have no problems whatosever with any form of tackle. I have no
problem whatsoever with any bait fisherman who is angling in
accordance with regulations and with some respect for the environment
and the resource. I have no problem with C&K on a sustainable fishery,
I have no problem with put 'n' take on an existing put 'n' take
stream.

I do have a problem with pigs of the two-legged variety who foul our
waterways.

enuf said, the point should be clear by now . . .

if it isn't, Wolfie will be along soon to help out . . . .



Peter

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:36:56 GMT, "just al"
wrote:

Shoot. It didn't go over my head. I thought it did. What I understand is
that rather than requesting petitions to keep the areas clean, you suggest
we keep the laws the way they are in order to keep the "dirty folks" out.


It's still up there at 30,000 feet. Where in all of this did I ever
mention remedies?



Peter

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Didn't this whole discussion begin with a plea to petition the PA Fish and
Game folks about maintaining current regulations? Was this plea not
directed to thwart the attempt of a certain fishing faction? If not, then I
am totally wrong and appologize for an blood boiling. Seriously.


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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:36:56 GMT, "just al"
wrote:

Shoot. It didn't go over my head. I thought it did. What I understand
is
that rather than requesting petitions to keep the areas clean, you
suggest
we keep the laws the way they are in order to keep the "dirty folks" out.


It's still up there at 30,000 feet. Where in all of this did I ever
mention remedies?



Peter

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"just al" wrote in message
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Didn't this whole discussion begin with a plea to petition the PA Fish and
Game folks about maintaining current regulations?

well, i'll be damned if i know how it began, but my bet is there's lots
of folks who will remember, fondly, its ending.

wayno

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"just al" wrote in message
...
Didn't this whole discussion begin with a plea to petition the PA
Fish and Game folks about maintaining current regulations?

well, i'll be damned if i know how it began, but my bet is there's
lots
of folks who will remember, fondly, its ending.

wayno


*laugh*

Steve

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:03:31 GMT, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:


"just al" wrote in message
...
Didn't this whole discussion begin with a plea to petition the PA Fish and
Game folks about maintaining current regulations?

well, i'll be damned if i know how it began, but my bet is there's lots
of folks who will remember, fondly, its ending.

wayno

Why - is someone finally gonna drag out ol' Cluebringer and flail away?

/daytripper (a merciful ending to a heading-for-supercilious thread...)

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:37:07 GMT, "just al"
wrote:

Didn't this whole discussion begin with a plea to petition the PA Fish and
Game folks about maintaining current regulations? Was this plea not
directed to thwart the attempt of a certain fishing faction? If not, then I
am totally wrong and appologize for an blood boiling. Seriously.


You were replying to me, I did not discuss any potential remedies.

OK, let's start from the beginning.

We have an original poster who claimed that nasty bait fishermen were
petitioning to remove all of *our* water in PA He then supplies some
details, some figures on miles of water, and some suggestions about a
course of action to counter the petition.

However, we don't know for su

1. If there is a bait fisherman's petition?
2. If there is one, what it is asking for?
3. If it is petitioning for what was claimed, what the effects will
be?
4. What are its chances of success?
5. What was the triggering event for the petition?
6. Are bait fishermans' and fly fishermans' interests actually at
loggerheads in PA?
7. If they are, why?
8. What is the actual state of relations between these two factions
(if they are indeed factions)?
9. If anything really needs to be done?
10. If there will be any negative consequences if nothing is done?
11. Are the figures quoted actually correct?
12. Are the rest of the facts correct?
13. Is the imputed influence of letter writers opposing the petiton
really of consequence?

Etc.

Before I leapt right to dealing with remedies, I'd like a few answers
to the above and I decided to start with the nature of the bait vs.
fly relationship. Is there really an issue about this in PA? I don't
know. So I wrote some semi-provocative posts about the nature of the
relationship in the hope that the replies might shed some light.
Perhaps a PA angler with more information would step forth. Perhaps a
PA angler I know and who I can rely upon to relate factual
information, will confirm or deny the statements made by the original
poster. Without at least a few answers to the above, I consider any
discussion about remedies to be totally pointless.

Capisca?






Peter

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Thanks, Peter. I learned how to argue and debate on a news server.
Seriously. Thanks.
"Peter Charles" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:37:07 GMT, "just al"
wrote:

Didn't this whole discussion begin with a plea to petition the PA Fish
and
Game folks about maintaining current regulations? Was this plea not
directed to thwart the attempt of a certain fishing faction? If not, then
I
am totally wrong and appologize for an blood boiling. Seriously.


You were replying to me, I did not discuss any potential remedies.

OK, let's start from the beginning.

We have an original poster who claimed that nasty bait fishermen were
petitioning to remove all of *our* water in PA He then supplies some
details, some figures on miles of water, and some suggestions about a
course of action to counter the petition.

However, we don't know for su

1. If there is a bait fisherman's petition?
2. If there is one, what it is asking for?
3. If it is petitioning for what was claimed, what the effects will
be?
4. What are its chances of success?
5. What was the triggering event for the petition?
6. Are bait fishermans' and fly fishermans' interests actually at
loggerheads in PA?
7. If they are, why?
8. What is the actual state of relations between these two factions
(if they are indeed factions)?
9. If anything really needs to be done?
10. If there will be any negative consequences if nothing is done?
11. Are the figures quoted actually correct?
12. Are the rest of the facts correct?
13. Is the imputed influence of letter writers opposing the petiton
really of consequence?

Etc.

Before I leapt right to dealing with remedies, I'd like a few answers
to the above and I decided to start with the nature of the bait vs.
fly relationship. Is there really an issue about this in PA? I don't
know. So I wrote some semi-provocative posts about the nature of the
relationship in the hope that the replies might shed some light.
Perhaps a PA angler with more information would step forth. Perhaps a
PA angler I know and who I can rely upon to relate factual
information, will confirm or deny the statements made by the original
poster. Without at least a few answers to the above, I consider any
discussion about remedies to be totally pointless.

Capisca?






Peter

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"just al" wrote in message
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Thanks, Peter. I learned how to argue and debate on a news server...

Hm.....

You appear to be suggesting either that Usenet is where you learned how to
argue and debate, or that Peter was instrumental in teaching how to do so
correctly within this medium. If the former, you got a very late start and
failed to get the best instruction that was probably available to you. If
the latter, Peter can hardly be held solely responsible for the
outcome......it was, after all, a cooperative venture.....or should have
been. In either case, the conclusion that you're education is not yet
complete is inescapable.

Wolfgang