A Plea for help & a head's up

"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
I've seen really ****-poor behavior from father-son "teams."

That's for sure. Some of the most disturbing behavior I've seen while
fishing is some asshole father teaching his son to be an asshole just like
dad.

Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in
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"Greg Pavlov" wrote in message
I've seen really ****-poor behavior from father-son "teams."

That's for sure. Some of the most disturbing behavior I've seen while
fishing is some asshole father teaching his son to be an asshole just
like dad.

Joe F.




When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner right
into our float bucket.

Scott

Scott Seidman wrote:

When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner right
into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:

When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner
right into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?


That's walking stockies up and down a stream from the truck, instead of
just dumping the stockies off any old bridge.

The idea is to try to keep all the stockies (especially two-year olds) from
being pulled out of the water the day they're put in.

Not sure if it works, or if its worth doing, but there you go.

Scott

Scott Seidman wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om:


Scott Seidman wrote:


When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner
right into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?



That's walking stockies up and down a stream from the truck, instead of
just dumping the stockies off any old bridge.

The idea is to try to keep all the stockies (especially two-year olds) from
being pulled out of the water the day they're put in.

Not sure if it works, or if its worth doing, but there you go.


Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi

Willi wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
om:


Scott Seidman wrote:


When we were float stocking, we had a father/son duo cast a spinner
right into our float bucket.

What is "float stocking" ?



That's walking stockies up and down a stream from the truck, instead
of just dumping the stockies off any old bridge.

The idea is to try to keep all the stockies (especially two-year
olds) from being pulled out of the water the day they're put in.

Not sure if it works, or if its worth doing, but there you go.


Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi




Yes. I have one such creek within 45 minutes of me. Parts are stocked,
but there are impenetrable barriers between stocked and unstocked
sections. Part of this wild section is catch and release, artificials
only. Believe it or not, a wild part with almost no access is three
fish, any size, any method during trout season, C and R artificials only
outside of trout season. This sections regs are a compromise, after the
DEC had 3 fish any size any method 12 months put up there.

There's a trib to this creek that is also unstocked with pretty
restrictive regs.

As an aside, NY is starting a two fish limit for fish over 12". This is
interesting, because the real motivation (though some in the DEC deny
this) is to try to keep two year old stockies in the water a little
longer. It's a little funny how they're managing for stockies.

Scott

"Willi" wrote in message
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Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.


Yes there are. Each state is different but I can speak to WI, MI, GA, MO,
and NC as each having differing regs based on stream categories. But
stocking is a widespread practice as you have read. One of the many
reasons, and there are some good ones, is that many marginal streams need to
be stocked to "keep them off of the good streams"

Willi

Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi


there are hundreds of miles of wild trout water in north carolina,
wherein no stocking takes place. in fact, there are several streams in my
own knowledge which contain wild fish and are not managed or regulated at
all. it's like they are "under the radar".

yfitons
wayno

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:23:38 -0700, Willi wrote:

Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

GA has some trout streams that are not stocked (although they were
originally stocked 40 years ago or so). The ones I know of are
artificial only and have mostly wild brown and rainbow. One also has a
16" size limit.
--
Charlie...

Willi wrote

Are any streams or rivers "back east" managed for self sustaining
populations? By that I mean no stocking with the populations protected
by more restrictive regulations.

Willi


Sure you've fished a few of them included parts of Penn's C&R section
but not really exclusively since stockies will run up from below. In
PA there are other creeks that recieve no stocking, but are teaming
with native fish. The problem we do have here in the East is that
there just isn't enough fertile water to sustain native populations.

Even though many streams in say New York or PA are a hundred miles or
more away from the Great Metropolis, the water is/was devasted by misc
problems from Acid rain, to polution, from factories supporting the
cities, to mining from over-forresting, to over-fishing. We do see
some streams recovering over the most recent decades, but very
recently there seems to be a push to return back to the old ways. Not
sure who to blame, but it's not any one person or group.
Environmental controls are being relaxed, and we seem to be making
some of the same mistakes again. I don't know if enough people will
get "it" before it's too late in the East. You also have morons like
the ones trying to relax the fishing regulations again. Some of the
changes are good, and I have no problem with put and take in areas
where the fish will not reproduce anyway if the masses need that sort
of thing, or with bait fishing in regulations areas, but there is
definetly a place for management by C&R, or other means.

It's good to see the management moves out west as someday the same
issue will arrive on your doorstep. Probably not within our lifetime
or maybe even our grandchildren's, but the population will rise, and
what once seemed to be limitless fishing paradise will be squeezed and
pushed to it's limits. I'm sure you must already see it around the big
cities, and in the "gold medal" sections of the famous streams. If
good management is not used you will lose some valuable streams before
everyone gets "it".

The Finn