Madison River Conclave - schedule? other questions..

Michael Makela wrote:

I now it's a bit early, but was wondering who's arriving, when, for
the Madison River Clave???

Just booked my flight to come in on the 8th. I had a frequent flyer
ticket to use and couldn't get it for Friday or Saturday, so I had to
go for the Thursday date (not that I'm disapointed, but still need to
break the news to the wife). Had to book the flight into Jackson
Hole, so it may take me two days to get past all of the other water,
and scenery, on the way up to the Clave.

Good to hear you're coming. You'll have a blast!

Bring Tom with ya!



It's my first time out to this great part of the world and wil be
solo, so if anyone else will be coming from the South around the same
time , let me know maybe we can get in some early fishing.

Have lots of other questions but I'll start with just one more. I
have an older T & T 6 wt that's a bit heavy and probably don't want to
cast that rod all day so I'm thinking about either buying a basic 6
weight rod, or just sticking to my favorite Sage 590 SP and/or RPL.
They tend to get me by on streams that a 6 wt is recommended, but
should I think about cutting into the Madison River budget for a new 6
weight, or just saving the cash for a bit pocket cash on the trip?


For me a powerful 5 wt. is standard on bigger water. I fish a 9' 4wt. if
I don't plan on flinging lead.



O.K. maybe one more question..I also have a 3 and 4 weight I could
bring along if the need is there. Will we be fishin any smaller
streams where a shorter, lighter, rod would be required?

Small is a relative term. They'll probably be people fishing smaller
waters most days but they'll be LOTS bigger and far less overgrown than
the little Brookie streams you took me too. A light rod is fun but not
needed.

Willi

Willi wrote in message news

Good to hear you're coming. You'll have a blast!

Bring Tom with ya!

Tom's got cement shoes these days, kind of the way he fishes 8^) Work
on him, he ignored my first plea.


For me a powerful 5 wt. is standard on bigger water. I fish a 9' 4wt. if
I don't plan on flinging lead.


Sounds like I'm O.K. If I get an itch maybe the 9'4wt instead. I've
been looking for one anyway but may just save the cash for pocket
money.

Small is a relative term. They'll probably be people fishing smaller
waters most days but they'll be LOTS bigger and far less overgrown than
the little Brookie streams you took me too. A light rod is fun but not
needed.


So not as much underbrush to worry about or just wider water for the
most part?

Mike

Michael Makela wrote:

Willi wrote in message news

Good to hear you're coming. You'll have a blast!

Bring Tom with ya!


Tom's got cement shoes these days, kind of the way he fishes 8^) Work
on him, he ignored my first plea.


For me a powerful 5 wt. is standard on bigger water. I fish a 9' 4wt. if
I don't plan on flinging lead.



Sounds like I'm O.K. If I get an itch maybe the 9'4wt instead. I've
been looking for one anyway but may just save the cash for pocket
money.


Small is a relative term. They'll probably be people fishing smaller
waters most days but they'll be LOTS bigger and far less overgrown than
the little Brookie streams you took me too. A light rod is fun but not
needed.



So not as much underbrush to worry about or just wider water for the
most part?


Although there's little overgrown ones, like the one that Jeff and I
fished last year for a bit, many of the smaller waters in the area
aren't that small. The West is much more arid than PA. Although some of
our streams are choked with Willows, we don't have the dense foliage you
have back East. Many of the best small waters run through big mountain
meadows and are very open. These place have deep undercut banks and have
fish that are surprisingly big for the size of the stream.

Here's some smaller waters including several from Claves that were held
in the area:

http://crystalglen.net/Fishing/Smallstreams.htm


Willi

Willi wrote:

Many of the best small waters run through big mountain
meadows and are very open. These place have deep undercut banks and have
fish that are surprisingly big for the size of the stream.

Here's some smaller waters including several from Claves that were held
in the area:

one of my favorite streams was the nez perce in yellowstone. small,
easily fished from the banks, nice fish in runs and in the undercut
banks, and running perpendicular to the road and back into woods. caught
some nice fish with those crazy sandwich, rubber leg flies. beautiful
scenery... stepping over moose, elk, bear ****piles added to the
ambiance. g if i get out there early enough to share some time with
makela, i hope to see that water again.

that dribbler you and i fished was tough even by eastern standards
because of the difficulty in moving up the stream with all the deadfall
and nettles and brambles... reminded me of areas on andrews and little
wilson in nc that require smeegoling to find fish. out there, i think i
prefer the luxury of a pleasant long hike to a backwoods open meadow
stream with big fish opportunities. hope we can do it this year.

jeff

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:12:34 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote:

one of my favorite streams was the nez perce in yellowstone. small,
easily fished from the banks, nice fish in runs and in the undercut
banks, and running perpendicular to the road and back into woods. caught
some nice fish with those crazy sandwich, rubber leg flies. beautiful
scenery... stepping over moose, elk, bear ****piles added to the
ambiance. g if i get out there early enough to share some time with
makela, i hope to see that water again.

I plan on fishing there this year too. I'll be in Yellowstone and/or
Grand Teton the two weeks before the clave assuming things don't
change. I read somewhere ("The Yellowstone FF Guide" I think) that
there's a trail that leads around where we fished to some better
water, but it's sometimes closed due to bear and buffalo activity.
--
Charlie...

i'm going to try to go out a few days early. keep in touch about your
plans and location. ij says he may drive out again too. if so, we'll get
him to tend to the bear thang...

jeff

Charlie Choc wrote:

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:12:34 -0500, Jeff Miller
wrote:


one of my favorite streams was the nez perce in yellowstone. small,
easily fished from the banks, nice fish in runs and in the undercut
banks, and running perpendicular to the road and back into woods. caught
some nice fish with those crazy sandwich, rubber leg flies. beautiful
scenery... stepping over moose, elk, bear ****piles added to the
ambiance. g if i get out there early enough to share some time with
makela, i hope to see that water again.


I plan on fishing there this year too. I'll be in Yellowstone and/or
Grand Teton the two weeks before the clave assuming things don't
change. I read somewhere ("The Yellowstone FF Guide" I think) that
there's a trail that leads around where we fished to some better
water, but it's sometimes closed due to bear and buffalo activity.

Jeff Miller wrote:



Willi wrote:


Many of the best small waters run through big mountain
meadows and are very open. These place have deep undercut banks and have
fish that are surprisingly big for the size of the stream.

Here's some smaller waters including several from Claves that were held
in the area:


one of my favorite streams was the nez perce in yellowstone. small,
easily fished from the banks, nice fish in runs and in the undercut
banks, and running perpendicular to the road and back into woods. caught
some nice fish with those crazy sandwich, rubber leg flies. beautiful
scenery... stepping over moose, elk, bear ****piles added to the
ambiance. g if i get out there early enough to share some time with
makela, i hope to see that water again.

that dribbler you and i fished was tough even by eastern standards
because of the difficulty in moving up the stream with all the deadfall
and nettles and brambles... reminded me of areas on andrews and little
wilson in nc that require smeegoling to find fish. out there, i think i
prefer the luxury of a pleasant long hike to a backwoods open meadow
stream with big fish opportunities. hope we can do it this year.

jeff



We blew it not going on that overnight with RW last year. That sounds
like a FINE piece of water. I'd say we go this year but the meadows will
be bogs that time of year. It's a Fall stream only.

Meadows streams are hard to find. There aren't alot of them and people
are usually closed mouthed about them. Maybe we can find something.

Willi

"Willi" wrote



Meadows streams are hard to find. There aren't alot of them and people
are usually closed mouthed about them. Maybe we can find something.

Indian Joe offers----lots of good small streams [ not crowded] over around
Idaho border less than two hour drive from Madison--Jeff gets up
early ] --try to avoid famous
slouth Creek in park which is overcrowded meadow creek with old tired
fish which have been recaught and recaught--however the big hotel at that
entrance has great blackberry cobbler.
Instead of fishing into clave from east consider sliding over lobo pass and
fishing Kelly Creek on the western approach to clave-- cost you an extra
licence but beats the japanese buffalo picturing crowds in the park---

Even an old indian likes meadow streams--no rocks to jump and no heavy fast
water to wade

Indian Joe writes snip:Instead of fishing into clave from east consider
sliding over lobo pass and
fishing Kelly Creek on the western approach to clave-- cost you an extra
licence but beats the japanese buffalo picturing crowds in the park---

Even an old indian likes meadow streams--no rocks to jump and no heavy fast
water to wade

I am tempted to ride the bike from Jackson Hole to The Henry's Fork to fish my
way to the clave and pass on the park on the way to the clave.

Big Dale

Jeff wrote:one of my favorite streams was the nez perce in yellowstone. small,

easily fished from the banks, nice fish in runs and in the undercut
banks, and running perpendicular to the road and back into woods. caught
some nice fish with those crazy sandwich, rubber leg flies. beautiful
scenery... stepping over moose, elk, bear ****piles added to the
ambiance. g if i get out there early enough to share some time with
makela, i hope to see that water again.

that dribbler you and i fished was tough even by eastern standards
because of the difficulty in moving up the stream with all the deadfall
and nettles and brambles... reminded me of areas on andrews and little
wilson in nc that require smeegoling to find fish. out there, i think i
prefer the luxury of a pleasant long hike to a backwoods open meadow
stream with big fish opportunities. hope we can do it this year.

jeff
Writing like this makes me want to go out in the garage and work on the old
motorcycle so it will be ready in time for a trip to the west this year.

Big Dale