line choice for beginner

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

He was as scary tonight as I've ever seen him. He is obviously distraught,
disoriented and fearful. Poor thing, he means well, and I truly believe
that, but he is in WAY over his head and he's finally beginning to realize
it. When the Commander in Chief is discombobulated, be afraid.

When he made a couple of slips of the tongue within the first minute
of his *prepared* *speech*, I knew it was going to get ugly. I've
always felt that he knows he's in over his head. It's as if he went to
sleep as a rich little frat boy and woke up to find himself as the prez
of the fricking uninety states.

It's obvious that he enjoys playing the prez (especially when you
get to dress up in a fighter pilot's suit), but when it comes to
actually making decisions or having to stray from his script, he's
totally lost. And after his "performance" last night, I can't imagine
anyone doesn't know who's really running the country (i.e., Daddy's
henchmen).

I wish I had been keeping a tally of the number of times he repeated
the same mantras when asked a question ("historic opportunity" ... "It's
hard ... hard ... not easy" ... "no longer hope that oceans protect us
from harm" ... "he was a threat ... threat" ... "war footing ... war
footing ... war footing" ... "console the family members who have lost
their life" ... "make America more secure ... the world more free ...
the world more peaceful", etc.) And the way he dissembled and started
to ramble whenever there was a reasonably tough question.

It was truly pitiful, and I am genuinely curious how people from
other countries view us when they see him representing us.

Of course, now we should keep an eye out for the spinmeisters on the
right to see how they are going to make him out to be "presidential".


Chuck Vance (who doesn't dislike Dubya, and admits that he was a
decent governor of Texas)

Conan the Librarian wrote in news:c5jh8a$3qpi$1
@news.swt.edu:

he repeated
the same mantras w

My favorite was "Mustard gas at the turkey farm." I can't believe he's
still holding on to this WMD pipe dream. It makes him look crazy.

Scott

"Scott Seidman" wrote...
Conan the Librarian wrote:

he repeated
the same mantras

My favorite was "Mustard gas at the turkey farm."

From what I've heard, it sounds like barley stew night at Penns.
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"Mu Young Lee" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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SNIP).

Check out Sci Ang's web site

http://www.3m.com/us/home_leisure/sc...ro_tips2.jhtml

where they describe the GPX series as being heavier than "normal."

Among southern California surf fly fishers Airflo's integrated shooting
heads are very popular. They have the fastest sink rates per grain weight
and are consequently very effectinve at keeping the fly close to the
bottom in the surf. They also have a 5 year warranty against cracking and
have continued to improve their durability.

Mu

Seems fair enough. I don´t like Airflo. I could go into why not, but it
would not get us anywhere. If people like the lines, then I have no problem
with that.

It is unfortunate that manufacturers deviate from accepted standards on some
of these things, it makes the whole matter more complex. On the other hand,
if somebody does come up with a dveiation which is better per se, then that
is a good thing.

Simply making some lines heavier will indeed make them seem to cast better,
( or more easily at least) especially for beginners. However, a #4WF line
which weighs the same as a #6 WF line is a #6 line, and no longer a #4 line.
There is no point in having standards at all in such a case, and we might as
well use the pure intrinsic weight to describe lines.

You pays your money ................

TL
MC

Greg Pavlov wrote:

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:16:53 -0400, Mu Young Lee
wrote:


On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Mike Connor wrote:

Airflo is the main manufacturer doing this, none of the responsible ones
are. I would not even use an airflo line to tie up my tomatoes, ( if I had
any tomatoes!).

Check out Sci Ang's web site

http://www.3m.com/us/home_leisure/sc...ro_tips2.jhtml

where they describe the GPX series as being heavier than "normal."



Rio's Rio Grande lines are also heavier than their AFTMA
ratings allow.

What's with that. I find it irritating. It just makes line weight
designations meaningless. If I want to over line a rod, I'll do it
purposefully but I don't want a five weight line sold to me as a four.

Willi

"Greg Pavlov" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:20:46 +0200, "Mike Connor"
wrote:

SNIP
It is unfortunate that manufacturers deviate from accepted standards on
some
of these things, it makes the whole matter more complex. ...

I agree with you. A look at what's happened to spey line
and rod ratings shows how messy - and potentially expensive -
things can get. But I think that the heavier lines are a
response to very "fast" rods that are very popular but often
not easy to cast with lines they are ostensibly rated for.


Yes, this is most probably the reason, or at least the main one. It makes
the whole matter much more difficult though, and not only for beginners.

I have just cast several "long belly" WF lines which a friend brought
round.These are defintely better than the "standard" lines, but still not as
good as a matched DT or shooting head.

All this just causes more confusion.

TL
MC