Need help identifying a mayfly

"Warren" wrote in message
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Thanks for taking the time doing the search. I did the same search
and got to page 10 before giving up because my dial-up connection is
pretty damn slow. It's what I get for living in a rural area I
guess.....
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Yeah, tell me about it. :-)

--riverman

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Yeah, tell me about it. :-)

Assuming I get a good connection, I can surf the web at the blazing
speed of 26.4 Kbps baby! g
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Warren
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"Warren" wrote in message
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Yeah, tell me about it. :-)

Assuming I get a good connection, I can surf the web at the blazing
speed of 26.4 Kbps baby! g

Yowza. At least I get access at 6 Mbps, but that's only for about 15
seconds, until the switcher decides that some other computer has priority
and I get disconnected midfeed. Then I have to go back and reconnect to the
server, re-initialize my browser, and redo the search. Other times, I have
to share that bandwidth with 60 other computers, so I only get a microburst
for a second or two every 10 minutes. However, sometimes I get lucky and I
can access the net for 10 or 15 minutes at a time, like at 1AM.

At a meeting the other day, someone said "Doesn't anyone in the Congo have
a good internet connection??" My first reaction was sympathetic, then my
second reaction was just how ludicrous that statement was. What a world we
have created, eh? :-)

--riverman

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Yowza. At least I get access at 6 Mbps, but that's only for about 15
seconds, until the switcher decides that some other computer has priority
and I get disconnected midfeed. Then I have to go back and reconnect to the
server, re-initialize my browser, and redo the search. Other times, I have
to share that bandwidth with 60 other computers, so I only get a microburst
for a second or two every 10 minutes. However, sometimes I get lucky and I
can access the net for 10 or 15 minutes at a time, like at 1AM.

You lucky *******! g

At a meeting the other day, someone said "Doesn't anyone in the Congo have
a good internet connection??" My first reaction was sympathetic, then my
second reaction was just how ludicrous that statement was. What a world we
have created, eh? :-)

It seems that the Congo and Montana have a couple of things in
common. Small comfort for someone that wishes to see the Congo
first hand, but I guess it will have to do for now.
--
Warren
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"Warren" wrote in message
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It seems that the Congo and Montana have a couple of things in
common. Small comfort for someone that wishes to see the Congo
first hand, but I guess it will have to do for now.
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Yeah, that desire to see the Congo firsthand has just about expired. I spend
a lot of time thinking about Montana these days....

--riverman
(on th' road again...)

Warren wrote:
Yesterday on the Lower Madison I came across this mayfly on my vest.
I loaned my hatch identification book out and am having some trouble
identifying this insect.

http://home.earthlink.net/~troutbum_mt/namethatbug/

A couple of books seem to disagree on which insect this is. In
"Spinners" by Sylvester Nemes, this looks exactly like Leptophlebia
cupida (what he says is a Hendrickson on page 99). There is a
picture on the top of page two in the pictures section located
between pages 118 and 119. However, on page 35 of "A.K.'s Fly Box"
a Hendrickson is show as having three tails. The Quill Gordon on
the same page looks very similar to the bug that I took the pic of.
Basically the two books seem to be at odds and the source that I
would trust in this dispute is currently on loan to a friend who
just happens to be out of town.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Warren
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That's a good picture, next time try to get a picture of the viens in a
wing, and then go to the website I manage for our flyfishing club.
Roger Rohrbeck has developed an identification scheme that gets you to
the genus for Washington mayflies, and I think that includes most of
what you can find in Montana too.

www.offc.org is the website. Click on the entomology link, and then
the WA Mayfly identification section. The questions are full of
technical terms, but they are all defined on a page also linked to on
the entomology page. Roger is still working on this stuff and would
appreciate any comments anyone has on the page.

Chas
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net wrote...
That's a good picture, next time try to get a picture of the viens in a
wing, and then go to the website I manage for our flyfishing club.
Roger Rohrbeck has developed an identification scheme that gets you to
the genus for Washington mayflies, and I think that includes most of
what you can find in Montana too.

You mean like this?
http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/wings.html

www.offc.org is the website. Click on the entomology link, and then
the WA Mayfly identification section. The questions are full of
technical terms, but they are all defined on a page also linked to on
the entomology page. Roger is still working on this stuff and would
appreciate any comments anyone has on the page.

VERY useful site. The only thing I would suggest is actual pictures
with the descriptions, which I understand is going to be very hard
to do. Perhaps users can submit pics? Running through the Q&A and
then having possibilities is great and the descriptions are great,
but the lack of an actual pic to confirm is kind of a drag. Having
an actual pic of each would be, to quote a North Dakotan, "the
sheep's ass." g
--
Warren (who is wondering when Kevin Vang is coming out this way so
that he can be sure to be on vacation and far away during the same
period)
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Yeah, that desire to see the Congo firsthand has just about expired. I spend
a lot of time thinking about Montana these days....

Hmmmm, maybe we can start a new reality show called "Trading Place"
where you and I switch locations. I am ready and more than willing!
g
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Warren
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I googled "March Brown" under google images. Are these the same animal?

To be honest with you, I am still up in the air about this. The
link that Chas provided was very helpful and according to it wayno
pretty much nailed the ID. I followed the "tutorial" kind of thing
to ID bugs and it spit out Epeorus and Western Quill Gordon. It
wasn't an Epeorus albertae (yellow quill) as wayno suggested, but he
nailed two out of the three (props to uncle wayno!). According to
the site, a March Brown has three tails (one of the traits I was
taught) and so the insect that I took the pic of could not possibly
be a March Brown. I am still waiting to hear back from the
entomologist though. I am wondering if I ever will hear back from
him and would understand if I never do, but I still doubt that what
I learned originally is correct. I have received a couple of emails
from people that agreed with wayno and so that is comforting. At
least I have some sort of consensus to fall back on. ;-)

My trip to the library was uneventful and I found myself easily
distracted by numerous other topics. Those damn libraries **** me
off! It is like going to a buffet that serves everything that you
have ever liked eating and would love to eat again, but they serve
it all at the same time! I could easily keep myself busy in the MSU
library for a month without ever leaving provided someone brought me
food and drink, paid my bills, shuttled my daughter back and forth,
and provided accommodations for the two of us. The "fishing"
section really had me interested with several famous tomes that I
have yet to read. I never thought they had *that* many books that
relate to fly fishing in one way or another. Just freakin'
incredible. They even had the Fly Tyer's Bench side Reference and I
used it to look up a fly tying technique for a pattern I found at
the library that I couldn't wait to get home to look up how to tie.

*******S! G
--
Warren
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Warren wrote:
wrote...
That's a good picture, next time try to get a picture of the viens
in a
wing, and then go to the website I manage for our flyfishing club.
Roger Rohrbeck has developed an identification scheme that gets you
to
the genus for Washington mayflies, and I think that includes most of
what you can find in Montana too.

You mean like this?
http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/wings.html

You've got a great picture there, but it's hard to separate the viens
in the two wings so I can follow the questions from Roger's pages. The
key is to slip a piece of paper between the wings, or just pull a wing
off the fly and shoot it separately.


www.offc.org is the website. Click on the entomology link, and then
the WA Mayfly identification section. The questions are full of
technical terms, but they are all defined on a page also linked to
on
the entomology page. Roger is still working on this stuff and would
appreciate any comments anyone has on the page.

VERY useful site. The only thing I would suggest is actual pictures
with the descriptions, which I understand is going to be very hard
to do. Perhaps users can submit pics? Running through the Q&A and
then having possibilities is great and the descriptions are great,
but the lack of an actual pic to confirm is kind of a drag.

I couldn't agree with you more. I've been taking pictures of the
mayflies I see on the river and sending them to Roger so he can have
the kind of pictures you're talking about. I'm sure he'd appreciate
pictures from you too.

Thanks,


Chas
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