Rapid River article

Dave LaCourse wrote:

Frank, tell the gnome that smells like a NC ditch

hey now...i've smelled wisconsin ditches, massachussett ditches, maine
ditches, pennsylvania ditches, montana ditches, idaho ditches, south
carolina ditches... and, well, nc ditches don't smell that bad...

jeff (who knows too well the value of faint praise)

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Dave LaCourse wrote:

Frank, tell the gnome that smells like a NC ditch

hey now...i've smelled wisconsin ditches, massachussett ditches, maine
ditches, pennsylvania ditches, montana ditches, idaho ditches, south
carolina ditches... and, well, nc ditches don't smell that bad...

jeff (who knows too well the value of faint praise)

You left out UP ditches.....and as anyone who has been there should know, da
only ditch dat matters is da one yer in.

Wolfgang
um......it works better if you read it aloud.

da yooper ditch...ya dat iz one sweet smellin territory fer sure.
even the flies be smilin at ya...

jeff



Wolfgang wrote:

"Jeff Miller" wrote in message
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Dave LaCourse wrote:


Frank, tell the gnome that smells like a NC ditch

hey now...i've smelled wisconsin ditches, massachussett ditches, maine
ditches, pennsylvania ditches, montana ditches, idaho ditches, south
carolina ditches... and, well, nc ditches don't smell that bad...

jeff (who knows too well the value of faint praise)


You left out UP ditches.....and as anyone who has been there should know, da
only ditch dat matters is da one yer in.

Wolfgang
um......it works better if you read it aloud.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
wayno writes:

i'm sorry, but anyone who has ever caught a smallie the same length as
a trout or landlocked salmon will tell you that he *loves* to catch
smallmouth bass. what's the big deal?

I can't believe you don't know. Bass are a warm water fish and will eat a
fishery to death of all its trout/salman. The Rapid *was* a cold water
fishery
without bass. They were illegally introduced to Umbagog in the mid 80s.
Maine
has a problem with Bubbuhs who think that bass and pike are more important
than
the native fish. Nothing wrong with fishing for bass using any rig you
want,
but there is a problem when you try to protect one of the greatest Brook
Trout
streams in the country and some asshole introduces bass. You have your
unspoiled Hazel. I have my Rapid which is quickly becoming spoiled.
Imagine
bass and pike in Hazel eating all those rainbows and browns. Would you
stand
for it? Fish for the bass instead?
Dave

Why wouldn't coldwater fish in a coldwater environment outcompete warmwater
species? I thought bass simply wouldn't spawn below certain temperatures. (A
friend told me about a tailwater converted to trout habitat by year-round
coldwater release. There, the bass simply disappeared over the course of ten
years or so.

If the water's warm enough for smallmouths to spawn successfully year after
year, the place will have to be dosed with rotenone. There's scads of little
bass wating to grow up per catchable size fish.

"Flying Squirrel" wrote in message
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Why wouldn't coldwater fish in a coldwater environment outcompete
warmwater
species? I thought bass simply wouldn't spawn below certain temperatures.
(A
friend told me about a tailwater converted to trout habitat by year-round
coldwater release. There, the bass simply disappeared over the course of
ten
years or so.

If the water's warm enough for smallmouths to spawn successfully year
after
year, the place will have to be dosed with rotenone. There's scads of
little
bass wating to grow up per catchable size fish.

Never mind the above. Didn't see the exchange above it.

Flying Squirrel writes:

Why wouldn't coldwater fish in a coldwater environment outcompete warmwater
species? I thought bass simply wouldn't spawn below certain temperatures. (A
friend told me about a tailwater converted to trout habitat by year-round
coldwater release. There, the bass simply disappeared over the course of ten
years or so.

You haven't read the entire thread I am guessing. I have stated that the Rapid
is *becoming* a warm water fishery simply because of mis-management of the
water by Florida Power and Light who run the dams. The bass have been in
Umbagog (the warm water lake that the Rapid flows into), but have never been a
problem *because* the Rapid is a cold water stream. Or at least it *was* until
four years ago when FPL started running things. The water flow should be
between 600 - 900 cfs for this time of the year. FPL has been running the flow
at 382 cfs *since May 13*! Although the Rapid is a tailwater, the dam is less
than 30 feet deep, so the water does not get that cold in the summer. There
would be no bass in the river if the dam was run properly. They have records
going back 100 years, but they panic when the lake starts to get anywhere near
full. This year they flushed out 7 feet of lake water in January/February
causing minor floods down-river. By their actions, they are slowly killing the
river. The bass will take over eventually unless the flows are increased.


If the water's warm enough for smallmouths to spawn successfully year after
year, the place will have to be dosed with rotenone. There's scads of little
bass wating to grow up per catchable size fish.

Rotenone? Riiiiiiiiight! Kill of *everything*, including world class
brooktrout that have always been in the river simply to get rid of the bass.
And then what do you do? Stocked fish? Yeah, that's a real great solution.
Again, return the river to its original cold water status and there will be no
bass problem. Of course then some asshole will introduce pike into the system
and they can live in cold water.





Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

FS writes:

"Flying Squirrel" wrote in message
...

Why wouldn't coldwater fish in a coldwater environment outcompete
warmwater
species? I thought bass simply wouldn't spawn below certain temperatures.
(A
friend told me about a tailwater converted to trout habitat by year-round
coldwater release. There, the bass simply disappeared over the course of
ten
years or so.

If the water's warm enough for smallmouths to spawn successfully year
after
year, the place will have to be dosed with rotenone. There's scads of
little
bass wating to grow up per catchable size fish.

Never mind the above. Didn't see the exchange above it.

And I didn't see the above until I answered your "above". d;o)